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Yuanji · 05-01-2005, 07:42 PM

I personally like the look of the new Thermaltake Armor cases and am looking to purchase one of those for my next build.

Amazin Caucasian · 05-01-2005, 09:26 PM

Those are pretty cool, not sure whether or not I like the front sidebars coming down. I forget who but some dude on a forum said he was gonna get an all black case and some white cathode tubes, pretty sweet huh? Any sweet black cases? I believe the one he was getting a Lian Li 6070 plus, something to that extent. Problem is that he was cutting out a window and then installing white cathode tubes. Also, price again, cost around 175 bucks for that case to cut it apart.

Amazin Caucasian · 05-02-2005, 07:08 PM

edited by moderator: Let's not pursue that question. It's been answered enough previously that you should be able to Search the Forums and find out what you need to know. PR

Amazin Caucasian · 05-02-2005, 07:39 PM

Okay then, now that I have been prohibited from asking people's opinion on AMD, is it fairly simple to install cathodes?

**Panama Red** · 05-02-2005, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amazin Caucasian

Okay then, now that I have been prohibited from asking people's opinion on AMD...

Not true, opinions on a specific processor are fine. Inviting a comparison of brands is verboten.

Amazin Caucasian · 05-02-2005, 07:56 PM

Okay then, what are your opinions on AMD 3500+, should I get a faster one?

Yuanji · 05-02-2005, 08:08 PM

3500+ is fine for now and the venice is highly overclockable so you have a chance to reach FX-55 speeds on them.

Amazin Caucasian · 05-02-2005, 08:20 PM

cool, since it is so highly overclockable is it therefore more difficult to burn the CPU?

Yuanji · 05-02-2005, 08:21 PM

in order to actually burn a CPU from overclocking, you have to be running high voltages through it without sufficient cooling. Venice cores are good overclockers without much voltage added into it. being a good overclocker just means each chip has a higher average OC

Amazin Caucasian · 05-02-2005, 08:24 PM

therefore, its harder to burn out a CPU because you don't need as high of voltages that are needed to burn it out.

Amazin Caucasian · 05-02-2005, 09:09 PM

How come the Venice Cores are soo easily OC'ed?

**thefultonhow** · 05-02-2005, 09:40 PM

They're 90nm, so they run cooler, and they have tweaks to reach higher clock speeds.

Hi Ho · 05-03-2005, 12:35 AM

I may be too late for this thread but I just read all four pages and couldn't help but think that if, at the beginning, someone had asked "what is your budget?" We could have put together a preliminary list of parts that would work together and explain them all without 4 pages of confusing posts. This isn't a complaint or insult. Just an observation.

By the way, Amazin Caucasian, what is your total budget for this build?

Cricket · 05-03-2005, 02:03 AM

Wow...134 posts just in this thread! Sorry, just had to say it.

Cricket

Amazin Caucasian · 05-03-2005, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hi Ho

I may be too late for this thread but I just read all four pages and couldn't help but think that if, at the beginning, someone had asked "what is your budget?" We could have put together a preliminary list of parts that would work together and explain them all without 4 pages of confusing posts. This isn't a complaint or insult. Just an observation.

By the way, Amazin Caucasian, what is your total budget for this build?

Yeah, that is probably true. Budget is $2,000. Do you want me to have this thread deleted, and just start a fresh one?

**thefultonhow** · 05-03-2005, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amazin Caucasian

Do you want me to have this thread deleted, and just start a fresh one?

Nah. Besides which, the only threads that get deleted on PCMech are spam ones. Easier just to keep it to this thread.

Okay, so what we've determined so far is:

$2000 budget
Just the box -- no monitor, speakers, etc.
No water cooling
AMD build with SLI
Don't want to spend $200 on a case

Am I correct on this? Do you want to add any other criteria?

Amazin Caucasian · 05-03-2005, 02:37 PM

Ha, you are correct, I do not want to spend 200 bucks on a case

. Looks like you got everything. No, there really isn't any other criteria that I can think of, ask me any questions if you need to know something. One thing, water cooling, I was suggested by David M to get a waterblock for the vid cards on the SLI.
One thing, I was thinking about speakers but no other accesories such as keyboard and stuff.

