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09-28-2006, 03:46 PM
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Asus OC Program
Well its called asus ai booster its an overclocking program for asus, does it work good? ive been messign with it a lil bit. Is using that program a good way to go if your a semi noob at overclocking?
I want to overclock my amd 3700 its stock is 2.2 but i somehow managed to get it up to 2.4 (By turnign the External frequency in settings up .20 frequency) I dont know if this is the right way to do this, but i kept it at 2.4 for about 8 months and im pretty sure it was stable, but im not seeing a big performance boost. I just turned cpu voltage from 1.4000 to 1.4500, is that necessary?
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09-28-2006, 06:37 PM
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best way to do what you want is to use 3 programs and use the bios settings for overclocking and forget about the AI booster...
I use these programs... Memtest86 v1.5 Prime95 Cpu-z Super pi 3dMark 05 now first thing I would do is use memtest off the ultimate boot cd as you can boot from the cd and use it...much faster than the floppy version... while in the bios drop the cpu multiplier to 9 boot to Memtest and use test #8 and start testing the ram to see how high you can get it before it errors... bump the FSB/HTT up from 200 to 205 and test...run 4-6 passes of test #8 if you get no errors bump it another 5 and restest... keep doing this till you get errors.. when you do.... bump the ram voltage a notch to see if the errors go away or lessen... if they go away...bump another 5 and retest.... If they lessen..bump a little more and retest...depending what ram you have I wouldn't go over 2.9v on the ram... once you get errors and can get no higher subtract 5 mhz and that is kinda your magic number on the ram... now play with the cpu...use the 10 multi to see how far you can get the cpu...if you dont want higher FSB then use the 11 (default I thinks).... now try booting at 220x10 (if your ram didnt make it that high put it on a divider...180 if you have it if not use the 166 divider...) if you boot succesfully run CPU-Z... check the setting in there... on the cpu tab it will tell you the HT frequency... keep an eye on that... dont let it go much over 1000ht when it gets close to 1000 the drop the multi...5 is default...4 will be good to 250fsb/htt if it feels ok.. run prime95 on blend... run it for say 1/2 hour... if it's still running bump up the fsb/htt by 10 (230x10) retest... you may or may not need to increase vcore... you'll know when you need to..prime will error and adjusting the vcore may help.... you should be able to hit 270x10...(250x11=2750) most of those will do 2.7 no problem... keep and eye on temps...i'd say 50c is the limit... and I wouldnt go much higher than 1.55vcore.... some 3700's will do 2.8-2.9... I did my rig in 4 hours... then ran prime for 10 after that... if you get where you feel safe... run prime95...give a pass of super pi 1M and 32M and 3dmark... if it dont crash during all those... then then finishes at least 8 hours of prime...I'd say it's stable...
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09-29-2006, 01:53 PM
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How would i create a bootable disk i tried once and it diddnt work, i extracted memtest to anew folder than burned memtest image file to a disk using create data cd in nero. is that right?
Im my boot device priority i set it so it was cdrom Dard disk then removable. Is this right? |
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09-29-2006, 03:43 PM
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09-29-2006, 05:45 PM
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Yes i can download one from that sight but i dont understand what to download and what to do with it. I tried using my nero program to burn a bootable cd rom and then i burned the image file i got after i downloaded memtest and extracted it. I put it on the disk with the default settings and such ( such as floppy emultation or w/e) and it just starts to load and then doesnt do anything. It never loads. I ran out of cds so i reverted to makign a bootable dvd and that did the same thing, floppy seems easier but i dont have a floppy drive. Can anyone just completely walk me through making a bootable memtest dvd, i have nero. Or just gimme a link to a place with good dirrections. Thank you
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09-29-2006, 06:32 PM
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best tool you can use...
Download the "UltimateBootDisk" from the dot com download it...then I use Nero express... open nero express then click disk image... find the download open it and burn it to a cd... it will boot much faster than a floppy and there is alot of other tools on there you mite use... re-reading your thread... make sure you use nero express...then on the bottom right...click disk image or saved project... link to boot cd.... http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ Last edited by MaxRat; 09-29-2006 at 06:35 PM. |
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09-29-2006, 07:28 PM
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Slow down a little bit. Don't try to it all at once.
