4+ GHz

[Amazin Caucasian]

Hi,

I was wondering, for my new computer, how I can make it run 4+. Will a dual processor Motherboard get hte job done or will I have to modify something?

[Amazin Caucasian]

Also, if anyone could suggest a motherboard, I know little about them, it would be helpful, I game quite a bit. I wouldn't say heavy but not light either. Also, I will be doing school work too. Thanks a lot.

[HAL9000]

To have people help with your decision, what brand of processor are you planning to use, AMD or Intel or does it matter? What is your budget?

Dual processor isn't going to help you as there are VERY few games written to take advantage of it and benchmarking didn't show much of a difference anyway.

[glc]

Dual processors do not double the speed - they still run at rated speed, they don't add together, they just share the load with operating systems and applications that support dual processors. What do you NEED 4+ Ghz for? Gotta have a better reason than bragging rights - and a deep wallet.

[thefultonhow]

Originally Posted by Amazin Caucasian I was wondering, for my new computer, how I can make it run 4+. Will a dual processor Motherboard get hte job done or will I have to modify something?

You might be able to do it with water cooling, but phase-change would get you more of a boost. Be prepared to spend a LOT of money, though. Also, raw GHz isn't all you need in a computer -- for gaming, a 3 GHz AMD or 2.7 Pentium-M can be faster. (Both would still be overclocked, though.)

[nicolaus corelius]

amd has the fastest CPU, but intel could go further when overcloced

[glc]

The speed in GHz is meaningless by itself - it depends on the specific processor architecture. If you want a fast, stable, reliable gaming machine, just get a higher end processor of whatever brand and type you want and ignore all the hype and speed numbers - and run it stock on a quality motherboard with quality components. Gaming performance is more dependent on ram quantity and video card power than raw CPU speed, and for doing schoolwork, an old Pentium 3 can do that just fine.

[Yuanji]

Originally Posted by thefultonhow You might be able to do it with water cooling, but phase-change would get you more of a boost. Be prepared to spend a LOT of money, though. Also, raw GHz isn't all you need in a computer -- for gaming, a 3 GHz AMD or 2.7 Pentium-M can be faster. (Both would still be overclocked, though.)

3ghz for AMD systems is sorta like the 4ghz barrier for P4s. if you can get to 3 ghz on an A64, you have bragging rights. Now in order for you to OC an intel proc past 4ghz, you need to pick a good proc, good OCing motherboard, good cooling, and RAM that will take you that far. i think the 640 can do 4+ghz it's the 3.2ghz on the newest line of P4s with speedstep and EMT64. if you want to build an OCing system say so.

[enhanced08]

i plan on pushing my system past 4GHz. i have the system in my sig but i just ordered a new 3.2 Prescott with the E0 stepping last night. i'm also getting some new RAM (thanks Tin!) and water cooling. i don't really need the power although i do game a good bit and do graphic editing but its more for bragging rights.

[04nmr85]

Originally Posted by Yuanji 3ghz for AMD systems is sorta like the 4ghz barrier for P4s. if you can get to 3 ghz on an A64, you have bragging rights. Now in order for you to OC an intel proc past 4ghz, you need to pick a good proc, good OCing motherboard, good cooling, and RAM that will take you that far. i think the 640 can do 4+ghz it's the 3.2ghz on the newest line of P4s with speedstep and EMT64. if you want to build an OCing system say so.

Don't forget a good quality Power Supply

[Yuanji]

Originally Posted by enhanced08dotcom i plan on pushing my system past 4GHz. i have the system in my sig but i just ordered a new 3.2 Prescott with the E0 stepping last night. i'm also getting some new RAM (thanks Tin!) and water cooling. i don't really need the power although i do game a good bit and do graphic editing but its more for bragging rights.

just be wary of the P4P/C series vcore droops. you will probably need to do a Vmod in order to push your chip to its highest potential.

[enhanced08]

yup, my VR's are in the mail! lol i'm also getting a DDR Booster for the RAM to get a little more voltage to it.

[Punked Out Comp]

On a side note, which AMD, when overclocked, is the fastest/most powerful?

