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Need Shuttle like Computer
I know I asked the same question some time back but for budgetary reasons at work I was not able to order one at that time. This time though we have the money.
 I need a Shuttle sized computer to fit inside the cabinet of a boat. Anything even slightly larger will not fit. I have a pretty good idea what I want but I have a few questions. What is the form factor of one of these computers called? It is not a micro ATX is it? I don't have a budget but I also don't want to waste money. The software I will be running is this.... Nobeltec Navigation - Admiral 11 System requirements... Minimum System Requirements I would like to meet somewhat better then their requirements. The images created by the computer will be on two monitors. Here is what I am thinking hardware wise.... Case...no idea. Same size as what a Shuttle uses. Motherboard, no idea. Optical drive, I do not know what will fit this form factor. Power supply, no idea. I do not know what power supplies work for this form factor and I do not know which graphics card to get. The most powerful PSU Shuttle seems to sell is a 500 watts. Obviously I can't get a card that draws more power than what the PSU is capable of providing. RAM, 8 gigs, Corsair 1600, 1.5 volt if this will run on the motherboard. CPU, i-5 or an i-7 Hard drive, 1Tb WD Black, 64mb cache. Yes, I am willing to pay the price. Needs to have wireless networking capability and of course an ethernet port. Windows7 Home Premium 64 bit OEM. The reason I am not buying a Shuttle is that I priced out the equivalent build on their website and it came out to $1500. 
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12-01-2011, 06:16 PM
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If the case size you need is like this: Newegg.com - Thermaltake Black SECC Japanese steel LANBOX Lite VF6000BNS Micro ATX Media Center / HTPC Case
then it takes standard PSU/uATX mobo/drives/etc.
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David, please post the measurements of the space this thing has to fit in again.
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12-02-2011, 12:43 AM
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Frys used to have the equivalent cases, not certain that they still do. Think they took ATX boards.
IIRC they were sized to fit under airline seats. |
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12-02-2011, 06:32 AM
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The form factor is referred to as ITX or mini-ITX. Fry's carries a whole selection of cases, PSUs and motherboards. Take a look here: Fry's ITX items
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You know the rest David. You can use the Sandybridge with the stock graphics according to the specs.
Newegg.com - SILVERSTONE Sugo SG05-B Black SECC / Plastic Mini-ITX Desktop Computer Case SFX 300W 80Plus Power Supply Newegg.com - ASUS P8H61-I (REV 3.0) LGA 1155 Intel H61 HDMI USB 3.0 Mini ITX Intel Motherboard Standard DVD size |
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12-02-2011, 12:02 PM
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If you are going to use the Intel graphics, get a CPU with the 3000 graphics instead of the 2000 graphics - I'd probably use a i5-2500K unless you think a dual core would be enough. The 3000 graphics is dual display capable as long as the motherboard has the jacks - the suggested board does, it has one each VGA, DVI, and HDMI, you can use any 2 but not all 3.
The mini-ITX is the way to go - the only issue is going to be exactly which mini-ITX case will fit where you need it. If you find one without a PSU or a crappy PSU, if it will take a standard TFX PSU, I highly recommend this one: Newegg.com - SeaSonic SS-300TFX Bronze 300W TFX12V v2.3 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply - Power Supplies EDIT: I just looked at that Silverstone case that jdeb recommended - that would be an EXCELLENT choice if it fits. The 300w PSU is a dual rail FSP, very good quality. If needed, it will fit a standard video card. Last edited by glc; 12-02-2011 at 12:07 PM. |
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12-02-2011, 08:29 PM
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So far what I have for parts... PSU, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...D=kwj91u17iln0 Does Seasonic have a 500 watt PSU? I still don't know about having a 300 watt PSU. My concern is I will end up with an under powered graphics card. But the only 500 watt ITX PSU that I know of is sold by Shuttle. Has anyone found any? Mobo, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...=1kh4mzl7hcrx6 CPU, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115073 RAM, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820233192 Hard drive, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822136533 Will 3.5 inch drives work in mini-ITX cases or do they require laptop drives? Case, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...=123w4p439ymw1 Really nice case. They did not say which dimensions are the height, width and depth but it looks like the 6.93 inch dimension is the height? Does it look that way to you? Graphics card, undecided. Depends on PSU. Optical drive, undecided. What sized optical drive will fit in mini-ITX cases? Wireless, undecided. I need some sort of way of receiving wireless. Last edited by David M; 12-02-2011 at 09:30 PM. |
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12-02-2011, 09:59 PM
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The power supply in that case is top quality, no need to replace if you are sticking with the Intel graphics. You want the K -series HD 3000 CPU. If you are going with a discrete card, you may need to replace power supply but the CPU you chose is fine.
