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07-29-2011, 12:50 PM
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New member, New Build
Hey everyone i have a really outdated emachines computer and I think it is time for a new one. I have never built a computer, but I have replace parts in the emachines, so I think I should go for it, I was going to buy a dell and be done with it. So here is what I have come up with so far from Newegg, so maybe you all can guide me from there and tell me what i should add or remove. Thanks everyone for your help and assisatance. I would like to try and keep the cost between 600 and 700. This is for Amd Parts, but i have no problem with intel as well. So tell me what you all think.
ASUS M5A97 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard with UEFI BIOS CORSAIR Builder Series CX430 V2 430W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply AMD Phenom II X4 945 Deneb 3.0GHz Socket AM3 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor HDX945WFGMBOX HANNspree By Hanns-G HF225DPB Black 21.5" Full HD WideScreen LCD Monitor w/Speakers LG CD/DVD Burner Black SATA Model GH22NS70 OEM - OEM Model #:GH22NS70 OEM Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM Model #:GFC-02050 Item #:N82E16832116986 Newegg.com - Computer Parts, PC Components, Laptop Computers, LED LCD TV, Digital Cameras and more! Newegg.com - Computer Parts, PC Components, Laptop Computers, LED LCD TV, Digital Cameras and more! |
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07-29-2011, 01:37 PM
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Hey there and welcome to the boards!
To get the best build for your money, post back as to what exactly the computer will be used for. This will allow us to assemble the best parts list for your within your budget range. Some general tips, though, combo deals should be strayed away from unless they are exactly what you want. Remember, you are sinking a lot of money into something you will be using a lot, don't compromise on quality just to save a few bucks here and there! We do not recommend the G.Skill RAM in your combo deal. Get Crucial/Corsair/Kingston/ADATA. Instead of that Seagate drive, get a Western Digital Caviar Black drive. I would shy away from the CX series of Corsair power supplies, we can recommend a better one once we get a bit more information from you. Hope this helps, Hippo Edit: I also recommend getting an ASUS monitor! Tell us what screen size you would like and we can recommend a good one. Last edited by Hippo08; 07-29-2011 at 01:39 PM. Reason: More Info |
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07-29-2011, 04:28 PM
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Thanks Hippo sorry for the lack of information. This computer is mainly for internet surfing, chatting with friends on webcam, watching videos, and playing some sim games every once in a while. As far as gaming goes, I have a xbox 360 for that. I would like around the same size monitor listed above. Since im not as computer savy as some of the experts here, can you tell me what is wrong with gskill ram. Thanks alot.
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07-29-2011, 11:40 PM
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Well I think why I am deciding on what to build im going to go ahead and order the os system new egg has it for 80 bucks
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07-30-2011, 10:03 AM
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This is great, but I dont know anything about the fm1 processor or how it works. The new processor coming out will be am3+, so how is this for future upgrades. Also the reason why i was going with a system such as posted above, is because i can get the monitor and os also for around 700 dollars. I appreciate all the suggestions, so keep it coming.
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07-30-2011, 10:22 AM
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The new CPU is delayed. Maybe September? If you can afford the new CPU when it comes out, then yes go for the AM3+ board. Maybe Khilil can shed some light on the AM3+ release.
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07-30-2011, 10:44 AM
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Don't really know if I am supposed to this, so delete this if I am not, but you can get free shipping(5-8business days, kind of long) on that case from Amazon. I know it is a hassle to order from more than one place but its always nice to save some money!
Amazon.com: Cooler Master HAF 912 Mid Tower ATX Case (RC-912-KKN1): Electronics And I am a huge fan of those processors, that build looks great. |
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07-30-2011, 11:01 AM
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thanks for the all the ideas, i really appreciate it.
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07-30-2011, 01:12 PM
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If you want to upgrade later to a Bulldozer then stick to the AM3+ you listed initially. I agree with jedeb suggestion about the FM1 but that platform will not be compatible with the bulldozer processors.
Spend $10 extra and get the 955 instead of the 945, big difference in performance. As it sits now, Bulldozer will not be released till Late September and yet again it might be delayed at that point. AMD currently are fast selling everything they make and have a very popular line so AMD does not feel the need to rush a new product out onto the market for it to fail and be recalled. Llano FM1 are selling like hot cakes, I have made them my main display computers and have sold 40 of them since they were released, people love how reasonable the price is for how much processing & performance they are getting! 
