my new built computer will not boot

[ros]

this is all new parts that i used to build my computer. when i turn the computer on all the lights and fans come on, but nothing shows up on the monitor. but when i connect the monitor to one of my old computers the monitor come on perfectly.

i ask that whoever answer my thread please don't be to technical with the computer lango, because i'm like a new born baby with this computer building and computer tech language. thanks

monitor used (NEC MultiSunc XV15)
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10-Bay XG Sidewinder 2 ATX Mid Tower Case w/450W PS Black
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Lite-On 52x32x52 CDRW & 16x DVD-ROM IDE Drive Black
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Biostar Socket A Motherboard Kit w/XP 2200+ CPU & More!
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512MB DDR RAM PC3200 184-Pin DIMM
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NEC 1.44MB 3.5 Floppy Disk Drive Black
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Western Digital 80GB 7200RPM 2MB SATA/300 3.5 Hard Drive
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ATI RADEON 9200 128MB 8x AGP VCD w/TV-Out DVI
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Two Channel SATA PCI Controller Card
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5x5-inch 120mm Case Fan Black
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Samsung 18x light scribe dual format dvd writerw/Software

[glc]

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Where did you find new parts which are that old? That's close to 10 year old technology.

[ros]

your right i actually brought these parts from geeks.com years ago, then i decided to take on this computer building task now.

[ros]

glc i followed all the instructions, all the fans came on, but nothing appeared on the monitor...question... if my mother board is bad, would my fans be able to come on like there are doing.

[glc]

Please confirm that you are doing this test with the motherboard removed from the case.

[ros]

yes the motherboard removed which i have sitting in the cardboard box while trying to boot up.

this is everything i have connect which is outside of the computer case.

Biostar Socket A Motherboard Kit w/XP 2200+ CPU & More!
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XG450WP Power supply(standard type)
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Two Channel SATA PCI Controller Card
512MB DDR RAM PC3200 184-Pin DIMM
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ATI RADEON 9200 128MB 8x AGP VCD w/TV-Out DVI
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[glc]

Remove the SATA controller card for your out of case build.

What is the exact model of the Biostar motherboard?

[ros]

the box the motherboard came in says K7 but the actual motherboard says M7VIT

[ros]

i removed the SATA controller card, the same thing happen as before...the fans come on, but nothing appear on the monitor.

[glc]

Connect the case speaker to the motherboard header for it - do you get any beeps?

[ros]

no i do not get any beeps

[glc]

No beeps is a bad CPU or motherboard.

[DOS_equis]

I'm not too familiar with this old of AMD tech but does this mobo have a +12 4pin plug on it (or something similar)? If so it might not beep with it unplugged.


DOS_equis

[glc]

I looked up the board, and it does NOT have a P4 connector. It only has a single 20 pin.

[DOS_equis]

Well that's it then. I would recheck the CPU install to see if a pin got snapped off during the install but unfortunately, like GLC said, it sounds like the mobo or CPU is dead. You might be able to find a similar replacement on eBay so you don't have to waste the entire build. As a word or two of advice for next time, please use your parts as soon as you can. You don't want to sit on them for a long time just for this reason.


DOS_equis

[ros]

glc your right the mother board only have a 20 pin connector, but the power supply have a 20 pin plug and a 4 pin plug. could that be part of the problem, because there is no connector to plug in the 4 pin plug?

yea DOS equis your right about your advice, i learned my lesson. now once i remove the cpu to see if a pin got snapped wouldn't i need more of that installation jell to reinstall the cpu.

[glc]

No, the extra 4 pin has nowhere to go, and doesn't need to be used.

Just respread the existing compound. It does not need to be thick, the less the better, just make sure it's even.

[DOS_equis]

Originally Posted by ros glc your right the mother board only have a 20 pin connector, but the power supply have a 20 pin plug and a 4 pin plug. could that be part of the problem, because there is no connector to plug in the 4 pin plug? yea DOS equis your right about your advice, i learned my lesson. now once i remove the cpu to see if a pin got snapped wouldn't i need more of that installation jell to reinstall the cpu.

Yes you would need more CPU thermal paste after cleaning the old stuff off. Once you place the heatsink into the new paste it is not advised to remove and replace it again without reapplying the thermal paste. You could get an air bubble or void in the paste which could cause the CPU to run hot.

