Do I need To Adjust File Cache ????????

[sportie]

Hello

I Installed my 4x128meg PC100 168pin DIMM-Hyundai Double sided today woweee so far ok, Im concerned about the test I did today reads as follows WARNING


Adjust file cache

This system may encounter a Windows bug that causes spurious and incorrect "Not enough memory available to run this program" messages to appear, even though it has 512MB of memory installed



Windows Configuration

Description Your Results
Common Name Windows 98
Full Version Windows 98 4.10.1998
First Install Fri May 4 2001
Free Resources 81%
Fonts Installed 48
Windows Scripting Version 5.1.0.4615
CPU Load 1%
MaxPhysPage Limit No Limit
Min File Cache None
Max File Cache None
Swap File Status Enabled
Min Swap File None
Max Swap File None


Processor

Description Your Results
Brand/Model Intel Pentium II with MMX
Nominal Clock Speed 350 MHz
Measured Clock Speed 361 MHz
External Clock Speed 66 MHz
CPUID Information 0x0651 0x183F9FF
CPU Load 1%
Level 1 Cache 32 KB
Level 2 Cache 512 KB
Speed Rating 1044 (106% of 22115 similar)

Memory Configuration

Description Results
RAM installed 512 MB
Windows RAM 512 MB
Total RAM slots 4
Available RAM slots 0
Max RAM module size 128 MB
Memory Type |DIMM|SDRAM|
Level 1 Cache 32 KB
Level 2 Cache 512 KB
Chipset Intel 82443BX
Speed Rating 607 MB/s (104% of 22115 similar)


Disk Drive Letters

These are drive letters associated with hard disk drives. This list does not include drive letters for floppy disks or other removable media such as CD-ROM, DVD, Zip or Jaz drives.

Description Drive C
Partition format FAT32
Cluster size 4 KB
Drive label DRIVE_C
Size 6184 MB
Free space 4868 MB (79%)
Drive health OK
Last scan Tue Sep 4 +1000 2001
Data fragmentation 1%
File fragmentation 1%
Last defrag Tue Sep 4 +1000 2001
Junk files 100 MB (2%)
Cached speed 70.85 MB/s (114%)
Uncached speed 1.91 MB/s (90%)





Would appreciate some help


Thanks

[TdM]

Still works doesn't it?


well leave it well alone until something actually goes wrong with it and then worry about it...

[sportie]

yeah rite

No need to shout TdM

[TdM]

Sorry man bad morning I'm calm now....

[Toaster]

Edit the system.ini file and look for the following entry in the 386enh section.
Maxfilecache=xxx
Minfilecache=xxx

If either do not exist, you may wish to enter the following:
(these values MUST appear in the 386enh section, if you do NOT see such a section, do nothing)

Maxfilecache=10240 (this number represents 10MB)
Minfilecache=3072 (again, in MB)


The Maxfilecache value is the largest file cache the O/S will set-up.
The Minfilecache is the smallest the O/S will use.

What you should do:
Remove 256MB leaving 256MB. Micky$oft can't use efficiently amounts in excess of 256MB.

[glc]

Windows can use 512 mb before running into Vcache problems.

You might want to read this thread.

http://forum.pcmech.com/showthread.php?threadid=13535

[sportie]

Hi Peoples

So What reads in the article and from microsoft is that I can accur problems if ram is higher than 512 etc but since I have 512 should be ok change settings only if I get warnings.

glc what do you suggest to in file cache.

Thanks for all the suggestions

I copied and pasted from my System INI

[boot]
oemfonts.fon=vgaoem.fon
system.drv=system.drv
drivers=mmsystem.dll power.drv
shell=Explorer.exe
user.exe=user.exe
gdi.exe=gdi.exe
sound.drv=mmsound.drv
dibeng.drv=dibeng.dll
comm.drv=comm.drv
mouse.drv=mouse.drv
keyboard.drv=keyboard.drv
*DisplayFallback=0
fonts.fon=vgasys.fon
fixedfon.fon=vgafix.fon
386Grabber=vgafull.3gr
display.drv=pnpdrvr.drv

[keyboard]
keyboard.dll=
oemansi.bin=
subtype=
type=4

[boot.description]
system.drv=Standard PC
keyboard.typ=Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard
mouse.drv=Standard mouse
aspect=100,96,96
display.drv=Intel740 Win9x PV4.0

[386Enh]
ebios=*ebios
woafont=dosapp.fon
mouse=*vmouse, msmouse.vxd
device=*dynapage
device=*vcd
device=*vpd
device=*int13
keyboard=*vkd
display=*vdd,*vflatd

[NonWindowsApp]
TTInitialSizes=4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 18 20 22

