expensive case

[kram 2.0]

Just a quick change - I would recommend going with the ATI Radeon 9550 or Radeon 9200 VPU instead of the FX5500 - around the same price.

kram

[jsawicki]

i might not even use a video card. i mainly just added that in there to get the ppl that keep yelling at me for not getting a video card, to be quiet lol.

[ric449]

Do you really need 3.2GHz? Intel are charging a lot for a moderate performance increase over a 2.8GHz processor. Going this route could save some cash, and the integrated graphics of the 915G are much better than the 865G's graphics too:

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...121-258&depa=0
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...116-185&depa=0

[jsawicki]

that ends up savin me about 40 bucks. i guess it works. then i can take the video card off the list and save some more cash. it brings my total down to 750 w/o shipping.

[Hi Ho]

Again, that power supply is a bit overkill. You could save money there by going with a cheaper one. The build I posted above is cheaper and will perform similarly. It also has more upgrade potential because of the LGA 775 socket motherboard. The RAM in my build also has a 2.5 CAS latency rather than 3.0. Though the Raptor hard drive is fast it's really not worth it in a budget build like this. $112 for only 36 GB isn't a very good deal. The 80 GB 7200 RPM SATA drive in my build will be plenty fast and give you a lot more space for almost half the price.

[jsawicki]

well my power supply is over kill ill admit. i dont need it but its not a whole lot more to get the higher one. plus as technology advances, your gona need a larger power supply for different things. i just want it to stay with me a while. i also like the look of the power supply and since the case is clear, the power supply will be showing.

As far as the raptor goes: i have a friend who had an uncle that helped him build a computer. anyways, he put 2x 500 gb hard drives in it. (im not sure where he got them) i was just over there the other day and he only had 15 gb of it full. what a waste. when i got home i checked on my computer to see how full mine was. i only had 10 gb full on mine. i dont store a lot of songs and stuff on my computer so that wont be a problem. another thing ive looked at is the specifications of the hard drives. not just the rpm. right now my hard drive has an average seek time of 8.9 seconds at 5400 rpm. most of the 7200s are around 9.3. again, i do several hard drive hogging things on my computer. for instance, burning a dvd. my read speed on my dvd burner is 12x. 12x on a dvd is a tremeneous amount of data being brought onto my hard drive at a time. with the hard drive im using, it just isnt possible. i cannot even type a doccument while i load information from a dvd onto my hard drive.
if i have leftover money, i will get the 74gb version (its a little faster as well. 4.5 average seek)

[Yuanji]

the 74 gb one is pretty much the only one worth gettring. its quieter then the 36 for some reason and the extra space helps you in the end. even if you're getting such a fast processor, without dual channel, you won't be running it to its full potential. go with the MoBo and a 2.8 LGA 775 processor and 2 sticks of 256 and your comp will end up running much better.

[jsawicki]

ill have to think about this for a while.

[abnorml_chylde]

lol you asked for their help... they're helping lol...
you dont have to listen to anyone, but they they unlike some of us (me) dont know what we're talking about.

i for one agree that you dont need that 3.2 cpu....




Jason

btw, i love warcraft 3

[jsawicki]

probably not. i probably wouldnt notice a difference between a 2.4 and a 2.8. cpus are allready so fast that a lil bit more isnt gona do a whole lot.

[jsawicki]

im deciding whether i should build this computer or just keep my existing one and get a kick ass digital camera.

[Yuanji]

just get the stuff i told you. it will let you upgrade into PCIE later on anyways. the onboard video will be fine untill you get a better card.

[jsawicki]

well unfortunatley, agp is outdated now. (better for some though) agp thought they were gona take the lead in speed but then pci snuck around the corner and bit agp in the ass lol.

[Yuanji]

Originally Posted by jsawicki well unfortunatley, agp is outdated now. (better for some though) agp thought they were gona take the lead in speed but then pci snuck around the corner and bit agp in the ass lol.

don't know how this is relavent cuz the board i picked out for you has PCIE

[jsawicki]

i know. isnt pcie the same as pcix? well im thinking of getting this video card for this build because its a good one and its cheap. http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...131-283&depa=1

[Yuanji]

Originally Posted by jsawicki i know. isnt pcie the same as pcix? well im thinking of getting this video card for this build because its a good one and its cheap. http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...131-283&depa=1

yes... 600+ dollars is cheap..... look here's the deal. PCIE means PCI express. you can use the onboard video on the motherboard until you have money and PCI express cards go down.