**thefultonhow** · 05-03-2005, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amazin Caucasian

One thing, water cooling, I was suggested by David M to get a waterblock for the vid cards on the SLI.

I'd leave the video cards alone. 6800GTs can go pretty far with normal air cooling. I'm getting a config together for you right now.

**thefultonhow** · 05-03-2005, 04:58 PM

Here's a good configuration:

AMD Athlon 64 3500+ 2.2 GHz Venice-Core 64-bit Processor w/ 512K L2 Cache & Socket 754 (OEM) -- $318.99
Zalman CNPS7000B-CU 92mm Cooling Fan/Heatsink (Retail) -- $47.99
Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe Motherboard w/ nVidia nForce4 SLI Chipset for AMD Socket 939 CPU (Retail) -- $179.00
Mushkin 1 GB (2x512MB) DDR400 PC-3200 DRAM Dual Pack (Retail) -- $81.55
2x eVGA 256-P2-N376-AX nVidia GeForce 6800GT Video Card w/ 256MB DDR, Dual-DVI/TV-Out, PCI-Express (Retail) -- $718.00
Cooler Master Praetorian PAC-T01-EK Black ATX Mid Tower Case (Retail) -- $124.49
Enermax EG565AX-VEFMA2.0-SLI 535W ATX12V v2.0 SLI-Compatible Power Supply (Retail) -- $126.98
Maxtor 7Y250M0 250GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive w/ 3-Year Warranty (OEM) -- $128.00
Lite-On SOHW-1673S BK Black 16X DVD+/-R Dual Layer DVD Burner (Retail) -- $56.99
Lite-On SOHC-5236K BK RTL Black 52x32x52x16 Combo Drive (Retail) -- $42.00
Sony MPF920 1.44MB Black Internal Floppy Drive (OEM) -- $11.49
Logitech Z-5300e 5.1 THX Certified Speaker System (Retail) -- $142.24

TOTAL -- $1977.72

Hi Ho · 05-03-2005, 05:33 PM

thefultonknow's build looks very good. The only thing I would change is the hard drive. I'd get a Seagate 250GB SATA partly because of the 5 year warranty and also personal preference. Everything else looks great and it's probably exactly what I would have put together except I prefer NEC DVD burners over Lite-On.

**thefultonhow** · 05-03-2005, 05:41 PM

Yeah, I "reused" that hard drive from a build that I speced out for someone else -- it originally had the Seagate but the Seagate went out of stock so I put in the Maxtor. I was just too lazy to look for a new hard drive -- I only updated the price. You can tell which stuff got reused and which is new for this build by looking at the URL -- the stuff that got reused has the old way that Newegg did addresses.

Amazin Caucasian · 05-03-2005, 09:05 PM

So then, what hard drive and DVD burner should I get? Hi Ho siad Seagate and NEC. Fulton said Maxtor and Lite On.

**thefultonhow** · 05-03-2005, 09:09 PM

I might go with the Seagate. You can't go wrong either way, but the Seagate has a five-year warranty, which gives you a little extra piece of mind. As for the DVD burner, I am an unabashed Lite-On fanboy. The NEC is okay, but nothing special. The Lite-On is the best thing this side of a Plextor.

**Panama Red** · 05-03-2005, 09:10 PM

My vote is Seagate and LiteOn. Seagate is quieter that WD or Maxtor and has a longer warranty. I've never had a failure with LiteOn burners - CD-RW or DVD-RW and I'll keep using them til I do.

Hi Ho · 05-03-2005, 09:11 PM

They are both good. Seagate and NEC are my personal preference. There isn't really a big difference between the two other than the fact that Seagate hard drives have 5 year warranties and Maxtor has only three. The Seagate drive also has NCQ (Native Command Queing) which offers a performance boost. I'd go with the Seagate.

The reason I prefer NEC to Lite-On is probably because all of the Lite-On drives I have seen were extremely noisy. Appearently their DVD-burners are nice and quiet but I have never used one personally.