[Yuanji]

people have taken FX-55s pretty far because of the unlocked multi and 3500+ can do good OCs. 3200+ and 3000+ oc about the same which i think is just a little less then 3500+.

[enhanced08]

isn't it the FX-53 or 55 the one with the WR right now at over 4Ghz??

[Amazin Caucasian]

Thanks, now I know not to bother with 4 Ghz. Any good suggestions on a motherboard or video card? What sort of power supply will I need? For processor which would be better for me as described in my original message AMD or INTEL?

[Yuanji]

AMD or Intel, it is up to you to decide. Intel has a slight lead in more professional applications and AMD has a lead in games and heavy arithmitic programs such as excel. we also need to know what your budget is for each component.

[Amazin Caucasian]

For motherboard max around 400, for processor max around 300, video card 300. I would like to spend less, who doesn't, but I want the quality to be worth the price.

[Yuanji]

400 on a motherboard? they don't exist.... AMD or intel? are you going to OC or not?

[Amazin Caucasian]

they dont exist? they are more expensive? i'm not sure how to overclock but if i figure it out most likely, im still deciding on AMD/Intel I think I might go with an Intel but Im not sure.

[thefultonhow]

Originally Posted by Amazin Caucasian they dont exist? they are more expensive?

Less expensive. You really only need to spend a max of $200 on the motherboard, and you should split the rest between the CPU and the video card (unless you go AMD, and then SLI would be a bigger boost than higher clock speed).

[enhanced08]

about the only $400 motherboard would be a server board or dual/quad cpus! most run about $100-200 at the most.

most expensive Intel on newegg: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...131-516&depa=0
most expensive AMD on newegg: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...136-151&depa=1

[Amazin Caucasian]

sweet, which board is the best buy, I know little of what the BIOS and SLI and ports mean or effect on the computer

[Tophinator]

i think the only way your going to achive this is with phase change cooling and a proc like a 2500 barton or 2.8 intel. It wont really run that fast but you will be able to achieve the numbers you want. Toms Hardware achieved 6Ghz by OCing a 2.8 Intel P4 I believe with phase cooling and a FSB of 100Mhz and multiplyer at 35.

Also if your doing this for performance dont expect much out of it. Theres a lot more to processors than just the speed of the clock that they run on. And if you do go for this, your going to end up with a more efficiant heater than processor.

[thefultonhow]

Originally Posted by Amazin Caucasian sweet, which board is the best buy, I know little of what the BIOS and SLI and ports mean or effect on the computer

If you want SLI, you should go with AMD. My personal preference is the Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe, but others have said that the MSI and DFI nForce4 SLI chipset boards are better for overclocking. Wait a couple of days for the Venice-core Athlon 64 3500+ or the San Diego-core 3800+. Those will give you the best overclocking performance.

[Amazin Caucasian]

by the way what is SLI. Is overclocking difficult? I'm pretty sure that I established that I am no longer stuck on the 4+ Ghz deal, but you are making a good point Tophinator. what bout video card?

[HAL9000]

SLI is when you use two video cards on one display (Scan Line Interleave). It was popular when 3DFX introduced it with thier voodoo series of cards. In their setup, one card scanned even lines of the screen while the other card scanned odd lines which theoretically doubled frame rates. SLI now is the same concept, except one card scans the top half of the screen, the other scans the bottom.

[Amazin Caucasian]

ok, is that the best thing to get when looking for a motherboard? So, I will need two video cards now? If so, will they both have to be the same?

[thefultonhow]

Originally Posted by Amazin Caucasian ok, is that the best thing to get when looking for a motherboard? So, I will need two video cards now? If so, will they both have to be the same?

If you want top-of-the-heap performance, SLI is the way to go. I would recommend getting one GeForce 6800GT ($400) now, and adding another later when you have the extra money.

[Amazin Caucasian]

but because the SLI has two video cards, one that handles the top and another that handles the lower half is it not imperative to have two video cards? For the GeForce would that be Nvidia or what? I have never overclocked before, should I try? What is a good SLI mobo?