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bigandy · 07-20-2004, 02:55 PM

Both of those boards support Hyper-Threaded CPU's.

speeddude2000 · 07-20-2004, 02:56 PM

a note on the video card, best buy is having a sale on Radeon 9800Pros from the original ATi manufacturer. its only $179.99 so u might wanna check that out. but make sure its 256bit memory.

hyg71886 · 07-20-2004, 04:00 PM

I use my computer for music and movies to so I'm going with the 120GB HD, that second mother board, but how much memory do I need and whats go ones?

bigandy · 07-20-2004, 04:03 PM

I would go with no less than 512, but get a gig if you can afford it. Try to get two sticks of the same memory so that you can run in dual channel mode, which will give you a performance boost. Corsair, Crucial, Geil, Kingston, and Mushkin are all good brands.

hyg71886 · 07-20-2004, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by speeddude2000

a note on the video card, best buy is having a sale on Radeon 9800Pros from the original ATi manufacturer. its only $179.99 so u might wanna check that out. but make sure its 256bit memory.

Is that gonna be able to run my games, like doom 3, and movies fast?

kram 2.0 · 07-20-2004, 04:05 PM

Both boards support Hyper Threading. The only difference as far as I can think that matters is that the P4C800-E Deluxe uses i875 chipset with PAT enabled, whille P4P800-E Deluxe uses the i865PE chipset - still a minor difference.

kram

kram 2.0 · 07-20-2004, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by speeddude2000

a note on the video card, best buy is having a sale on Radeon 9800Pros from the original ATi manufacturer. its only $179.99 so u might wanna check that out. but make sure its 256bit memory.

All ATI Radeon 9800 Pros are 256-bit - no fear there.

kram

Cricket · 07-20-2004, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prometheus

Is that gonna be able to run my games, like doom 3, and movies fast?

Yes, the 9800 Pro is an excellent video card and it'll handle the latest games easily...and it plays movies very well too.

Cricket

bigandy · 07-20-2004, 04:07 PM

The 9800 Pro should be able to do those things quite well. If you don't mind spending $400+, the x800 or 6800 would be good choices as well

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hyg71886 · 07-20-2004, 04:15 PM

Are these good and will they work with the mother board?
Memory

hyg71886 · 07-20-2004, 04:17 PM

And what about a sound card? I need a 5.1 supporter because I what too be in the game and I'll be using it for a stereo because after this build my funds are done.

bigandy · 07-20-2004, 04:19 PM

KVR is fine, but you want PC3200, or faster if you're going to overclock.

You don't need a sound card, but I find that the audio quality is much better with one. The Audigy 2 cards are great. I have one in my system.

hyg71886 · 07-20-2004, 04:24 PM

So I'm fine with that as long as I dont overclock?

kram 2.0 · 07-20-2004, 04:25 PM

Yes.

kram

bigandy · 07-20-2004, 04:28 PM

The RAM you linked to is PC2700. If you use that, you will not be using your system to it's full potential. Get PC3200.

I didn't really express myself well in my previous post, KVR is okay to overclock with, as Tin Canary showed us with a little "experiment" he did and pushed some KVR pretty hard. But in general, if you want to overclock a P4C, you're going to want PC3500 (or faster), and some "overclocking" RAM like Corsair XMS or Kingston HyperX.

hyg71886 · 07-20-2004, 04:37 PM

Is this sound card good and will it work with the mother board?
Creative Labs Audigy 2Z5

bigandy · 07-20-2004, 04:39 PM

Yes and yes. Excellent choice.

hyg71886 · 07-20-2004, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigandy

The RAM you linked to is PC2700. If you use that, you will not be using your system to it's full potential. Get PC3200.

I didn't really express myself well in my previous post, KVR is okay to overclock with, as Tin Canary showed us with a little "experiment" he did and pushed some KVR pretty hard. But in general, if you want to overclock a P4C, you're going to want PC3500 (or faster), and some "overclocking" RAM like Corsair XMS or Kingston HyperX.