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09-29-2006, 09:06 PM
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I really appreciate all ur help guys, i got the ubcd to work im jsut still a noob when it comes to overclocking. Maxrat u said i need to bump ub the FSB/HTT up, i really cant find that. i have checked my whole bios. Please remember i am a noob, i admit to it. Also test 8 takes about 15 minutes, is that right? I have read allot of stickis but for soemr eason i still dotn undrstand most of this, im gonna do more research and maybe eventually i will understand. Thanks.
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09-30-2006, 07:25 AM
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ok...
In you bios you should see the settings for the cpu and such...cpu frequency it will say 200 then you will see cpu multiplier... those are the settings you want...the cpu frequency may be called something else on your board... I dont have a Asus board here to check settings on.... But if you put a link to Your manual for your exact board that maybe a little more help full... settings you will need to know from the start... cpu frequency cpu mulitplier LDT multiplier (hyper transport) Memory frequency (for divider purpose) and of coarse the voltage setting for cpu, ram, LDT, and chipset.... Hopefully your bios is better layed out then the last Asus I did... The M2N-E bios is the worst layed out bios I have been in to date... it nothing like any current board... |
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09-30-2006, 07:36 AM
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You can go here
http://support.asus.com/download/dow...Language=en-us For product type enter in motherboard For Series Enter in Socket 939 For model put in A8N5X After that click on manuel then download from wherever. Sorry i couldnt get dirrect link, the website wouldnt let me. Thank you. |
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09-30-2006, 08:09 AM
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Ok read it...
bios layout is not my favorite... Advanced tab.... Dram configuration.... set to manual.... Overclock profile... set to manual.... cpu settings in here... Ht frequency...5 stock.... 4 to 250...250 and above use 3 verify speed with cpu-z Cool and quiet...disable for overclocking...may or may not work in overclocked state... Max mem clock...this is for your divider...200mhz is 1:1...select lower for keeping ram in a stable frequency....(find limit with memtest) set dram timing to Manual....and go with that for now... that will get you going... |
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09-30-2006, 08:23 AM
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"Max mem clock...this is for your divider...200mhz is 1:1...select lower for keeping ram in a stable frequency....(find limit with memtest)"
When u say this im a little confused, do u mean check my with memtest to see how low i can go, or how high i can go? Or is it both? |
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09-30-2006, 09:21 AM
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you up the cpu frequency and test with memtest... when you error you either try upping the vdimm alittle (ram voltage) or Lower the mem clock...
you can see the ram freqency in memtest or when booted to windows and checked with cpu-z.... |
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10-01-2006, 01:02 PM
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Ok i have read allot of stuff over the past 2 days, i am gonna write my own guide of my understandings and ask the questions i am unsure of.
Part 1 of 3 1. Testing limit of HTT First set my cpu multiplier to 6x Then put my memory to its lowest divider (Question: 200 Memclock index value, lowest in my bios, is this the correct thing to change?) Then i begin raising the FSB in increments of 5 with the FSB/HTT Multiplier set to 5x. (Question: In my bios is Cpu Frequency my FSB? And also where is my FSB/HTT multiplier and what is it called) Then after i find my limit that i can get the FSB up to without bsod or any Failing of any test (Question: What test should i run? should i run memtest test # 5 or 8? Or just superpi 32m?) I then Test with FSB/HTT Multiplier at 5x to get my max HTT, then i test at 3x on the FSB/HTT Multipier to get my max FSB (Question: please remember i cant find the FSB/HTT multiplier can u please tell me where it is and what its called in my specific bios) Then when im all done with that do i turn my setting up to the max that i found and then run a cpl passes of superpi 32m? if it fails back of my FSB another 5mhz, then retest? (Question: do i turn my settings up to the max i found? ) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ You can go here to see my mobo manuel http://support.asus.com/download/dow...Language=en-us For product type enter in motherboard For Series Enter in Socket 939 For model put in A8N5X After that click on manuel then download from wherever. Sorry i couldnt get dirrect link, the website wouldnt let me. |
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10-01-2006, 01:59 PM
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you HTT multi maybe called LDT multi...and if I remember correctly it's in a stupid place you wouldnt thing to look...