**Panama Red** · 05-03-2005, 09:22 PM

Naw, I wouldn't call em quiet! My DVD burner is just as loud as my CD burners. But they don't burn coasters and they come with a Nero Suite so I can put up with a little noise.

Amazin Caucasian · 05-03-2005, 09:33 PM

A little noise here and there shows that the comp is workin, ha! For the seagate, I don't need SATA150 or II do I?

Hi Ho · 05-03-2005, 09:43 PM

I personally prefer peace and quiet. My Plextor CD burner and Pioneer DVD drive are completely silent. As is my PC which I have spent a lot of time silencing it.

Amazin Caucasian · 05-03-2005, 09:46 PM

see I don't bother to take that time, I would rather have it work and let it be except if it was really loud which I can't imagine DVD burners are too loud.

Hi Ho · 05-03-2005, 09:50 PM

The Lite-On drives I have seen were noticably loud. They made a very loud buzzing sound when they spun up. It was not reassuring and I can't imagine that anyone wouldn't be annoyed by it.

05-01-2005, 07:42 PM	#121
Yuanji Member (12 bit) Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: NYC, NY Posts: 2,558	I personally like the look of the new Thermaltake Armor cases and am looking to purchase one of those for my next build. __________________ My 1st Build: Antec SuperLANboy Case\| Antec 480W Neopower\| 16X Sony DVD-ROM \| Nec 1.44 FDD \| WD 74GB Raptor 10,000 RPM SATA HDD \| Aspire Keyboard w/optical Mouse \|Geil Value 1Gig\| ASUS P4P800-E Delux Socket 478 \| P4 3.2E 800FSB HT \| eVGA GeForce 6800GT 256MB

05-01-2005, 09:26 PM	#122
Amazin Caucasian Member (11 bit) Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,033	Those are pretty cool, not sure whether or not I like the front sidebars coming down. I forget who but some dude on a forum said he was gonna get an all black case and some white cathode tubes, pretty sweet huh? Any sweet black cases? I believe the one he was getting a Lian Li 6070 plus, something to that extent. Problem is that he was cutting out a window and then installing white cathode tubes. Also, price again, cost around 175 bucks for that case to cut it apart. __________________ Thermaltake Tsunami \| Asus A8N-E \| AMD Athlon 64 3500+ Venice \| WD 74GB Raptor \| 2 x Seagate 120 GB \| 2GB (4 x 512mb) Corsair ValueSelect \| eVGA Geforce 6800 gt \| Audigy 2 ZS \| XCLIO 450watt \| NEC 3520a DVD-Burner \| Sony 1.44mb Floppy

05-02-2005, 07:08 PM	#123
Amazin Caucasian Member (11 bit) Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,033	edited by moderator: Let's not pursue that question. It's been answered enough previously that you should be able to Search the Forums and find out what you need to know. PR Last edited by Panama Red; 05-02-2005 at 07:28 PM.

05-02-2005, 09:40 PM	#132
thefultonhow Moderator Staff Premium Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 2,941	They're 90nm, so they run cooler, and they have tweaks to reach higher clock speeds. __________________ Computer: Intel Core i5-750 2.66 GHz quad-core processor @ 3.71 GHz \| Asus P7P55D-E motherboard \| Crucial 4 GB DDR3-1333 RAM \| nVidia GeForce 8600GT \| 2x WD Caviar Black WD1501FASS 1.5TB hard drives in RAID 1 \| Antec Sonata III case with Antec EarthWatts 500-watt PSU \| Dual Dell UltraSharp 2408WFP 24" widescreens \| Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit Other: 2005 Subaru Legacy 2.5GT sedan 5MT \| Samsung Epic 4G Smartphone \| Mamiya M645 1000S medium-format SLR with 55mm f/2.8, 70mm f/2.8, 210mm f/4, teleconverter, 120 and 220 film backs \| Olympus E-PL1 Micro-4/3s DSLR with 14-42mm and 40-150mm lenses

