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hyg71886 · 07-21-2004, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhatsThisBoxFor?

It depends on the cards, which two are you comparing?

ATI Radeon 9800PRO and Sapphire Radeon 9800PRO

WhatsThisBoxFor? · 07-21-2004, 01:23 PM

Sapphire have a few different cards in the 9800Pro series, one of which is 128-bit, which would make a difference in performance, do you have a link to where you are buying them?

hyg71886 · 07-21-2004, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhatsThisBoxFor?

Sapphire have a few different cards in the 9800Pro series, one of which is 128-bit, which would make a difference in performance, do you have a link to where you are buying them?

no, but there from newegg.com

hyg71886 · 07-21-2004, 01:27 PM

Which one of the Sapphire is better and cost less then the ATI?

kram 2.0 · 07-21-2004, 01:29 PM

Sapphire only has one Radeon 9800 Pro - the other one was discontinued/renamed. Have the link in Page two of this thread.

kram

WhatsThisBoxFor? · 07-21-2004, 01:30 PM

Thanks Kram, here in the UK they have a few still being sold, one of which is 128-bit.

hyg71886 · 07-21-2004, 01:32 PM

Ok. I think I'll go with the one Kram8806 linked on pg 2 for 195.00, thanks.

KoMoDo · 07-21-2004, 02:16 PM

btw how much does the ATI cost u ? i like nvidia more and its almost always cheaper.. im planning on getting this one (today prolly):
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...150-051&depa=0
and tin canary is gonna teach me how to overclock it to a 5950 ultra, so no doubt its gonna beat your ATI once i do it, and i think the 5900xt and a regular 9800 are pretty much the same speeds.. and about the manufacturers, nvidia does the same, see, the one im going to buy is an XFX one, they get the main chip from nvidia, and they make the card themselves, same thing with ATI, only ATI is abit more strict, from what i hear.

bigandy · 07-21-2004, 02:17 PM

To answer your question on the previous page, PFC is Power Factor Correction. This allows efficient distrobution of power. There are two types of PFC, Active and Passive. Active PFC uses circuits to correct the power, while Passive PFC uses capacitors to correct power.

kram 2.0 · 07-21-2004, 02:20 PM

Well, it's best to stay with the retail stock card, as how it comes. Though that trick doesn't seem to fail, there are tricks that fail and ruin the card. Flashing the BIOS, for one, does void the warranty and such, where the manufacturer will no longer provide support for the card. There are tricks on the ATI side - that Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro, which has an R360 Core, I think, can be flashed to the equivelant R360 Radeon 9800 XT with 128MB onboard - the best card in its generation. However, remember that it does void warranty, and I wouldn't recommend it myself.

Hope that helps,
kram

hyg71886 · 07-21-2004, 06:06 PM

Is this one good? Some1 said to get 400watts, so is this good?
enlight

Cricket · 07-21-2004, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prometheus

Is this one good? Some1 said to get 400watts, so is this good?

Yes, that's a good power supply.

Cricket

hyg71886 · 07-22-2004, 07:17 AM

What about this processor right here?
processor

And whats the differnce between a Prescott and a Northwood chip?

hyg71886 · 07-22-2004, 12:17 PM

does anyone know where I can get a good temepered glass workstation from thats something like this?
LEDA DL-GPC77 Tempered Glass Workstation

KoMoDo · 07-22-2004, 12:54 PM

have no idea about the workstation, just go to staples,office max, etc.. lol
and the processor looks really good if u decided to go with intel and a 400 mhz fsb..

hyg71886 · 07-22-2004, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KoMoDo

have no idea about the workstation, just go to staples,office max, etc.. lol
and the processor looks really good if u decided to go with intel and a 400 mhz fsb..

What about fans? I'm using this case
X-Blade Extreme
Should I purchase more fans to put in myself or should I let them do it? And what brands are good for fans?

kram 2.0 · 07-22-2004, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prometheus

What about this processor right here?
processor

And whats the differnce between a Prescott and a Northwood chip?

As you see, that is a Prescott Core processor. The difference is that the Prescott Core boasts a 1MB L2 cache - so better efficiency and speed. However, in order to do that, Intel had to lengthen the pipeline architecture - tasks have to go through more processing before it's processed. Adding cache means generally that heat adds up. So performance is about analogous to the Northwood Core, but runs hotter. I'd say Northwood is the better way to go. And I don't think you'll need 400 Watts...what's your update sys specs?

Hope that helps,
kram

hyg71886 · 07-22-2004, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kram8806

As you see, that is a Prescott Core processor. The difference is that the Prescott Core boasts a 1MB L2 cache - so better efficiency and speed. However, in order to do that, Intel had to lengthen the pipeline architecture - tasks have to go through more processing before it's processed. Adding cache means generally that heat adds up. So performance is about analogous to the Northwood Core, but runs hotter. I'd say Northwood is the better way to go. And I don't think you'll need 400 Watts...what's your update sys specs?

