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05-27-2012, 07:52 PM
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First time Builder 600-800 budget
Hello everyone,
I am looking to build my first gaming PC. I play games like WOW, LOL, D3, Dota2 and would like my computer to be future ready. I have been playing for many years now on PC's that barely met the game requirements and am now gaming on a MAC. I am becoming more involved and the lag is just too much and makes the experience not as pleasant. I am looking to upgrade to a new PC specifically for gaming. I would also surf the web, add itunes, and use it for word documents and maybe editing of some sorts, but the main use is for gaming. I've been researching for a few weeks now and trying to get more comfortable with the components but don't feel comfortable enough to chose parts yet because I see people making mistakes and spending money where they shouldn't or buying expensive parts when cheaper ones would be better. I'm also fearful of making mistakes like I have in the past of buying parts that aren't compatible. So I'm here looking for advice from those that know. If you are interested in helping that would be great. Any advice, or if anyone has a build that they'd like to share, that would be great. I don't need a mouse, keyboard, speakers or monitor. I have all of those and will probably upgrade later but I'd like to use my funds for the actually computer for now. Trying to stay around the $800 dollar range but am willing to come up with more if desperately needed. Also don't care where I buy the parts from, but I have a Amazon gift card for $150 so I'd like to use that. |
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05-27-2012, 09:07 PM
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Awesome! Fits into my budget great and very quick reply. Thanks so much.
I did have a question about the cpu though. What is the difference between the Quad-Core and i5 and i7? I see a lot of people striving for i5 and especially i7. I was also talking to someone about this. I'm kind of new with this but I think he said he had a Quad-Core (he built his comp 3-5yrs ago) and was getting ready to upgrade to i7 or something. Does that mean its already getting old? Or are they just making newer updated versions? Sorry if that is a dumb question. I am just trying to learn how to interpret what feels like a new language. Update: So I guess the Quad-Core is AMD. And i5 and i7 is Intel. I'm hearing a lot that intel is better. Is there something that makes it outshine AMD? Last edited by Coni21; 05-27-2012 at 09:12 PM. Reason: Updated Question |
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05-27-2012, 09:08 PM
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I'd get a DVD burner instead of just a rom drive.
Newegg.com - ASUS 24X DVD Burner - Bulk 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM Black SATA Model DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS - CD / DVD Burners If you have another 100 bucks or so to spend, here's an Intel alternative: Newegg.com - ASUS P8Z77-V LK LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS Newegg.com - Intel Core i5-3550 Ivy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 2500 BX80637I53550 Last edited by glc; 05-27-2012 at 09:11 PM. |
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05-27-2012, 09:17 PM
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05-27-2012, 10:10 PM
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The burner will burn and play CD's and DVD's.
Article for you to read: Best Gaming CPUs For The Money: May 2012 : Best Gaming CPUs For The Money, May Updates |
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05-27-2012, 10:30 PM
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Great info on that link. Thank you so much. I've also been researching it myself since I posted the question. I really think a lot of why Intel has a better name is mostly hype based more on branding than performance.
What I'm finding is that when comparing AMD/Intel, the Intel performs a little better, but AMD is more reasonably priced with still sufficient performance. Again, thanks for all your help. |
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05-27-2012, 10:52 PM
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That is weird, I have no idea how I copied that DVD ROM drive. Sorry about that.
Yes, the Intel IVY Bridge is a much better CPU but given your budget, I opted for a capable CPU and gave you a real strong gaming card. You would need around 100.00 more on your budget to go with the Intel IVY Bridge. i7 are better for video editing, rendering, and high end applications. Just replace the CPU with this Intel Core i5-3450 Ivy Bridge 3.1GHz http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116506 Replace the board with this. There are a few better boards but this is a great board on a budget BIOSTAR TZ77B LGA 1155 Intel Z77 Newegg.com - BIOSTAR TZ77B LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS Last edited by jdeb; 05-27-2012 at 10:55 PM. |
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05-28-2012, 08:48 AM
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Well seeing as I still gotta put that 100 towards Windows 7 I probably will go with what you gave me up top. I have been trying to do some research and I haven't really found my answer yet. But the Intel's have Quad core with multiple threads. Does the AMD have that as well? It isn't specified. For example the i5 have 4 cores and 4 threads.