You also need to lock the PCI-E to 100mhz...I think the LDT multi is under that... yes to the Memclock Q... you will find you wont hit the max setting on either of the cpu and ram at the same time but a lower level of both... If you can hit 280mhz on the ram and 300mhz on the cpu... combined you may only hit 275mhz... |
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10-01-2006, 02:18 PM
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Cpl questions
Is FSB also refered to as CPU Frequency? Is Memclock index considered my memory divider? Lowest value is 200mhz And i found an option called Hyper Transport Frequency, is this my FSB/HTT multiplier? The options are Auto, 1x,2x,3x,4x,5x. (i diddnt have an option called LDT Multi) Last edited by J_ZeFF; 10-01-2006 at 02:24 PM. |
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10-01-2006, 04:04 PM
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I also cant find where to bump up the ram voltages, in my power settings tab for example my only options for v-core are 1.47v or ignore. Where can i find the ram voltage at?
And y cant i put my memory divider (memclock index value) any lower than 200? doesnt that mean that i cant get my divider any less than 1:1? Last edited by J_ZeFF; 10-01-2006 at 04:20 PM. |
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10-01-2006, 05:38 PM
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Well on my first part i was able to get the FSB from 200mhz to 250mhs my ram voltages had to be moved up about 2.5 volts, is this considered a good start, if i put any settings any higher it wouldnt alow me to get into bios and would just shutdown when it got to windows. So i think that 250 might be the fsb limit atm, any advice?
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10-01-2006, 06:12 PM
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not the limit of your pc.... just the limit of your knowledge....
1st thing I would do is go thru every single page in the bios and become more familiar with it... to go from 200 to 250 is a big step for a new comer to overclocking...so you're doing ok... Now you need to figure out how to get that ram on the divider... You will see a timming option for the ram speed... it will probably be set to auto... you will just have to check all the option...Hit enter on them to see what options it gives you for changing them... You will see Auto the 200mhz the something less like 166mhz then 133mhz... those are your ram dividers or it will show like 1/1, 9/10, 5/6, 4/5 or so.... just select the next less one.... Your bios is not layed out overclocking friendly... meaning the important setting are scattered all over the place...Asus is about the only board I have used that does this... You are on the right track just keep looking and Testing is the important key.... if it boots...memtest it... make sure it's error free...if you have ram issues and boot it you can corrupt your windows install...or worse scramble your bios... But Asus makes it easy to recover the bios... so just keep going slow... and word for help...post the settings you changed... what you changed it from to what you changed it to... then when in windows run prime95 on blend... you run 1 instance for each core...good luck Edit...post your CPU fsb and multi together.. when you tell me you're at 250 then 250 x what??? if you're at 250x11 then your about your max...as that would be 2750mhz and that about the limit of the 3700 now if you're at 250x10... well thats pretty good to if it's stable..... what I do is bench it at each setting... you need to run all the benchies you like at stock and compare them to where you end up... say for instance...compare 250x11 to 275x10 if you make it that far... with all benchies and stability... for me my Super Pi was faster at 255x11 with ram 1:1 at 2-3-3-6 then it was at 280x10 at 3-4-4-8 but it was only 200 milisecond slower... but i was 2000 higher in bandwidth... so 280 x 10 was faster... but for me... it's all worthless... internet is no faster at 300x10 than it is at 200x11... And I encode video and the same hold true for that... I gain on every aspect of my pc by overclocking except the Hard drive...I sustain a 61mb/s transfer rate thru out... Last edited by MaxRat; 10-01-2006 at 06:23 PM. |
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10-01-2006, 06:42 PM
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You will see Auto the 200mhz the something less like 166mhz then 133mhz... those are your ram dividers or it will show like 1/1, 9/10, 5/6, 4/5 or so.... just select the next less one....