[jsawicki]

Ooooooooooooooops!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wrong Link

[Yuanji]

if you meant the X600 then no i wouldn't recommend getting that. the 6600s and X700s are coming out soon and those will be good bang for buck mid range cards.

[jsawicki]

k (it wants me to put more characters in)

[KoMoDo]

2 things.

1. pcie = pcx(not pcix) = pci express

2. the 36gb raptor is just nothing, i got a 160GB HD here, shows up at 130GB, then take away around 5-10gb for windoes, program files, my documents, etc..

so think about it like this:
your HD will show up at 30GB, lose 5-10 for windows and progs, ure left with nothing...
im not sure 20GB will be that enuff for u, but if u think that, then go ahead.

KoMoDo

[Blue_Gundam2002]

Originally Posted by KoMoDo 2 things. 1. pcie = pcx(not pcix) = pci express 2. the 36gb raptor is just nothing, i got a 160GB HD here, shows up at 130GB, then take away around 5-10gb for windoes, program files, my documents, etc.. so think about it like this: your HD will show up at 30GB, lose 5-10 for windows and progs, ure left with nothing... im not sure 20GB will be that enuff for u, but if u think that, then go ahead. KoMoDo

I have a 36gb raptor.
Shows up as 34.4GB
I have winXP pro, and a 2GB system restore limit set.
I have tons of programs installed, and a few games.
I have 23GB left which is plenty of space. If he finds that he is running low he can always get a regular sata or ide drive to put his doc's and other files on. And just leave programs on it.

[Moose on the Loose]

Originally Posted by KoMoDo haha :-P ior better yet, a 6800GT! (is it possible they'll do that ?)

Why would they do that? I don't see why they would replace your GFX card with a more expensive one oO

[jsawicki]

I think that a raptor will greatly improve this builds performance. the hard drive is probably the slowest component of the computer. therefore, its the area that needs to be upgraded the most. (at least thats what i think.) i dont need much storage guys. i dont download music or any of that stuff so i wont need any space for that. most of the time when i have large files such as movies and songs on my computer, i put them on a dvd and then i can take the files off my hard drive.

[Yuanji]

get a raptor then, we're just offering advice.

[KoMoDo]

ya, i would NEVER be able to live with a 36gb HD :-P thatll be crazy!
i have about 40gb left (editing stuff, photoshop, clips, alot of games, movies, etc)
and 4gb in C: partition which im leaving, dont wanna overload C: partition, made it 15GB and the other one the rest (113GB to be exact).

lol, the maxtor 300gb prolly shows up at like 230 or somethin... that sux.

gundam: u like the raptor ? :-P lol must be crazy fast! i wouldnt get it if u dont have fast mem and a fast cpu though.

KoMoDo

[Blue_Gundam2002]

Originally Posted by KoMoDo ya, i would NEVER be able to live with a 36gb HD :-P thatll be crazy! i have about 40gb left (editing stuff, photoshop, clips, alot of games, movies, etc) and 4gb in C: partition which im leaving, dont wanna overload C: partition, made it 15GB and the other one the rest (113GB to be exact). lol, the maxtor 300gb prolly shows up at like 230 or somethin... that sux. gundam: u like the raptor ? :-P lol must be crazy fast! i wouldnt get it if u dont have fast mem and a fast cpu though. KoMoDo

It's faster than a race horse on steroids

[soba]

I bought this case 2 weeks ago and I love it. i grabbed the one with no psu and added an antec one. It's super light, and looks pretty sweet....actually haven't gotten to actually USE it yet but it's nice. Only one bad thing about it is that I got cut once putting in the mainboard, which I you'd think for a more expensive case that wouldnt happen.

[KoMoDo]

my case was one of the cheapest in the store, i really do like it, ill take a few shots of it sometime later, busy this week, prolly next week though :-P
its pretty nice, and i never got cut using it (how can u get cut lol ?) the only annoying/abit dangerous(if u wanna call it that way ;-) thing was the motherboard plate, it was annoying to take it out and put the new one in, lol.

KoMoDo

[jsawicki]

all you have to do is look at the average seek time on the 74 gb one. 4.5 seconds. thats twice the speed of the 99% of the 7200s.

[Cricket]

Originally Posted by jsawicki all you have to do is look at the average seek time on the 74 gb one. 4.5 seconds. thats twice the speed of the 99% of the 7200s.

4.5 seconds would be very, very, very slow for hard drive seek time. I think you mean 4.5 miliseconds.

Cricket