Here is a good one if you decide on a more powerful dsicrete card Newegg.com - SILVERSTONE ST45SF 450W SFX12V 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply That case takes the standard 5.25 dvd drive Here is a detailed spec on the case, it even tells you what graphic cards fit SilverStone Technology Co., Ltd.- SG05 dimensions 222 mm (W) x 176 mm (H) x 276 mm (D) Wireless is going to have to be a USB if you decide on a discrete card. Or you may have to go with a Zotac motherboard. Last edited by jdeb; 12-02-2011 at 10:08 PM. |
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12-02-2011, 11:57 PM
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David, you aren't building a gaming computer! If the Intel 3000 graphics aren't good enough (I don't see why they wouldn't be, it's as good as a $70 video card) there are PLENTY of video cards out there that will be fine with that 300 watt power supply. The FSP unit in that case has a total of 22 amps on the dual +12v rails, that can support a pretty healthy card.
Get the low profile Vengeance ram. If you don't use a video card, you can put a PCI-E wireless adapter into the video card slot. Newegg.com - ASUS PCE-N15 Wireless Adapter IEEE 802.11b/g/n PCI Express 300/300Mbps Transfer/Receive Rate 64-bit WEP, 128-bit WEP, WPA2-PSK, WPA-PSK, WPS support The case has one internal 3.5" bay and one 2.5" bay. How much space is Windows and your software going to take up? I'd be very tempted to put a SSD in it instead of a hard drive. If not, do you have any spare standard hard drives you aren't using? I'd sure do that before I spent $240 on a hard drive. I know you said you want to build better than minimums, but there's also no need to overkill it either. You can ALWAYS do incremental upgrades when/if needed. |
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12-05-2011, 09:31 AM
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Absolutely, this computer is not for gaming. It is for work only.
The software I am loading for most of the time will be showing relatively static raster scan and vector charts. It also shows images in three dimensions where the camera angle moves, similar to what a video game does. I also have a second software package that I will be installing that does something similar whenever it is booted up. This is where my concern comes from, that onboard graphics processing may not be good enough. I really don't know until I build the computer and use the software. The images generated by the software will be generated on two 1028x756 monitors at the boats steering console and displayed at the science bench. So I am looking for suggestions for a graphics card that will work with the Seasonic 300 watt PSU, given this seems to be the best PSU for the mini-ITX form factor available). If it turns out to be slight overkill (more than a 60 FPS refresh rate when generating the 3D images on two monitors) then at least cost wise I will not have gone too far overkill. The 1TB hard drive is because the software includes raster scan and vector chart packages for all of the West Coast. This is why the Nobeltec software is requiring a 500 gig drive. The second software package will be used to run about 250 gigs of hydrographic information. Updated parts list... PSU... SeaSonic SS-300TFX Bronze 300W TFX12V v2.3 80 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...D=kwj91u17iln0 Mobo.. ASUS P8H61-I (REV 3.0) LGA 1155 Intel H61 HDMI USB 3.0 Mini ITX Intel Motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...=1kh4mzl7hcrx6 CPU.. Intel Core i5-2500 Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...D=2kxjeskpgip8 HD... Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...D=tmayfnoni8kv Case... SILVERSTONE Sugo SG05-B Black SECC / Plastic Mini-ITX Desktop Computer Case SFX 300W 80Plus Power Supply http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...=123w4p439ymw1 OS... Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 64-bit - OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...=1ck0jejrf4rt1 RAM... CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CML8GX3M2A1600C9W (glc, please check this 1.3v low profile Vengeance RAM)..it was less expensive than the low profile 1.5v Vengeance RAM. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820233199 Optical drive... ASUS 24X DVD Burner http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827135204 Graphics Card... Looking for ideas. Last edited by David M; 12-05-2011 at 10:03 AM. |
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12-05-2011, 09:57 AM
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That's a link to the Seasonic power supply.