What do you mean? and if true are these good?
Memory

hyg71886 · 07-20-2004, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by speeddude2000

a note on the video card, best buy is having a sale on Radeon 9800Pros from the original ATi manufacturer. its only $179.99 so u might wanna check that out. but make sure its 256bit memory.

could you give me the link?

bigandy · 07-20-2004, 05:00 PM

Yes that RAM is good too.

PC2700 runs at 333MHz, which is really 2x166 (because it is DDR RAM). PC3200 runs at 400MHz or 2x200. Your CPU's FSB runs at 800MHz, which is really 4x200, because the P4's are quad-pumped. So, if you run PC2700 RAM in the system with a P4C, the CPU's FSB will be set at 166 in the BIOS to match the RAM. This is not taking full advantage of your system. If you use PC3200, you set the FSB to 200, to match the RAM, and you have your RAM running at it's full 400MHz, and your FSB running at it's full 800MHz.

hyg71886 · 07-20-2004, 05:04 PM

cool, thanks.
Someone mentioned an ATI Radeon 9800 PRO for 179.99 but I went to the sight and it was on sale for 229.99 at bestbuy.com.
Graphics card

Is this the same exact card? If not which is better?
Graphics Card

hyg71886 · 07-20-2004, 05:13 PM

Are these speakers good?
Logetch

hyg71886 · 07-20-2004, 05:18 PM

Is this HD better then the Maxtor one I said earlier?
Hard Drive

kram 2.0 · 07-20-2004, 05:24 PM

Hard Drive, yes - better seak time. Speakers, yes - have them hooked up right here and working like a charm

. Graphics card, yes - but you could get the Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro for 198 USD...pretty much the same thing. The best buy one should be on sale...wonder why it saids 229.99 USD, since its retail is originally 249.99 USD...

Hope that helps,
kram

hyg71886 · 07-20-2004, 05:29 PM

Is that card you mentioned better? And if so where at?

hyg71886 · 07-20-2004, 05:41 PM

do you think I'd be ok backing my system and files up on a cd or is it better to have a zip drive?

D-RobotWillNeverDie · 07-20-2004, 05:44 PM

Thats cool that all you guys are helping this guy. Just thought i'de say that

hyg71886 · 07-20-2004, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D-RobotWillNeverDie

Thats cool that all you guys are helping this guy. Just thought i'de say that

HEll YES! THANKS

kram 2.0 · 07-20-2004, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prometheus

Is that card you mentioned better? And if so where at?

Sorry about that - I usually provide a link to these products, but seems like i was having some time crunches lately. The Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB 256-bit is 197.95 USD with shipping included - bear in mind it is an OEM card, but that shouldn't be any problem.

Hope that helps,
kram

speeddude2000 · 07-20-2004, 09:24 PM

wait. that link that u had is the right one...notice theres a $50 rebate. so 229-50=179

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07-20-2004, 02:55 PM	#31
bigandy Folding For PCMech Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Dimas, CA Posts: 3,136	Both of those boards support Hyper-Threaded CPU's.

07-20-2004, 04:00 PM	#33
hyg71886 Member (11 bit) Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,151	I use my computer for music and movies to so I'm going with the 120GB HD, that second mother board, but how much memory do I need and whats go ones?

07-20-2004, 04:03 PM	#34
bigandy Folding For PCMech Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Dimas, CA Posts: 3,136	I would go with no less than 512, but get a gig if you can afford it. Try to get two sticks of the same memory so that you can run in dual channel mode, which will give you a performance boost. Corsair, Crucial, Geil, Kingston, and Mushkin are all good brands.

07-20-2004, 04:07 PM	#39
bigandy Folding For PCMech Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Dimas, CA Posts: 3,136	The 9800 Pro should be able to do those things quite well. If you don't mind spending $400+, the x800 or 6800 would be good choices as well .