In that setting there is nothing lower than 200, i dont know y, but i cant go any lower. (even in my mobo manual there is nothing lower than 200) And also my v-core in bios is only about 1.4 volts? that seems low, the only other option when i go to change it is hide, how can i change it? And the 250 i gave u earlier was just the number i got with my cpu multi in 6x, i was still in the first stage of oc'ing. |
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10-01-2006, 06:46 PM
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sounds like it's not the right option... set the ram options to "Manual" where you can... it may turn other option to ones you can change....
sorry I cant help more..I dont have a Asus board here to play with...Now if it were a DFI or Abit or MSI or something thats another story... 
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10-01-2006, 06:54 PM
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Coppied dirrectly from manual, this is what im talking about.
Max Memclock (MHz)(AUTO) Sets the maximum operating memory clock. Configuration options: (auto) DDR200 DDR266 DDR333 DDR400 DDR433 DDR466 DDR500 DR533 DDR550 DDR600 And i do undrstand y u cant help too much When i leave it at auto it sets it to 333 Last edited by J_ZeFF; 10-01-2006 at 06:58 PM. |
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10-01-2006, 07:19 PM
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Ok thats what i needed...
It post it already doubled...200x's 2 =400...so for manual it should be 400...so manually set it at 333mhz... Assuming you have ddr400...then leave the cpu multi at 6....LDT/HTT multi 3... ram volts 2.6-2.7 Then memtest the ram to see how high it will go.... On the ram timings page where the ram timing are make sure to select "Manual" for timings or the bios will keep loosening as you raise the fsb.... your board may be defaulting to 333mhz on the ram because it's only running them at 2.5v let me check sig...okay...it's setting it at 333mhz because you have 4 stick of ram....if you read the book it will tell you it will do that... sometimes you can get it to run at 400mhz default by running them at a command rate of 2T just leave them at 333 and test them with memtest to see how far you can go... you might have to raise the vdimm up to and over 2.8-2.9.... I wouldnt got any higher... you might use some sort of fan on the ram while memtesting them as they will get hot... just see if you can feel heat off them while they are testing...if they feel overly warm cool them.... once you find the max on the ram post back... then we can work on everything else..if you can get to say 260fsb then post into windows if you can at 250x10 (try 11 but you may need more vcore...1.5or so) LDT at 250 would be 4.... then prime it to see if you can pass it... if you can for 8 hour then you can go from there if not... then we'll have to try some thing else... EDIT:...once you get into windows post your cpu-z specs... cpu fsb, vcore and memory speed and timmings... that will help...Also...I wouldnt put much faith in the PSU you have...For over clocking i would strongly recomend a better one... at least a good OCZ unit... a 600 or 700watt gamers extreme unit would be good...cheaper power supplies have a tendancy to pop when overclocking a rig...and sometimes taking the system with it... Last edited by MaxRat; 10-01-2006 at 07:32 PM. |
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10-01-2006, 08:23 PM
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Ok will do asap but i dont have any more time tonight, asap tho, maybe tomorrow. Even tho i dont rly uderstand exactly what you just said i will try it
And what if i dont have ddr400 ram, how can i figue out if i do? will Everest show me that?Also what is vdimm? And also my bios wont let me change vcore. Only options are what it is awlready set at, and then hide or something like that. Last edited by J_ZeFF; 10-01-2006 at 08:29 PM. |
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10-01-2006, 09:23 PM
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vdimm is the ram voltage...