The Silverstone case is not TFX, it's SFX - and the included 300 watt PSU is a FSP, not a Seasonic. It can handle this card: Newegg.com - EVGA 01G-P3-1441-KR GeForce GT 440 1024MB (Fermi) DUAL DVI PCI Express 2.0 x16 Video Card If you aren't going to use onboard video, there's no need to get a "K" series CPU. In fact, I'd go with a low power i5: Newegg.com - Intel Core i5-2400S Sandy Bridge 2.5GHz (3.3GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 65W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 2000 BX80623I52400S USB wireless adapter with excellent reviews: Newegg.com - TP-LINK TL-WN722N Wireless Adapter High Gain IEEE 802.11b/g/n USB 2.0 Up to 150Mbps Wireless Data Rates Support 64/128 bit WEP, WPA-PSK/WPA2-PSK, Wireless MAC Filtering Last edited by glc; 12-05-2011 at 10:00 AM. |
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Is the SFX Silverstone case compatible with the motherboard and the Seasonic PSU?, given they are different form factors?
I don't mind removing the PSU that comes with the case and installing the higher quality 300 watt Seasonic PSU. Reliability is extremely important for this computer. For some cruises it will be mission critical. With a Seasonic PSU in the Silverstone case, would I be able to safely bump up the power of the graphics card a little? Changing the CPU to your recommendation.... Intel Core i5-2400S Sandy Bridge 2.5GHz (3.3GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 65W Newegg.com - Intel Core i5-2400S Sandy Bridge 2.5GHz (3.3GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 65W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 2000 BX80623I52400S Graphics card, your recommendation... EVGA 01G-P3-1441-KR GeForce GT 440 1024MB (Fermi) DUAL DVI PCI Express 2.0 x16 Video Card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...=1m5xsd6jkmqx0 Is the RAM I chose okay? I was thinking about it and I am going to connect to the boats computer network with an ethernet cable...more reliable and more secure. Last edited by David M; 12-05-2011 at 10:31 AM. |
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12-05-2011, 11:05 AM
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No, that Seasonic PSU will NOT fit in the Silverstone case. TFX and SFX are totally different form factors.
Trust me - I did quite a bit of research for you, and the FSP power supply in the Silverstone case is a quality unit, and it WILL power a system with that GT440 reliably. I would only get the 1.35 volt ram if it's on the Asus QVL. Actually, the 1.5 volt ram is 10 bucks cheaper after the rebate. With the H61 chipset, don't expect to run it any faster than 1333 anyway. With that in mind, you might as well get 1333 ram. Newegg.com - Kingston HyperX Blu 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 Desktop Memory Model KHX1333C9D3B1K2/8G |
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I agree, the stock PS will be fine with that card if you decide. That is good memory as well. I only recommended that other Silverstone PS in the event you were going with a higher end card, which you do not need. I still think your fine with the Intel 3000 graphics.
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12-05-2011, 03:54 PM
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Well - the GT440 does have dual DVI and it may be stronger than the 3000 graphics. If you want a low power CPU with the 3000 graphics, get the i5-2405S.
Newegg.com - Intel Core i5-2405S Sandy Bridge 2.5GHz (3.3GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 65W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 3000 BX80623I52405S What would I do? I'd get the 2405S and try it. You can always add the GT440 card later if you aren't happy. Then again, if both your monitors are DVI, I'd get the card and the 2400S. |
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12-05-2011, 05:47 PM
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Thanks everyone for your help and especially glc for spending the time doing the research.