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05-28-2012, 09:42 AM
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The AMD FX4100 has 4 cores and four threads (it actually has 8 cores but 4 of them have been disabled). Not sure if future motherboards will be able to unlock them and my guess is no. Anyway, it has a base clock of 3.6GHz, a CPU Turbo Core clock of 3.7GHz and a CPU Max Turbo clock of 3.8GHz. Depending on the number of threads and the temperature state of the processor, the clock frequency will adjust to better handle the tasks you are asking it to do. The FX-4100 is able to run up to 3.8GHz when 1-2 threads are being used, but only up to 3.7GHz if 3-4 threads are being used. When running a single threaded application the AMD FX-4100 can jump up to the rated clock frequency of 3.8GHz and it will not go any higher than this as this is the fastest the processor will do out of the box without manually overclocking it. The AMD FX-4100 is a fully unlocked processor, so you can easily overclock it.
The IVY Bridge i5 CPU are 4 core and 4 thread as well. The 8 thread CPU's are the i7 IVY Bridge. In terms of out of the box performance, IVY bridge blows away the FX4100 in benchmarks but in terms of value, the FX4100 is hard to beat at half the price. Given your budget and intended use, the FX4100 is actually made for you. That is what I like about them, they fit that niche market that will bring a build down 100.00 to 150.00 while maintaining admirable performance. When paired with and AMD GPU /series 9 chipset motherboard, you get stunning AMD “Scorpius” platform graphic performance. Often overlooked. |
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05-28-2012, 10:37 AM
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Okay, that is pretty much what I needed to hear. I will probably buy these parts in the next couple of days then.
I doubt I will be overclocking it. It doesn't sound like it will need to be right now, and I am not super comfortable with doing so anyway. Maybe in the future if it ever becomes needed, I can get some advice on how to properly do it. |
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05-28-2012, 11:15 AM
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These days, mild overclocking is a no brainer. With enthusiast boards the built in software makes it automated and pretty safe. The software is pretty conservative not allowing you to take the overclock to an extreme. You can always do it manually as well and push your hardware to the edge which takes some experimentation and knowledge...and increases the chance of damaging your hardware or shortening its life.
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05-28-2012, 01:09 PM
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Well, If there is software that automates it for me, I might give it a try. Do you think I will need to buy some extra fans or should the fans that come with the case be able to do the job?
I also should have mentioned this in my original post but I would prefer a case that had green on it or green lights or something. I found a few on Newegg but reviews were saying that they were small and hard to work with. Are all cases usually compatible or do I need to be looking for specific cases compatible with my build? |
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05-28-2012, 03:43 PM
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Any standard ATX case will be compatible. You want green?
Newegg.com - APEVIA X-CRUISER2-GN Green SECC Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case |
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06-07-2012, 04:11 PM
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Hey, I just wanted to thank everyone for their help. I bought all the parts and installed everything but I don't know what to do now.
I know I'm supposed to run the BIOS but it didn't ask me to when I started the computer up. I inserted the CD that came with my motherboard to see if that prompted it but nothing is happening. Everything is running but my monitor is not getting a signal. |
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06-07-2012, 07:06 PM
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You have to install your operating system first. That CD just contains drivers and software for your motherboard. If your monitor has no response you probably haven't connected the video card properly.
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06-08-2012, 03:38 AM
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06-08-2012, 01:33 PM
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Sorry, It was just a fail on my part because I forgot to plug both ports of the motherboard into the power supply. I have gotten to the BIOS but now I can't install windows 7 because I am getting a message "No signed device drivers were found. Make sure that the installation media contains the correct drivers, and then click OK."
I have been told my hdd doesn't have the drivers but it didn't come with an installation disk. |
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06-08-2012, 02:12 PM
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You should just have to pop your OS disc into the optical drive and it will run the set-up automatically when your optical drive is placed first in the boot order.
That's probably what you haven't done. When in the BIOS make sure the DVD drive has priority over the HDD. |
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06-09-2012, 04:16 PM
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Yeah thanks for your help. I got it. Everything is running great! My hdd wasn't formatted yet. A lot of people were saying to put it into an already running computer but I didn't have that option. Luckily I found a site telling me how to open up the command prompts and what commands to run to format the drive without having to do all of that.
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