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07-30-2011, 03:41 PM
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07-30-2011, 08:56 PM
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wow I love this site, I have tried another site, but no one was willing to offer much advise. Thanks for all the advice, im so impressed, and no you all will be there for me through out the build. So the phenom 955 am3+ or the fm1 A8 Liano. Hmm im stuck now, I have to figure out now which one i want to build.
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07-30-2011, 09:50 PM
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Remember the Llano is in its infancy, from what I understood there will be many more processors to come for the FM1 platform including 8 cores so you won't be stuck if you go with the Llano.
Unless you are fixated on the Bulldozer I would go with the Llano. I am using one right now on my multimedia PC and for fun I loaded Crysis 2 on it to see how it will do and it was awesome with the ATI 6790 Playing on a 60 inch display 
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07-30-2011, 11:57 PM
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Well Im going along with the fm1 and put together something a little difrent. A cheaper case, and cheaper memory for now, as I am dissabled, and this dropped me almost 75 bucks. Also I was looking at some atx motherboards instead, there about the same price. The motherboard that you all chose for me does not have a warranty option which im not to keen on. Tell me what you all think.
LITE-ON DVD Burner - Bulk Black SATA Model iHAS124-04 - OEM Newegg.com - LITE-ON DVD Burner - Bulk 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM Black SATA Model iHAS124-04 - CD / DVD Burners NZXT M59 - 001BK Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case Item #: N82E16811146058 Newegg.com - NZXT M59 - 001BK Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case Western Digital Caviar Blue WD5000AAKX 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive Item #: N82E16822136769 Newegg.com - Western Digital Caviar Blue WD5000AAKX 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive HANNspree By Hanns-G HF225DPB Black 21.5" Full HD WideScreen LCD Monitor w/Speakers Item #: N82E16824262011 Newegg.com - HANNspree By Hanns-G HF225DPB Black 21.5" 5ms Full HD WideScreen LCD Monitor w/Speakers 250 cd/m2 X-Contrast 30,000:1 (1000:1) ASUS F1A75-M PRO FM1 AMD A75 (Hudson D3) SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard with UEFI BIOS Newegg.com - ASUS F1A75-M PRO FM1 AMD A75 (Hudson D3) HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard with UEFI BIOS Antec EarthWatts EA-500D Green 500W ATX12V v2.3 / EPS12V 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply Newegg.com - Antec EarthWatts EA-500D Green 500W ATX12V v2.3 / EPS12V 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply Kingston 4GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1066 (PC3 8500) Desktop Memory Model KVR1066D3N7/4G Item #: N82E16820134927 Newegg.com - Kingston 4GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1066 (PC3 8500) Desktop Memory Model KVR1066D3N7/4G AMD A8-3850 Llano 2.9GHz Socket FM1 100W Quad-Core Desktop APU AD3850WNGXBOX Item #: N82E16819103942 Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM Item #: N82E16832116986 Last edited by brokenwing; 07-31-2011 at 12:02 AM. |
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07-31-2011, 06:11 AM
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Everything you chose will work
I would change the RAM to a little faster speed Kingston ValueRAM 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM Newegg.com - Kingston ValueRAM 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Desktop Memory Model KVR1333D3N9K2/4G The WD Cavair Black is faster and has a 5 year warranty. 32mb cache vs. 16 and 5 year warranty vs. 3. Asus has three year warranty on all their boards along with great customer service. |
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07-31-2011, 09:45 AM
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Ok Jdeb i will change a few of the things back to your suggestions from above. Last but not least, when you order parts from new egg it gives you warranty options. Do i need to pay extra for that if the moterboard comes with a 3 year manufactuer warranty. Sorry if Im driving you nuts, this is the first time im going to build a computer so it is a big step for me, and Im trying to get it all right. Thanks again to you and Kuhalil you all rocks, and hippo cant forget him.
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07-31-2011, 10:01 AM
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The odds of a board going bad after three years versus before three years is slim.
Also, it makes no financial sense to pay up front now for insurance which starts three years from now on what will then be an older depreciated board. You are already getting three years of free insurance on a board which is not nearly as depreciated as a three year old board. The reason retailers push insurance on what they sell is because it has a huge profit margin for them.
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07-31-2011, 10:39 AM
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Well dont go anywhere guys lol! I went ahead and ordered the parts, but stick around in case i need help lol. Thanks again guys for all your help, i greatly appreciate it.