05-03-2005, 12:35 AM	#133
Hi Ho Certified Audio Nut Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 7,245	I may be too late for this thread but I just read all four pages and couldn't help but think that if, at the beginning, someone had asked "what is your budget?" We could have put together a preliminary list of parts that would work together and explain them all without 4 pages of confusing posts. This isn't a complaint or insult. Just an observation. By the way, Amazin Caucasian, what is your total budget for this build? __________________ "I'm not lying. I'm writing fiction with my mouth." - Homer Simpson My Miscelaneous Gallery ASUS P7P55D PRO / Intel Core i7 860 / 8GB Crucial DDR3 1333 RAM / OCZ Vertex 2 120GB SSD / Seagate 1TB 7200.12 / Asus Radeon 5870 1GB / LG Super-Multi 22x SATA DVD-RW / Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit / HT Omega Striker 7.1 Sound Card / Corsair HX750 PSU / Logitech G500 Mouse / Dual Asus 24" Monitors / Ceton infiniTV 4 CableCard Tuner

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05-02-2005, 07:39 PM	#124
Amazin Caucasian Member (11 bit) Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,033	Okay then, now that I have been prohibited from asking people's opinion on AMD, is it fairly simple to install cathodes?

05-02-2005, 07:56 PM	#126
Amazin Caucasian Member (11 bit) Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,033	Okay then, what are your opinions on AMD 3500+, should I get a faster one?

05-02-2005, 08:08 PM	#127
Yuanji Member (12 bit) Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: NYC, NY Posts: 2,558	3500+ is fine for now and the venice is highly overclockable so you have a chance to reach FX-55 speeds on them.

05-02-2005, 08:20 PM	#128
Amazin Caucasian Member (11 bit) Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,033	cool, since it is so highly overclockable is it therefore more difficult to burn the CPU?

05-02-2005, 08:21 PM	#129
Yuanji Member (12 bit) Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: NYC, NY Posts: 2,558	in order to actually burn a CPU from overclocking, you have to be running high voltages through it without sufficient cooling. Venice cores are good overclockers without much voltage added into it. being a good overclocker just means each chip has a higher average OC

05-02-2005, 08:24 PM	#130
Amazin Caucasian Member (11 bit) Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,033	therefore, its harder to burn out a CPU because you don't need as high of voltages that are needed to burn it out.

05-02-2005, 09:09 PM	#131
Amazin Caucasian Member (11 bit) Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,033	How come the Venice Cores are soo easily OC'ed?

05-03-2005, 02:03 AM	#134
Cricket Shiro Usagi Premium Member Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Kaneohe, Hawaii Posts: 34,002	Wow...134 posts just in this thread! Sorry, just had to say it. Cricket

05-03-2005, 02:37 PM	#137
Amazin Caucasian Member (11 bit) Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,033	Ha, you are correct, I do not want to spend 200 bucks on a case . Looks like you got everything. No, there really isn't any other criteria that I can think of, ask me any questions if you need to know something. One thing, water cooling, I was suggested by David M to get a waterblock for the vid cards on the SLI. One thing, I was thinking about speakers but no other accesories such as keyboard and stuff.

05-03-2005, 04:58 PM	#139
thefultonhow Moderator Staff Premium Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 2,941	Here's a good configuration: AMD Athlon 64 3500+ 2.2 GHz Venice-Core 64-bit Processor w/ 512K L2 Cache & Socket 754 (OEM) -- $318.99 Zalman CNPS7000B-CU 92mm Cooling Fan/Heatsink (Retail) -- $47.99 Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe Motherboard w/ nVidia nForce4 SLI Chipset for AMD Socket 939 CPU (Retail) -- $179.00 Mushkin 1 GB (2x512MB) DDR400 PC-3200 DRAM Dual Pack (Retail) -- $81.55 2x eVGA 256-P2-N376-AX nVidia GeForce 6800GT Video Card w/ 256MB DDR, Dual-DVI/TV-Out, PCI-Express (Retail) -- $718.00 Cooler Master Praetorian PAC-T01-EK Black ATX Mid Tower Case (Retail) -- $124.49 Enermax EG565AX-VEFMA2.0-SLI 535W ATX12V v2.0 SLI-Compatible Power Supply (Retail) -- $126.98 Maxtor 7Y250M0 250GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive w/ 3-Year Warranty (OEM) -- $128.00 Lite-On SOHW-1673S BK Black 16X DVD+/-R Dual Layer DVD Burner (Retail) -- $56.99 Lite-On SOHC-5236K BK RTL Black 52x32x52x16 Combo Drive (Retail) -- $42.00 Sony MPF920 1.44MB Black Internal Floppy Drive (OEM) -- $11.49 Logitech Z-5300e 5.1 THX Certified Speaker System (Retail) -- $142.24 TOTAL -- $1977.72

