Warning to all metal case users!!!

[mountainking]

ok im just here to warn you all... if you have a metal case, and a air purifier/ionizer in your room... then prepared to burn out your leds and give yourself a really bad shock. For a while i didnt know why my computer kept shutting off when i touched the case until i remembered that ionizers release ions into the air hehe.

[bailey]

could you please explane the relationship of what your trying to say, I just do not understand it at all.

[shadowbreaker513]

Don't put an ion machine next to a metal case.

[Cricket]

Originally Posted by shadowbreaker513 Don't put an ion machine next to a metal case.

I think bailey wants to know why you shouldn't put a ion machine next to a metal case.

Cricket

[sigmaseven]

You'll short your mobo or something? Just an idea...

[oSo]

Whats an Ionizer? I know what an Ion is.. but Ionizer?...

[tomster2300]

Maybe he's from outer space?

[tireman]

Hmmmm...I have an Ionic Breeze air purifier in the same room with three computers, all metal cases, and haven't had that problem yet.

[bailey]

what I can't seam to understand is that having a metal case that is grounded to a real earth ground is the best protection you can possibility have, and there is nothing that can get through that to have any effect on the computer inside.
having a ionizer in the room cannot have any effect on the computer at all.

as a example, I have several high power amature radio station's on the same desk as my computers, and there is no ill effect.

[ric449]

Are your house plug sockets wired correctly? Its just the earth prong should ensure things like this don't happen.

[mountainking]

ok guys... I have a holmes air purifier/ionizer. The ionizer releases ions so it produces a negative or positive charge (forgot which one) in the air and all the particles get charged. meanwhile, there is a fan circulating the air. The ionizer charges the particles opposite of what the filter is charged. this causes the particles to stick right onto the air filter pretty easily. What im assuming happened, was the ions got in the air and got on the case. Then it probably went strait to the mobo and shorted out all the stuff in the system. It just pretty much reboots itself when i touch it while the ionizer is on. ionic breeze is a lil different because its just charging that metal strip. Its not actually charging the particles in the air. If you were to somehow touch that metal strip while its on, to your computer, it would give a similar effect.

[kram 2.0]

In other words to put it short - the charge on the ions released produce a vastly detrimental effect on the charge of the overall system - remember ESD?

kram

[mountainking]

I'm just putting out this warning for people not to get things that charge particles in the air. I know i got a bit upset when the front leds burned out on my $125 thermaltake tsunami case I don't want anyone else to accidently run into this problem like i did.

[bailey]

your theroy is all wet in my book, I have the same device that you have in my room and it has been running all the time for the last two years with no ill effects.
first, the case is grounded to the earth potential so that any charge that might be in the air will be neutrialized when it reaches the metal and grounded.
there is no way in the world that what your discribing can have any effect on any electronic circut, the only thing that can possibility take out a led is overvoltage.
ion generators are electronic circuts, and are also known as static generators,
it would be the same effect that you would have during a lighting storm in the dry summer heat, the air is so full of ions that you can smell the ozone oder, and this cannot cause any damage to a electronic circut that is properly grounded and shielded.

I still say you have some other problem that caused you damage.

[mountainking]

well why does it reboot every time i turn the ionizer on, and then touch my case then?

[bailey]

my guess would be that you may have something wrong with the connections on your motherboard and/or power supply, that is having a effect with the reboot button on the front of the case, or something is not grounded properly, that is the only thing that can cause the problem your discribing

[b.r.lancas]

Originally Posted by mountainking ok im just here to warn you all... if you have a metal case, and a air purifier/ionizer in your room... then prepared to burn out your leds and give yourself a really bad shock. For a while i didnt know why my computer kept shutting off when i touched the case until i remembered that ionizers release ions into the air hehe.

Hay,
I hade the same type of problem a whole back, I was not using purifier/ionizer. My TV and microwave quite within a 90 days. No one seems to know what was going wrong, at that time the house was new. I hade the wiring checked but, nothing was found with the wiring. I used a voltmeter from the ground wire to the ground 3ft. away from the ground wire and got 25 volts AC. I could not find a ground rod. Put in a ground rod, and no more problems.

[mountainking]

my case isnt grounded u guys know? its on a shelf made out of wood. its not sitting on the floor.

[bailey]

the case is supposed to be grounded through the power supply being screwed to the case, the power supply has a 3 wire power connector, the middel connector is physically connected to the power supply case.
the other end of the power cord has 3 prongs, the middel round prong is the earth grond connector that will connect to the earth ground on the outlet.
the earth ground of the outlet must go to a phyical earth ground ron outside the house.
a bad or loose connection at any point of this earth ground circut can cause what your discribing too.

if your case is not grounded to the earth ground, you can/will have many weared problems at differant times,

[sataraid0]

Hmmmm, sounds like your computer is not grounded properly, or your house wiring is not grounded properly.

Touching your computer should not make it reboot, even with an ionizer on.

I touched my computer case a few weeks ago and static electricity flew, and shocked me. But it was a cool dry day and was getting static electricity from the rug and..........the computer did not reboot.

Hope this helps......check your grounds............Regards............Sterling

[murray69]

why don't you try another socket in the room and see if your problem persits?

[PCPilot]

Get one of those little "plug tester" doo-dads at an electrical supply store.

My guess is the outlet the computer is plugged into is not grounded properly. If it were, your computer case would be grounded through the power cord, and what you are describing wouldn't be happening.

A tester will quickly tell you if it is or not. You do have 3-wire wiring in your house?