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07-31-2011, 12:50 PM
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Follow this sticky when you build. The original post is a must... "PROBLEMS with a NEW BUILD? Try This!!" by HAL9000. It will save you hours in the event you run into a problem which you probably will not. PROBLEMS with a NEW BUILD? Try This!! |
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08-04-2011, 12:47 AM
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Computer Built few problems
So I have the computer built and love it. Few questions, first my cpu temp was 138 degrees farenheit, is that too hot. Next im trying to install the lasted updates for my asus motherboard, but im not familar with windows 7, and im having a hard time trying to get them installed. Last but not least, on the chasis there is a hd audio cable, or a a7 audio or something like that, right now i have the audio 7 cable hooked up, but let me get back to you on that i dont think im telling you right. I am more concerned with getting this drivers installed. I know there is a newer bios version, and such. thanks everyone.
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Did you do the out of case build in the link I provided? PROBLEMS with a NEW BUILD? Try This!! Last edited by jdeb; 08-04-2011 at 07:18 AM. |
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08-04-2011, 09:42 AM
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Sorry for the last post, i went back and read it, and i see it is really confusing. In the bios my cpu is 138 degrees at idle. I built out of the box first following all suggestions. The cpu and heat sink went on the board great, but it did seem a little hot to me. I downloaded anti virus first, then i did all the windows updates. Im just having a problem gettting the asus drivers to load on windows 7. As far as the audio pin, I have to open the case, so I can explain to you all properly. Thanks Jdeb. I appreciate it.
As far as the drivers i go to the asus website, click on the latest version to download, it opens to a file folder in windows 7 and then it will not let me do anything with it. There is a newer bios version, as well as diffrent updates for the lan and chipsets. Last edited by brokenwing; 08-04-2011 at 10:31 AM. |
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08-04-2011, 11:38 AM
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Is the cpu fan plugged in and spinning?
You can install the ASUS AI Suite off the disk that came with the motherboard. It has Fan Xpert and Probe to adjust fan and check temps and voltages. Install Asus Update from the disc as well, this will automate any update process that you need. |
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08-04-2011, 11:57 AM
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ok jdeb thank for the respons, i just talked to amd, im concerned cause im reaching the upper limts on my cpu for temp, I checked the heat sink, and it is okay. He told me my fan speeds are to low, so let me look for that ai suite on the disk.
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08-04-2011, 12:33 PM
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Okay I downloaded the Asus AI Suite, and it is showing that my cpu is running at 33.0 degrees celcius, and motherboard temp is 32.0 degrees celcius. The AI Suite also flashed the bios to the latest release. My fan speeds on my cpu are at 3082 rpm, Amd Tech Support told me that normally they run around 5000 rpms for fan speed. As Long as my cpu temps stay low im happy, even though the bios shows higher temps then what the AI Suite Shows.
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08-04-2011, 02:46 PM
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33 is good, what does the bios show?
You can use Fan Xpert to control cpu fan speed but I am not sure about 5000, seems a little high to me and maybe loud but you can play around with it. Is the system running smoothly and responsive? Graphics are nice aren't they? |
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08-04-2011, 05:39 PM
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The bios is showing around 48 celcius, and AI suite is showing 30 celcius. When i go to the bios, the temp shows the same as Ai suite, but then it begins to climb. The Computer is running smooth and responsive, I love it. The graphics is great, but i think i have a bad pixel on the monitor I have a green dot on the left side of the screen that will not go away and the sreen is a little blurry, so i think i am going to send it back. Im going to get a diffrent one anyway, cause this one does not have a hdmi output, which was my mistake.
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08-04-2011, 09:12 PM
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Bios will always be more accurate, that is not a bad temp for an APU.
On the rigs I built it was running 40 to 50C which are safe temps. I believe the higher temps are due to the fact they are APUs not CPUs. Glad you are happy with it, those APUs make very good systems for the money. Do you have a rear exhaust fan on that NZXT case? How far is the back of the PC from the wall? Is the PC inside of a cabinet by any chance? |
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08-04-2011, 11:47 PM
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Thanks for the responses. I did flash the board for the latest bios, but i will keep an eye on the temps, and may give asus a call. I called amd, and the tech told me the cpu is okay, until you get into the mid 60s, then your in trouble. He had me reseat the cpu, and he told me it sounds like everything is okay, just give it a little time for the paste to setup. Khalil it is not in a cabinet, I have it pulled away from the wall sitting in the room. Im going to add two more fans, when i get the monitor placed. Overall for my first build Im very happy thus far, I could not of done it without you guys, I mean all the knowledge really helped. Jdeb I could not get the bios to update, then you told me about ai suite, and bam it was done in a matter of no time, so I will keep you all updated and let you know how its going. Now i just have to figure out the monitor.
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