05-03-2005, 05:33 PM	#140
Hi Ho Certified Audio Nut Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 7,245	thefultonknow's build looks very good. The only thing I would change is the hard drive. I'd get a Seagate 250GB SATA partly because of the 5 year warranty and also personal preference. Everything else looks great and it's probably exactly what I would have put together except I prefer NEC DVD burners over Lite-On.

05-03-2005, 05:41 PM	#141
thefultonhow Moderator Staff Premium Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 2,941	Yeah, I "reused" that hard drive from a build that I speced out for someone else -- it originally had the Seagate but the Seagate went out of stock so I put in the Maxtor. I was just too lazy to look for a new hard drive -- I only updated the price. You can tell which stuff got reused and which is new for this build by looking at the URL -- the stuff that got reused has the old way that Newegg did addresses.

05-03-2005, 09:05 PM	#142
Amazin Caucasian Member (11 bit) Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,033	So then, what hard drive and DVD burner should I get? Hi Ho siad Seagate and NEC. Fulton said Maxtor and Lite On.

05-03-2005, 09:09 PM	#143
thefultonhow Moderator Staff Premium Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 2,941	I might go with the Seagate. You can't go wrong either way, but the Seagate has a five-year warranty, which gives you a little extra piece of mind. As for the DVD burner, I am an unabashed Lite-On fanboy. The NEC is okay, but nothing special. The Lite-On is the best thing this side of a Plextor.

05-03-2005, 09:10 PM	#144
Panama Red Served with Pride Staff Premium Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: near the left coast of Michigan Posts: 14,654	My vote is Seagate and LiteOn. Seagate is quieter that WD or Maxtor and has a longer warranty. I've never had a failure with LiteOn burners - CD-RW or DVD-RW and I'll keep using them til I do.

05-03-2005, 09:11 PM	#145
Hi Ho Certified Audio Nut Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 7,245	They are both good. Seagate and NEC are my personal preference. There isn't really a big difference between the two other than the fact that Seagate hard drives have 5 year warranties and Maxtor has only three. The Seagate drive also has NCQ (Native Command Queing) which offers a performance boost. I'd go with the Seagate. The reason I prefer NEC to Lite-On is probably because all of the Lite-On drives I have seen were extremely noisy. Appearently their DVD-burners are nice and quiet but I have never used one personally.

05-03-2005, 09:22 PM	#146
Panama Red Served with Pride Staff Premium Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: near the left coast of Michigan Posts: 14,654	Naw, I wouldn't call em quiet! My DVD burner is just as loud as my CD burners. But they don't burn coasters and they come with a Nero Suite so I can put up with a little noise.

05-03-2005, 09:33 PM	#147
Amazin Caucasian Member (11 bit) Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,033	A little noise here and there shows that the comp is workin, ha! For the seagate, I don't need SATA150 or II do I?

05-03-2005, 09:43 PM	#148
Hi Ho Certified Audio Nut Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 7,245	I personally prefer peace and quiet. My Plextor CD burner and Pioneer DVD drive are completely silent. As is my PC which I have spent a lot of time silencing it.

05-03-2005, 09:46 PM	#149
Amazin Caucasian Member (11 bit) Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,033	see I don't bother to take that time, I would rather have it work and let it be except if it was really loud which I can't imagine DVD burners are too loud.

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05-03-2005, 09:50 PM	#150
Hi Ho Certified Audio Nut Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 7,245	The Lite-On drives I have seen were noticably loud. They made a very loud buzzing sound when they spun up. It was not reassuring and I can't imagine that anyone wouldn't be annoyed by it.

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