Hope that helps,
kram

Xoxide X-Blade Extreme Case(Black)

Xenix Multimedia Illuminated Keyboard

Xenix Blue led fan mouse(blue)

Xoxide Blue led mouse pad

Logitech Z640 5.1 Speakers

Intel P4 2.8 HT

Mushkin Blue Dual 184 Pin 1GB(512MBx2) PC-3200

ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe

Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy2 ZS Gamer LE

Sapphire ATI Radeon 9800Pro

Western Digital SE 120GB

Lite-On DVD-RW drive(black)

Lite-On Combo drive(black)

Sony 1.44MB floppy drive(black)

Enlight ATX 420w P4 Power Supply

OS- Windows XP Professional(already have it, complements of DeVry)

KoMoDo · 07-22-2004, 01:36 PM

dang that case is sweet! lol
dont think ure gonna need more fans, got one in front, 2 in back (one of them PSU) and one on the side, ill prolly get a case with 3 fans too once i get back to israel (since im leaving my crappy hp case and psu here) hehe

hyg71886 · 07-22-2004, 01:36 PM

Hi Ho told me in another thread that Lite-On drives are noisy, is that true if it is, is it something I'm going to get annoyed at and notice right away?

hyg71886 · 07-22-2004, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KoMoDo

dang that case is sweet! lol
dont think ure gonna need more fans, got one in front, 2 in back (one of them PSU) and one on the side, ill prolly get a case with 3 fans too once i get back to israel (since im leaving my crappy hp case and psu here) hehe

You no those lights that flicker with bass from sounds? How do they work because I was thinking of adding them to my case. And How many fans does that case come with, I thought it only came with 2.

bigandy · 07-22-2004, 01:55 PM

I haven't noticed any noise from my LiteOn drive, but maybe that's because it's under my desk, and I usually have some sort of music or sound coming from my speakers.

Looks like a nice build. You should be very happy with it.

hyg71886 · 07-22-2004, 01:58 PM

Do you know how many fans come with that case becuase I thought it was 2?

Cricket · 07-22-2004, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prometheus

Do you know how many fans come with that case becuase I thought it was 2?

That case comes with 2 blue LED 80mm fans...one in front and one in back.

Cricket

hyg71886 · 07-22-2004, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cricket

That case comes with 2 blue LED 80mm fans...one in front and one in back.

Cricket

It can have up to five, and they can put them up there or I can buy better ones(most likly) and add them my self, you saw the build, what do you think? Oh and my moms keeps the condo moderate temperature now, but in winter the heats full blast, and we have central air so I cant cut it off in one room.

bigandy · 07-22-2004, 05:13 PM

One intake fan at the front and one exhaust fan at the back should be fine to cool your system.

hyg71886 · 07-22-2004, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigandy

One intake fan at the front and one exhaust fan at the back should be fine to cool your system.

Oh, I wanted to add 2 more just in case those fans arent high quailty because I never bought from xoxide.com. Plus, I'm putting about $1,400 into this thing so I dont want ANY surprises down the road.

KoMoDo · 07-22-2004, 05:18 PM

didnt it say it also comes with one for the window side ? w/e.. and i have a liteon CD-BURNER, since i dont use it much i dont think its noisy, and whenever i burn a cd i cant really hear it, it could be because its under my desk, if u have time, in about 2-3 weeks ill be in israel with my new case and psu, rebuilding my comp to that new case.. and then, since ill buy a mid-tower one with cool colors and such :-P ill put it on my desk next to the monitor, so then ill be able to hear if it really is noisy or not. i dont think its extremely noisy, if ure getting it as a burner and u dont use it much.. then u dont have to worry about it at all..

hope that helps :-P

KoMoDo

KoMoDo · 07-22-2004, 05:19 PM

haha, good idea.. i thought of these:
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...999-051&depa=0
it seems like they're REALLY popular and good.. i would've bought them but ill just get a great case in israel or buy some in israel, dont wanna take fans because i already have all the PC components besides a psu and case, getting those in israel...

hyg71886 · 07-22-2004, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KoMoDo

haha, good idea.. i thought of these:
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...999-051&depa=0
it seems like they're REALLY popular and good.. i would've bought them but ill just get a great case in israel or buy some in israel, dont wanna take fans because i already have all the PC components besides a psu and case, getting those in israel...

Thats dop, thanks!

07-21-2004, 01:23 PM	#92
WhatsThisBoxFor? PCMech: Saving Lives Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: England, the United Kingdom Posts: 1,839	Sapphire have a few different cards in the 9800Pro series, one of which is 128-bit, which would make a difference in performance, do you have a link to where you are buying them? __________________

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kram 2.0 Member (13 bit) Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 7,835	Sapphire only has one Radeon 9800 Pro - the other one was discontinued/renamed. Have the link in Page two of this thread. kram __________________ "For today, goodbye. For tomorrow, good luck. And forever, Go Blue!" University of Michigan President Mary Sue Coleman

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07-21-2004, 01:27 PM	#94
hyg71886 Member (11 bit) Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,151	Which one of the Sapphire is better and cost less then the ATI?

