Secondary IDE drive gone in Bios

[accordingi2ime]

Hi.
me again... ran in to another trouble.
I have
1 PATA hard drive
1 DVD Rom
1 DVD burner

when I go in to BIOS there is no secondary IDE.
theres primary masterand slave, 3rd 4th, but where is second?
but before going in to bios it is shown on screen like this along with this message "Warning! An Ultra ATA/66 (or faster) with a 40 pin IDE cable on the secondary channel. Drivespeed is downgraded to ultra ATA/33 mode"

pictures below

Also when I plug the hard drive in to Ultra ATA 133/100/66
It is recognized here
http://www.v6performance.net/gallery...2/DSC00331.JPG
but when I go in to bios, it's gone
http://www.v6performance.net/gallery...2/DSC00338.JPG

But when i plug the hard drive in to Ultra DMA 100/66 IDE
It is not recognized here
http://www.v6performance.net/gallery...2/DSC00332.JPG
but when I go in to Bios, it's here.
http://www.v6performance.net/gallery...2/DSC00334.JPG
I also get this message


what is the difference between Ultra ATA 133/100/66 and Ultra DMA 100/66 IDE? what should I use?

please help me with this.

thanks

[accordingi2ime]

anyone?

[Gizmo]

What type of ribbon cable are you using? 40-wire or 80-wire? If 40-wire, make sure the jumpers are set to Master/Slave. If 80-wire, make sure the jumpers are set to Cable Select.

[glc]

Please post your exact motherboard model. You have 2 controllers - one native to the motherboard chipset and one ITE controller (which is probably a RAID controller). They each have their own bios and do not talk to each other.

In your first set of pics, it appears that you have all 3 drives on the ITE. In the second set, you have the hard drive on the native controller and the opticals on the ITE.

With only 3 drives, I'd put them all on the native controller and disable the ITE controller.

The cable error you are getting is because your optical drives are on a standard 40 wire IDE cable, and your DVD burner is actually an ATA-66 device. Either ignore the error or use an 80 wire Ultra ATA cable.

[accordingi2ime]

Originally Posted by glc Please post your exact motherboard model. You have 2 controllers - one native to the motherboard chipset and one ITE controller (which is probably a RAID controller). They each have their own bios and do not talk to each other. In your first set of pics, it appears that you have all 3 drives on the ITE. In the second set, you have the hard drive on the native controller and the opticals on the ITE. With only 3 drives, I'd put them all on the native controller and disable the ITE controller. The cable error you are getting is because your optical drives are on a standard 40 wire IDE cable, and your DVD burner is actually an ATA-66 device. Either ignore the error or use an 80 wire Ultra ATA cable.

I have ASUS P5LD2 Deluxe

how would I put them all on native controller and disable ITE controller?

[glc]

Have you thoroughly read your manual?

Intel ICH7R South Bridge:
1 x UltraDMA 100/66/33
4 x Serial ATA (3Gb/s)
RAID 0, RAID 1, RAID 5, RAID 10 and Intel Matrix Storage technology.

ITE 8211F controller:
2 x UltraDMA 133/100/66 support two hard drives

Silicon Image 3132 Controller:
1 x Internal Serial ATA (3Gb/s
1 x External Serial ATA (3Gb/s)
RAID 0, RAID 1, JBOD, RAID 0, 1, 10, 5 with Additional Port Multiplier

The native (ICH7R) IDE controller is the blue one on its side. The ITE controls the 2 red ones.

The ITE does not support optical drives, only hard drives. The native controller only supports 2 drives. Therefore, put the 2 opticals on the native controller with an 80 wire cable, both drives jumpered to CS (cable select), and put the hard drive on the primary ITE, again, with an 80 wire cable and jumpered CS. Do not disable the ITE.

All the extra drives that the bios is looking for are the SATA connectors, the native controller supports 4 and the Sil 3132 (a third controller) supports 2 of them, one internal and one external. You can disable the Sil if you want (bios, advanced, onboard devices configuration).

[accordingi2ime]

Originally Posted by glc Have you thoroughly read your manual? Intel ICH7R South Bridge: 1 x UltraDMA 100/66/33 4 x Serial ATA (3Gb/s) RAID 0, RAID 1, RAID 5, RAID 10 and Intel Matrix Storage technology. ITE 8211F controller: 2 x UltraDMA 133/100/66 support two hard drives Silicon Image 3132 Controller: 1 x Internal Serial ATA (3Gb/s 1 x External Serial ATA (3Gb/s) RAID 0, RAID 1, JBOD, RAID 0, 1, 10, 5 with Additional Port Multiplier The native (ICH7R) IDE controller is the blue one on its side. The ITE controls the 2 red ones. The ITE does not support optical drives, only hard drives. The native controller only supports 2 drives. Therefore, put the 2 opticals on the native controller with an 80 wire cable, both drives jumpered to CS (cable select), and put the hard drive on the primary ITE, again, with an 80 wire cable and jumpered CS. Do not disable the ITE. All the extra drives that the bios is looking for are the SATA connectors, the native controller supports 4 and the Sil 3132 (a third controller) supports 2 of them, one internal and one external. You can disable the Sil if you want (bios, advanced, onboard devices configuration).