07-20-2004, 04:15 PM	#40
hyg71886 Member (11 bit) Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,151	Are these good and will they work with the mother board? Memory

07-20-2004, 04:17 PM	#41
hyg71886 Member (11 bit) Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,151	And what about a sound card? I need a 5.1 supporter because I what too be in the game and I'll be using it for a stereo because after this build my funds are done.

07-20-2004, 04:19 PM	#42
bigandy Folding For PCMech Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Dimas, CA Posts: 3,136	KVR is fine, but you want PC3200, or faster if you're going to overclock. You don't need a sound card, but I find that the audio quality is much better with one. The Audigy 2 cards are great. I have one in my system.

07-20-2004, 04:24 PM	#43
hyg71886 Member (11 bit) Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,151	So I'm fine with that as long as I dont overclock?

07-20-2004, 04:25 PM	#44
kram 2.0 Member (13 bit) Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 7,835	Yes. kram

07-20-2004, 04:28 PM	#45
bigandy Folding For PCMech Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Dimas, CA Posts: 3,136	The RAM you linked to is PC2700. If you use that, you will not be using your system to it's full potential. Get PC3200. I didn't really express myself well in my previous post, KVR is okay to overclock with, as Tin Canary showed us with a little "experiment" he did and pushed some KVR pretty hard. But in general, if you want to overclock a P4C, you're going to want PC3500 (or faster), and some "overclocking" RAM like Corsair XMS or Kingston HyperX.

07-20-2004, 04:37 PM	#46
hyg71886 Member (11 bit) Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,151	Is this sound card good and will it work with the mother board? Creative Labs Audigy 2Z5

07-20-2004, 04:39 PM	#47
bigandy Folding For PCMech Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Dimas, CA Posts: 3,136	Yes and yes. Excellent choice.

07-20-2004, 05:00 PM	#50
bigandy Folding For PCMech Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Dimas, CA Posts: 3,136	Yes that RAM is good too. PC2700 runs at 333MHz, which is really 2x166 (because it is DDR RAM). PC3200 runs at 400MHz or 2x200. Your CPU's FSB runs at 800MHz, which is really 4x200, because the P4's are quad-pumped. So, if you run PC2700 RAM in the system with a P4C, the CPU's FSB will be set at 166 in the BIOS to match the RAM. This is not taking full advantage of your system. If you use PC3200, you set the FSB to 200, to match the RAM, and you have your RAM running at it's full 400MHz, and your FSB running at it's full 800MHz.

07-20-2004, 05:04 PM	#51
hyg71886 Member (11 bit) Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,151	cool, thanks. Someone mentioned an ATI Radeon 9800 PRO for 179.99 but I went to the sight and it was on sale for 229.99 at bestbuy.com. Graphics card Is this the same exact card? If not which is better? Graphics Card

07-20-2004, 05:13 PM	#52
hyg71886 Member (11 bit) Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,151	Are these speakers good? Logetch

07-20-2004, 05:18 PM	#53
hyg71886 Member (11 bit) Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,151	Is this HD better then the Maxtor one I said earlier? Hard Drive

07-20-2004, 05:24 PM	#54
kram 2.0 Member (13 bit) Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 7,835	Hard Drive, yes - better seak time. Speakers, yes - have them hooked up right here and working like a charm . Graphics card, yes - but you could get the Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro for 198 USD...pretty much the same thing. The best buy one should be on sale...wonder why it saids 229.99 USD, since its retail is originally 249.99 USD... Hope that helps, kram

07-20-2004, 05:41 PM	#56
hyg71886 Member (11 bit) Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,151	do you think I'd be ok backing my system and files up on a cd or is it better to have a zip drive?

07-20-2004, 05:44 PM	#57
D-RobotWillNeverDie Member (6 bit) Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 48	Thats cool that all you guys are helping this guy. Just thought i'de say that

07-20-2004, 09:24 PM	#60
speeddude2000 Member (10 bit) Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: on the couch Posts: 830	wait. that link that u had is the right one...notice theres a $50 rebate. so 229-50=179

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