07-21-2004, 01:30 PM	#96
WhatsThisBoxFor? PCMech: Saving Lives Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: England, the United Kingdom Posts: 1,839	Thanks Kram, here in the UK they have a few still being sold, one of which is 128-bit.

07-21-2004, 01:32 PM	#97
hyg71886 Member (11 bit) Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,151	Ok. I think I'll go with the one Kram8806 linked on pg 2 for 195.00, thanks.

07-21-2004, 02:16 PM	#98
KoMoDo Member (10 bit) Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 996	btw how much does the ATI cost u ? i like nvidia more and its almost always cheaper.. im planning on getting this one (today prolly): http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...150-051&depa=0 and tin canary is gonna teach me how to overclock it to a 5950 ultra, so no doubt its gonna beat your ATI once i do it, and i think the 5900xt and a regular 9800 are pretty much the same speeds.. and about the manufacturers, nvidia does the same, see, the one im going to buy is an XFX one, they get the main chip from nvidia, and they make the card themselves, same thing with ATI, only ATI is abit more strict, from what i hear.

07-21-2004, 02:17 PM	#99
bigandy Folding For PCMech Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Dimas, CA Posts: 3,136	To answer your question on the previous page, PFC is Power Factor Correction. This allows efficient distrobution of power. There are two types of PFC, Active and Passive. Active PFC uses circuits to correct the power, while Passive PFC uses capacitors to correct power.

07-21-2004, 02:20 PM	#100
kram 2.0 Member (13 bit) Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 7,835	Well, it's best to stay with the retail stock card, as how it comes. Though that trick doesn't seem to fail, there are tricks that fail and ruin the card. Flashing the BIOS, for one, does void the warranty and such, where the manufacturer will no longer provide support for the card. There are tricks on the ATI side - that Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro, which has an R360 Core, I think, can be flashed to the equivelant R360 Radeon 9800 XT with 128MB onboard - the best card in its generation. However, remember that it does void warranty, and I wouldn't recommend it myself. Hope that helps, kram

07-21-2004, 06:06 PM	#101
hyg71886 Member (11 bit) Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,151	Is this one good? Some1 said to get 400watts, so is this good? enlight

07-22-2004, 12:17 PM	#104
hyg71886 Member (11 bit) Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,151	does anyone know where I can get a good temepered glass workstation from thats something like this? LEDA DL-GPC77 Tempered Glass Workstation

07-22-2004, 12:54 PM	#105
KoMoDo Member (10 bit) Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 996	have no idea about the workstation, just go to staples,office max, etc.. lol and the processor looks really good if u decided to go with intel and a 400 mhz fsb..

07-22-2004, 01:36 PM	#109
KoMoDo Member (10 bit) Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 996	dang that case is sweet! lol dont think ure gonna need more fans, got one in front, 2 in back (one of them PSU) and one on the side, ill prolly get a case with 3 fans too once i get back to israel (since im leaving my crappy hp case and psu here) hehe

07-22-2004, 01:36 PM	#110
hyg71886 Member (11 bit) Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,151	Hi Ho told me in another thread that Lite-On drives are noisy, is that true if it is, is it something I'm going to get annoyed at and notice right away?

07-22-2004, 01:55 PM	#112
bigandy Folding For PCMech Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Dimas, CA Posts: 3,136	I haven't noticed any noise from my LiteOn drive, but maybe that's because it's under my desk, and I usually have some sort of music or sound coming from my speakers. Looks like a nice build. You should be very happy with it.

07-22-2004, 01:58 PM	#113
hyg71886 Member (11 bit) Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,151	Do you know how many fans come with that case becuase I thought it was 2?

07-22-2004, 05:13 PM	#116
bigandy Folding For PCMech Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Dimas, CA Posts: 3,136	One intake fan at the front and one exhaust fan at the back should be fine to cool your system.

07-22-2004, 05:18 PM	#118
KoMoDo Member (10 bit) Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 996	didnt it say it also comes with one for the window side ? w/e.. and i have a liteon CD-BURNER, since i dont use it much i dont think its noisy, and whenever i burn a cd i cant really hear it, it could be because its under my desk, if u have time, in about 2-3 weeks ill be in israel with my new case and psu, rebuilding my comp to that new case.. and then, since ill buy a mid-tower one with cool colors and such :-P ill put it on my desk next to the monitor, so then ill be able to hear if it really is noisy or not. i dont think its extremely noisy, if ure getting it as a burner and u dont use it much.. then u dont have to worry about it at all.. hope that helps :-P KoMoDo

07-22-2004, 05:19 PM	#119
KoMoDo Member (10 bit) Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 996	haha, good idea.. i thought of these: http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...999-051&depa=0 it seems like they're REALLY popular and good.. i would've bought them but ill just get a great case in israel or buy some in israel, dont wanna take fans because i already have all the PC components besides a psu and case, getting those in israel...

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