Thanks glC

now I get the optical drives but hard drive is gone bios look like this

Primary master - dvd rw
primary slave - dvd rom
third master - not detected
third slave - not detected
fourth master - not detected
fourth slave - not detected

[glc]

That's correct. The hard drive is going to show up in the ITE bios, not the main system bios. The main system bios only enumerates drives on the native ICH7R controller. The ITE controller must be enabled in the main system bios, same place you find the Sil controller enable/disable. In order to install Windows on the hard drive, you will need a floppy with the ITE drivers ready (the motherboard support CD has a make driver disk function for this in the autorun menu), press F6 when it prompts to install 3rd party storage drivers. This controller is just like any other non-native controller.

[accordingi2ime]

I can't find the option to enable ITE controller
http://www.v6performance.net/gallery...02DSC00340.JPG
http://www.v6performance.net/gallery...02DSC00339.JPG
http://www.v6performance.net/gallery...02DSC00341.JPG
http://www.v6performance.net/gallery...2/DSC00342.JPG

would it be better if i got an SATA hard drive?

[grievingexistence]

its on your second pic.. seventh one down.. ITE8211F

[accordingi2ime]

ooh i got it. thanks.
I think I got it.
Thanks.

If I get the SATA.
How would I set it up?

SATA hard drive to sata connector
optical just the way it is right now?

[accordingi2ime]

Thanks everyone I got it. installed windows and everything is working fine.
Thanks again.
but how come my dvd rw drive is displayed as CD drive on my computer?

[glc]

All opticals show up as CD drives - it's software that makes it a burner.

[banjo]

I've been researcing an ITE controller problem, and discovered this older thread. I am working with an ASUS P5GD1-VM board, and am not seeing hard drives (one master, one slave) on the second PCI IDE (PRI_PCIIDE1) bus.

My manual states:
"If you attach any IDE or ATAPI device to the PRI_PCIIDE1 connector, prepare a driver disk with the ITE 8211F controller before installing the operating system."

GLC wrote:
"In order to install Windows on the hard drive, you will need a floppy with the ITE drivers ready (the motherboard support CD has a make driver disk function for this in the autorun menu), press F6 when it prompts to install 3rd party storage drivers. This controller is just like any other non-native controller."

I assume I have to do something similar, however my board is a refurb that came without a cd. I would be much obliged if someone could post or email the driver to me.

I am less clear about what I do with the disk driver. Do I leave it permanently on a floppy? Do I copy it to each disk that is mounted on the PRI_PCIIDE1 bus?

I plan to run various unix-flavored OS on this machine, never Windows. Does this disk driver assume the installed OS will be a Windows-flavor, and if so, is there a separate solution for the unix world?

In my Advance BIOS settings, as describe in the Onboard Device Configuration in the manual, I have checked that the ITE IDE Controller is enabled. There is a Detecting Device Time option, described as:

"Sets the ITE 8211F detecting device time. If the devices installed on the IDE connectors cannot be detected, set this item to Standard Mode to enable complete detecting process"

The other option is QuickMode. I have tried both QuickMode and Standard, and my drives are note detected, although I don't know whether I have a right to expect results without addressing the disk driver issue.

Thanks, -Joe

[jayb1234]

You can download any drivers you need from ASUS at this page.

[banjo]

Originally Posted by jayb1234 You can download any drivers you need from ASUS at this page.

The following looks like the only likely candidate on the ASUS download page

ITE 8211 RAID controller 64-bit driver v1.3.2.0 (WHQL).

It is specifically listed for OS: WinXP 64bit / Win2003 64bit, and not for "All" OS. I downloaded it and confirmed that the driver requires a Microsoft OS to do the installation.

I suspect I need something which will install a separate BIOS for the ITE 8211.

-Joe

[glc]

No, you do not need to install a bios, you just need to enable the controller in the bios. To install Unix, you need an installer that can see that controller and be able to deal with it. Asus will not have anything that will help you there, all they have drivers for is Windows.

[banjo]

Dear glc,

Originally Posted by glc No, you do not need to install a bios, you just need to enable the controller in the bios. To install Unix, you need an installer that can see that controller and be able to deal with it. Asus will not have anything that will help you there, all they have drivers for is Windows.

As best I am aware, I have enabled the controller in the bios:

Originally Posted by banjo In my Advance BIOS settings, as describe in the Onboard Device Configuration in the manual, I have checked that the ITE IDE Controller is enabled. There is a Detecting Device Time option, described as: "Sets the ITE 8211F detecting device time. If the devices installed on the IDE connectors cannot be detected, set this item to Standard Mode to enable complete detecting process"

I've tried both QuickMode and Standard Mode. In neither case does my bios autodetect the drives on my second bus. Should I expect bios autodetection of the drives on my second bus if all is working?

As far as installing unix, I am using partitions on the hard drive of my primary controller that the bios does see for my OS. I do not have any issues as far as installing my unix OS. I would, however like to use the drives on my second bus for data storage. If I've understood your advice, even with correct bios settings, I will need a unix disk driver that knows how to communicate with the ITE controller.

Thanks for sharing your expertise.
Joe

[glc]

Should I expect bios autodetection of the drives on my second bus if all is working?

I'm not sure about that. There may be a submenu somewhere in the bios to see what's on the ITE. I believe all you are going to see on the POST screen is what's on the Intel ICH.

I will need a unix disk driver that knows how to communicate with the ITE controller.

I believe that is correct.