Vintage 370s

[The_YongGrand]

Okay - I will get one of these 2nd hand 370s just as a backup PC and maybe a low-capacity Linux system.

I just know that these processors actually come with various types - the Mendocino and Tualatin. How can I differentiate all of these?

And can my old power supply which is from my current Sempron 64 rig works with the Socket 370 board? (it is 20 pins of course).

[Cricket]

Originally Posted by The_YongGrand I just know that these processors actually come with various types - the Mendocino and Tualatin. How can I differentiate all of these?

Mendocino? You looking for Celerons? Well, the Mendocino will have half the L2 cache of the Tualatin (128K vs. 256K).

Oh, don't forget about the Coppermine core Socket 370 processors.

Originally Posted by The_YongGrand And can my old power supply which is from my current Sempron 64 rig works with the Socket 370 board? (it is 20 pins of course).

Yes, it should work fine. For the Socket 370 motherboards with a Celeron you can easily run a system like that with a 250 watt PSU.

Cricket

[rjfvillarosa]

I have an old 733 coppermine 370 with a gig of ram in an old tower running XP that I use almost everyday and it runs very sweetly, despite the loss of two motherboards and countless modems from lightning strikes that old coppermine is running great.

[glc]

Mendocino is the original Slot 1 Celeron. The most common 370 is Coppermine.

[The_YongGrand]

I see.

I heard that the Celerons Socket 370 are very poor performers in terms of gaming - is that true?

And the 370s processors are not that hot compared to AMD's Durons right?

[Cricket]

Originally Posted by The_YongGrand I heard that the Celerons Socket 370 are very poor performers in terms of gaming - is that true?

At the time they were current I think they could probably handle most games out at the time as long as the system had a good video card. But you wouldn't want to use a Socket 370 Celeron to play modern games...it would choke.

Originally Posted by The_YongGrand And the 370s processors are not that hot compared to AMD's Durons right?

Yes, the Socket 370 processors didn't run that hot.

Celerons would actually perform pretty well in business type computers that do office type stuff...they weren't meant to be top end performers to begin with.

Cricket

[chuck4456]

I'm still running a Coppermine in one of mine - 600mhz/512 with XP No Less!!! It creeps along, but rolls on like an old Peugeot Diesel! They're tough enough.

[freakitchen]

I have two socket 370s - a celeron 800 with 128MB RAM, and a Pentium 900 with 256 RAM - both running Win 2K. The pentium system is useable as an internet machine, but the celeron crawls along (most likely due to lack of RAM I suppose).

I don't think I could use either as my main system without getting frustrated!

FK

[glc]

No 370 is going to be a good gamer any more, regardless of specs. They still make fine office and general use boxes though. The strongest common 370's are the higher speed Coppermine P3's and the Tualatin Celerons. Tualatin P3's are scarce and expensive when you do find them. Coppermine Celerons are hampered by the small L2 cache.

[The_YongGrand]

I see.

Just wondering whether these can still do Half-Life Classic or maybe Warcraft II. I wouldn't want to try running Windows Xp on these S370 machines, but maybe Windows 2000 would be very ideal.

Are these Socket 370s going to be not much faster than the Socket As?

[glc]

The fastest 370 processor ever made was 1.4 GHz. Therefore, any Athlon XP will be faster, the equivalent Socket A processors are the classic Athlons. You also have ram limitations on 370 boards - depending on chipset, 512mb to 1gb is all you can put in. There are also no 8x AGP boards and some only do 2x. Remember, we are talking about 8 year old technology here.

[The_YongGrand]

Are Socket 370 systems always based on Intel 810 chipsets? That means the technology of S370 is almost 8 years old, as I've read in a newspaper long time ago that Intel will release the chipset that will support 4x AGP, and also some new stuff inside, like higher FSBs, back in November '99.

Were the S370 systems discontinued after 2003? I heard that S370 is there for almost 2-3 years after the release, but then when the 1st batch of P4s are released, many customers are STILL purchasing S370 systems rather than the P4s itself. Is it true?

[Cricket]

Originally Posted by The_YongGrand Are Socket 370 systems always based on Intel 810 chipsets?

No. The 815 and 820 also supported Socket 370 as well as chipsets from ALi, SIS and VIA.

Originally Posted by The_YongGrand That means the technology of S370 is almost 8 years old,

Yep.

Originally Posted by The_YongGrand Were the S370 systems discontinued after 2003?

That sounds about right...but it may have been 2002.

Originally Posted by The_YongGrand I heard that S370 is there for almost 2-3 years after the release, but then when the 1st batch of P4s are released, many customers are STILL purchasing S370 systems rather than the P4s itself. Is it true?

Sure. Anytime a new family of processor is released the previous family will still be available for some time. Look at the current state of affairs...the dual core processors are out (including Conroe) but you can still get single core P4s and build a system around it if you want to.

Cricket

[faulkner132]

Originally Posted by The_YongGrand Just wondering whether these can still do Half-Life Classic or maybe Warcraft II.

Back in the day I played Warcraft II on a 486, so absolutely.
Half-Life Classic played well on a 400 Mhz machine (I never played this, but knew people who did), so you should be fine for both.

[glc]

We have to differentiate between the PPGA and FC-PGA Socket 370's to talk about Intel chipsets. The PPGA was the original Celerons. They were supported by the Intel 440 series chipsets - the LX, BX, EX, and ZX. They were 66 FSB. Now, the FC-PGA (Coppermine) in 66 and 100 FSB was supported by the 440BX, later revisions. The 810 supported 66 and 100, the 810E added 133. The 815 supported it all, with the later 815's also supporting Tualatin. The 820 was strictly slot 1.