As for the cpu voltage it wont let you change it unless you select manual in another setting I believe... Trust me...once you get the hang of that bios...all others will be a breeze... pull the ram out and read the stickers... they should all be the same for overclocking.... all same part numbers also...or you can run into stability problems.... |
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10-02-2006, 02:21 PM
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I everest under device discription where it shows my ram type all 4 of them are the same Corsair VS512mb400
But a little bit down where it says Memory timings there are 2 different ones, One is @200mhz 2.5-3-3-3 Other is @133mhz 2.0-2-2-6 Field Value Memory Module Properties Module Name Corsair VS512MB400 Serial Number 42F91E00h Module Size 512 MB (1 rank, 4 banks) Module Type Unbuffered Memory Type DDR SDRAM Memory Speed PC3200 (200 MHz) Module Width 64 bit Module Voltage SSTL 2.5 Error Detection Method None Refresh Rate Reduced (7.8 us), Self-Refresh Memory Timings @ 200 MHz 2.5-3-3-8 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) @ 133 MHz 2.0-2-2-6 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) Memory Module Features Early RAS# Precharge Not Supported Auto-Precharge Not Supported Precharge All Not Supported Write1/Read Burst Not Supported Buffered Address/Control Inputs Not Supported Registered Address/Control Inputs Not Supported On-Card PLL (Clock) Not Supported Buffered DQMB Inputs Not Supported Registered DQMB Inputs Not Supported Differential Clock Input Supported Redundant Row Address Not Supported Memory Module Manufacturer Company Name Corsair Memory, Inc. Product Information http://www.corsairmemory.com/corsair/products.html Is this all ok? |
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10-02-2006, 08:40 PM
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I would manually set the timings in bios to reflect this...set them all at 2.5-3-3-8 and see what happens...also try bumping the ram voltage to 2.6
you'll do better if all sticks are the same timings... |
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10-02-2006, 08:43 PM
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2.5-3-3-8
Could you please tell me what these numbers are for, like what each number represents, sorry im a nob, lol. Just checked bios and the first one is set to 2.5 but in everest it still says some are different....... I dont know what the 3-3-8 represent tho. Last edited by J_ZeFF; 10-02-2006 at 08:55 PM. |
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10-02-2006, 08:58 PM
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full everest thing
Device Description
DIMM1: Corsair VS512MB400 DIMM2: Corsair VS512MB400 DIMM3: Corsair VS512MB400 DIMM4: Corsair VS512MB400 For #1 Field Value Memory Module Properties Module Name Corsair VS512MB400 Serial Number None Module Size 512 MB (2 ranks, 4 banks) Module Type Unbuffered Memory Type DDR SDRAM Memory Speed PC3200 (200 MHz) Module Width 64 bit Module Voltage SSTL 2.5 Error Detection Method None Refresh Rate Reduced (7.8 us), Self-Refresh Memory Timings @ 200 MHz 2.5-3-3-8 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) Memory Module Features Early RAS# Precharge Not Supported Auto-Precharge Not Supported Precharge All Not Supported Write1/Read Burst Not Supported Buffered Address/Control Inputs Not Supported Registered Address/Control Inputs Not Supported On-Card PLL (Clock) Not Supported Buffered DQMB Inputs Not Supported Registered DQMB Inputs Not Supported Differential Clock Input Supported Redundant Row Address Not Supported Memory Module Manufacturer Company Name Corsair Memory, Inc. Product Information http://www.corsairmemory.com/corsair/products.html For #2 EXACTLY THE SAME AS #1 For #3 Field Value Memory Module Properties Module Name Corsair VS512MB400 Serial Number 42F91E00h Module Size 512 MB (1 rank, 4 banks) Module Type Unbuffered Memory Type DDR SDRAM Memory Speed PC3200 (200 MHz) Module Width 64 bit Module Voltage SSTL 2.5 Error Detection Method None Refresh Rate Reduced (7.8 us), Self-Refresh Memory Timings @ 200 MHz 2.5-3-3-8 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) @ 133 MHz 2.0-2-2-6 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) Memory Module Features Early RAS# Precharge Not Supported Auto-Precharge Not Supported Precharge All Not Supported Write1/Read Burst Not Supported Buffered Address/Control Inputs Not Supported Registered Address/Control Inputs Not Supported On-Card PLL (Clock) Not Supported Buffered DQMB Inputs Not Supported Registered DQMB Inputs Not Supported Differential Clock Input Supported Redundant Row Address Not Supported Memory Module Manufacturer Company Name Corsair Memory, Inc. Product Information http://www.corsairmemory.com/corsair/products.html For #4 EXACTLY THE SAME AS 3 Notice how 1 and 2 are the same, and 3 and 4 are the same, wierd in my oppinion..... |
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10-03-2006, 06:40 AM
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yep....2.5 is the Cas latency timing of the ram itself...the others are
Ras to cas delay (trcd) Row precharge time (trp) Min ras# act time (tras) if you read the definative dfi overclocking sticky up top there is a place in it that decribes timnings and what they do....but clear your head first...it's alot of info...
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