Also, after rereading your original post I had a thought, does that vid card need a 4 pin floppy plug hooked to it and did you connect one? Sometimes a card that needs an external power hookup will give a warning about not having it hooked up. If it doesn't do that it might make the system hang and you would have no idea that it is hung up since it won't display anything until you do.


DOS_equis

[ros]

DOS equis no the video card don't need a 4 pin plug, it have 15 prongs and 3 prongs that is exposed, but the actual video card is attached & locked in with the slide lock assembly to the motherboard.

[glc]

Yes you would need more CPU thermal paste after cleaning the old stuff off. Once you place the heatsink into the new paste it is not advised to remove and replace it again without reapplying the thermal paste. You could get an air bubble or void in the paste which could cause the CPU to run hot.

Not really necessary - it hasn't had a chance to get hot yet. In this case, respreading should be fine. If you get air bubbles or voids, you are applying it too thick anyway.

[DOS_equis]

Originally Posted by ros DOS equis no the video card don't need a 4 pin plug, it have 15 prongs and 3 prongs that is exposed, but the actual video card is attached & locked in with the slide lock assembly to the motherboard.

OK I thought it was an off chance that it would have or need external power but I thought I would ask anyway just in case. Did the CPU have any damage? If not then I would guess that the mobo is dead as long as everything you installed is done the way it is outlined in the instruction manual. too bad you don't have any other equipment or parts to test on to see what exactly is bad since we are still guessing at this point. All symptoms are pointing to the mobo but it could be anything really.

I would jump on this auction if you really wanted to salvage your system since we heavily suspect that the mobo is dead:

Biostar M7VIT ver.1.0 athlon xp motherboard | eBay

This guy claims that this is a used pull and that it worked enough for him to load and boot into windows XP. It even comes with a CPU so you would have another one to test with as well. The board is only $20.00 + 12.00 for shipping (to me at least. Shipping might be less or more depending on where you live from him). He also mentioned on the auction page that this board is sensitive to the types of RAM installed. Is the RAM you used for your build on the QVL or the "OK" list from the manufacturer?



glc - Sorry about the misquote on the Thermal paste. I always thought you had to reapply once you landed the heatsink in it and pulled it back up for some reason, fresh or burned in.


DOS_equis

[jdeb]

Originally Posted by DOS_equis OK I thought it was an off chance that it would have or need external power but I thought I would ask anyway just in case. Did the CPU have any damage? If not then I would guess that the mobo is dead as long as everything you installed is done the way it is outlined in the instruction manual. too bad you don't have any other equipment or parts to test on to see what exactly is bad since we are still guessing at this point. All symptoms are pointing to the mobo but it could be anything really. I would jump on this auction if you really wanted to salvage your system since we heavily suspect that the mobo is dead: Biostar M7VIT ver.1.0 athlon xp motherboard | eBay This guy claims that this is a used pull and that it worked enough for him to load and boot into windows XP. It even comes with a CPU so you would have another one to test with as well. The board is only $20.00 + 12.00 for shipping (to me at least. Shipping might be less or more depending on where you live from him). He also mentioned on the auction page that this board is sensitive to the types of RAM installed. Is the RAM you used for your build on the QVL or the "OK" list from the manufacturer? glc - Sorry about the misquote on the Thermal paste. I always thought you had to reapply once you landed the heatsink in it and pulled it back up for some reason, fresh or burned in. DOS_equis

That looks like it would work just fine. He has a pic of it bench tested. Caps looks good from the ones I can see. You could always have the guy send you pics of closeups on all the caps. Look for swelled or bulging caps.

[DOS_equis]

Originally Posted by jdeb That looks like it would work just fine. He has a pic of it bench tested. Caps looks good from the ones I can see. You could always have the guy send you pics of closeups on all the caps.

Yeah the key to buying mobos (and any other PC parts really) from eBay is to make sure the seller is really in the states. There are too many China resellers on eBay dealing in junk now a days and they have caught on to people refusing to buy from China resellers. They will have a US or Canadian based distributor or warehouse to ship out from but the parts will come in EMS labeled boxes or with other markings that show that it came from China. Dead giveaways before purchase are the Chinglish on the auction pages and some of the user names too. They also reuse pictures watermarked with other eBay user names that they are a part of since they usually use more than one seller ID on there.