So before I pull the trigger, here is my updated parts list.... Mobo.. ASUS P8H61-I (REV 3.0) LGA 1155 Intel H61 HDMI USB 3.0 Mini ITX Intel Motherboard Newegg.com - ASUS P8H61-I (REV 3.0) LGA 1155 Intel H61 HDMI USB 3.0 Mini ITX Intel Motherboard CPU.. Intel Core i5-2500 Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 Newegg.com - Intel Core i5-2500 Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 2000 BX80623I52500 HD... Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Newegg.com - Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive Case and PSU... SILVERSTONE Sugo SG05-B Black SECC / Plastic Mini-ITX Desktop Computer Case SFX 300W 80Plus Power Supply Newegg.com - SILVERSTONE Sugo SG05-B Black SECC / Plastic Mini-ITX Desktop Computer Case SFX 300W 80Plus Power Supply OS... Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 64-bit - OEM Newegg.com - Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 64-bit - Operating Systems RAM... Newegg.com - Kingston HyperX Blu 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 Desktop Memory Model KHX1333C9D3B1K2/8G Optical drive... ASUS 24X DVD Burner Newegg.com - ASUS 24X DVD Burner - Bulk 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM Black SATA Model DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS - CD / DVD Burners Graphics Card... EVGA 01G-P3-1441-KR GeForce GT 440 1024MB (Fermi) DUAL DVI PCI Express 2.0 x16 Video Card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...=1ns9x5mzxd0cj I decided to go with this card because of the dual monitors. Total: $910. This is much better than what Shuttle wanted at around $1500 and with better parts as well. Am I good to go? Last edited by David M; 12-05-2011 at 05:57 PM. |
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I'd get the 2400S instead of the 2500. You won't notice the speed difference with what you are doing and it will run a lot cooler.
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12-06-2011, 10:19 AM
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Will do.
Intel Core i5-2400S Sandy Bridge 2.5GHz (3.3GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 65W Quad-Core Desktop Processor http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...5075&Tpk=2400s |
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Now - have you checked Amazon for those components to help you save tax? Or is Amazon taxing in CA now?
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People might not like this, but I'd just as soon Amazon and other online retailers tax. I know it is selfish in some ways, but since I end up having to keep records and figure out all of my online purchases (no small feat) for the year (use tax), just paying as I went along would make my life a lot easier.
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You are one of the few people who actually keep track and pay your use tax.
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You are right that most don't. Some have no idea they are supposed to and others figure let them try to catch them. I don't recall seeing it on 1985 taxes (when I started paying taxes), but it seems like a year or two later it materialized. The funny thing is, not too many years after that, there was an editorial in the local newspaper about getting a letter in the mail (I think this was in the summertime) saying that the editor was on the list of people who the state suspected had made out of state purchases, but had not turned any in. They explained what it was and basically told him "we will not fine you, we just want our money". He called and asked a bunch of questions. He asked if he bought stuff out of state and brought it into state, would he owe taxes? They said if that state's tax rate was the same or higher, no. He asked would he owe money if he went to Kentucky (I think) buying a can of pop and candy bar and crossing state lines before consuming them if their tax rate was less. They said technically he would. He was hopping mad. Prior to that he asked about magazine subscriptions and such and they said yes. He might have asked if he paid more sales taxes over state line and brought it back, could he credit that. They said no. (Or maybe in that case that is something I presumed would be answered that way if asked).Quote:
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You are way too honest Terry. My wife has never heard anyone receiving a letter from their state or having this as part of an audit.
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), but because of all the work and hassle it puts on me. I suppose if I were more disciplined than I am, I would keep track as I go along, but so far I am not. As far as paying it, I don't agree, but do it due to my beliefs. I had typed up a more detailed explanation, but figure that might be more appropriate for the Watering Hole. |
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This morning I started building the computer and noticed the optical drive I need is a different form factor than the optical drive I ordered.
The optical drive I need is flatter. It is closer to what is found in a laptop. So my question is, how many other form factors are there for optical drives? Which form factor do I need for this case? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...=123w4p439ymw1 If someone can get me a Fry's link with a SKU number in the link for an optical drive that would work this would be most appreciated. I would be able to call the store and see if they have one in stock. Microcenter would be an alternative. Thanks Last edited by David M; 01-04-2012 at 12:05 PM. |
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Man I am sorry but I missed that some time ago.
FRYS.com*|*SILVERSTONE make sure it has the power adapter cable. At that price it better. It does show it as coming with one Microcenter http://www.microcenter.com/single_pr...uct_id=0375283 adapter http://www.microcenter.com/single_pr...uct_id=0221467 Last edited by jdeb; 01-04-2012 at 12:54 PM. |
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