This guy seems legit but I would have him email you some hi-res pics of the caps like jdeb said before ordering. Good Luck!


DOS_equis

[ros]

dos equis no the cpu don't have damage. you ask me... if my ram is on the qvl or ok list i'm not sure what that is and how to find out?

jdeb caps i'm not sure what that is?

i removed the cpu, all the pins are good than i replaced everything. nothing still don't appear on the monitor when i start my computer which i still have outside of the case.

[jdeb]

Originally Posted by ros dos equis no the cpu don't have damage. you ask me... if my ram is on the qvl or ok list i'm not sure what that is and how to find out? jdeb caps i'm not sure what that is? i removed the cpu, all the pins are good than i replaced everything. nothing still don't appear on the monitor when i start my computer which i still have outside of the case.

You can look at the pics to get the idea.
Badcaps.net - How To Identify

Sounds like the board, since you have no beeps

[DOS_equis]

Originally Posted by ros dos equis no the cpu don't have damage. you ask me... if my ram is on the qvl or ok list i'm not sure what that is and how to find out? jdeb caps i'm not sure what that is? i removed the cpu, all the pins are good than i replaced everything. nothing still don't appear on the monitor when i start my computer which i still have outside of the case.

Well that is good that there is no damage to the CPU. The QVL list is the Qualified Vendor List for a particular component or part of the system. All mobo manufacturers have a list of tested items (mainly the RAM) listed by model number and specs that they used to test the operation of the mobo, and will guaranty to work. The list is sometimes found in the mobo installation book or on the manufacturers site. It is usually labeled as "supported memory" or something similar.

If you want to see pictures of what a bad cap looks like you can Google "bad capacitor pictures" (without quotes) and a whole ton of pictures come up. On boards of this vintage, the voltage regulation capacitors (located around the CPU socket) are the usual suspects. They will either look like they have leaked out fluid, have a bulged or ruptured top, or both. The bad capacitor could be anywhere on the board and may be hard to find since it appears that the capacitor (if there is a bad one) has gone bad while it was packed away. Usually they will fail while you are using it and will have physical damage to go along with it. The electrolyte could have gone bad in one or more of them which might not show up under a visual inspection.

If it were me and I wanted to try and save this system, I would try to get a new mobo from eBay ASAP. This is going to be your only chance to use the rest of the parts you have. Otherwise you would be better off buying more up to date parts and starting over. You would be happier with the system in the long run doing this and chalking it up the old parts you didn't use as a learning experience. We could even help you along with the part selection process if you wanted to go that route. Intel's Sandy Bridge processor seems to be a winner right now and is relatively cheap considering.

To help recoup some of the money you spent on the old tech, you could resell the parts on eBay. There is always someone on there looking for old PC parts to an old, second rig they want to keep alive.


DOS_equis

[ceh4702]

I think the best thing to do is accept the loss and put the parts in the trash bin. There comes a point when old hardware is not worth messing with.

This is my personal opinion. I do not think you would like the results if you even got it to work.

[ros]

jdeb,

i bought another new mobo biostar m7ncd pro and a 128mb sapphire radeon 9000 pro agp8 video card. outside of the case i connect the mobo and the video card together, also i connected the speaker up from the 10-Bay XG Sidewinder 2 ATX Mid Tower Case w/450W PS Black. i heard 1 long beep, it stops than it sound again the same way as long as i keep the mobo on.

i still didn't get anything thing to show up on the monitor.

[jdeb]

Normally with an Award Bios, a repeating long beep is CPU overheat. Make sure the CPU and heatsink are properly attached. I assume you used thermal paste as well. Is the beep the same sound, tone, and length?

How many sticks of ram?

[ros]

i basically spread the thermal paste that was already on the heat sink since glc said i can do so in one of glc's past post. the beep is the same sound and length. i did not install the 1 stick of ram that i have.

to my understanding of glc instructions from a past post, i thought that he wanted me to have a out of case start up with only the mobo, video card, power supply and the case speaker plugged into the mobo.

pardon me jdeb, i meant to reply to glc's post, but you can still continue to help me as well, thank you.