[power.drv]

[drivers]
msvideo=gfxnull.drv
wavemapper=*.drv
MSACM.imaadpcm=*.acm
MSACM.msadpcm=*.acm
wave=mmsystem.dll
midi=mmsystem.dll

[iccvid.drv]

[mciseq.drv]

[mci]
cdaudio=mcicda.drv
sequencer=mciseq.drv
waveaudio=mciwave.drv
avivideo=mciavi.drv
videodisc=mcipionr.drv
vcr=mcivisca.drv
MPEGVideo=mciqtz.drv
MPEGVideo2=mciqtz.drv

[vcache]

[MSNP32]

[Display]


[drivers32]
msacm.lhacm=lhacm.acm
msacm.msg723=msg723.acm
vidc.M263=msh263.drv
vidc.M261=msh261.drv
VIDC.IV50=ir50_32.dll
msacm.iac2=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\IAC25_32.AX
msacm.msaudio1=msaud32.acm
VIDC.YUY2=ir41_32.ax
VIDC.IV41=ir41_32.ax
msacm.sl_anet=sl_anet.acm
msacm.voxacm160=vct3216.acm
msacm.l3acm=C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\L3CODECA.ACM
vidc.CVID=iccvid.dll
VIDC.IV31=ir32_32.dll
VIDC.IV32=ir32_32.dll
vidc.MSVC=msvidc32.dll
VIDC.MRLE=msrle32.dll
msacm.msg711=msg711.acm
MSACM.imaadpcm=imaadp32.acm
MSACM.msadpcm=msadp32.acm
MSACM.msgsm610=msgsm32.acm
MSACM.trspch=tssoft32.acm

[TTFontDimenCache]
0 4=2 4
0 5=3 5
0 6=4 6
0 7=4 7
0 8=5 8
0 9=5 9
0 10=6 10
0 11=7 11
0 12=7 12
0 13=8 13
0 14=8 14
0 15=9 15
0 16=10 16
0 18=11 18
0 20=12 20
0 22=13 22

[Bubba's Dad]

Go to run, sysedit, win.ini and on the next line below [vcache] enter
maxfilecache=xxxxx
with the xxxx's equaling the total amount of space you want dedicated
be sture to save the edited file and reboot your system

[Bubba's Dad]

pardon me....it's sys.ini

[glc]

I suggest you leave the file cache alone - and read the thread. You may want to use the suggestion in there for modifying the swapfile usage.

Dad: nope, it's system.ini and the MinFileCache and MaxFileCache entries are case sensitive if you choose to put them in.

[sportie]

Hi

Im not to sure about adjusting editing, glc you mentioned swapfile usage could you give instructions as to what to enter exactly.

Thanks to all

[kraken]

What version of windows are you running

win98 doesn't handle 512 MB too well.

win98SE or ME are required to allow windows to handle this amount of memory effectively.

Win98 is supposed to be able to handle but I do not know the appropriate settings. This is not supposed to be easy.

[TdM]

I run 98SE with 512MB with no problems I've even had more in there on odd occasions and haven't run into any problems its seems to handle it reasonably well...

[sportie]

Windows 98

[kraken]

sportie

Micky has got you by the proverbials

upgrade the OS to use all 4X128MB sticks to full advantage and without confusion.

TDM

I said you would need SE minimum to run that amount of memory without problems, Sporties build date (Full Version Windows 98 4.10.1998) tells us that it is windows 98 original version and therefore will have problems with that amount of memory.

[sportie]

Hi


what I read in a article that glc suggested is that I may get warnings if I go above the 512 however does not say what windows version original etc

Kraken can you specify as Im just a fairly new to all this !!!!!!!!

So Are you talking about the file Cache or Swap file.

[glc]

In this thread on this forum (which I posted above) there is a post about setting the swapfile.

I quote from reboot's post.........

Actually, I'm running a gig of RAM right now.
Win98 "sees" it all, but will only cache 320 meg.
You can (sort of) fool windows by adding a vcache line, but you don't need to. The vcache only applies if you get the errors described in the MS article, AND you have 512 or more.
I have never recieved the error, so...
Just add ConservativeSwapFileUseage=1 to the [386enh] section of system.ini and the swap file will never get used.
I have YET to get past the ~500meg mark in RAM usage, (rendering graphics in) PSP, browsing, FTP, email, virus scan, and about 3 games going. My video card craps out long before the RAM gets used. I've even assigned a 1 meg cache to each of my com ports, and USB as well.
I'm on XP just now, so I can't get you a screen shot of RAM/Swap usage, because XP will use (and cache) up to 4 gig.

[sportie]

Hello

Glc so Im going to take your advice and type in as shows in my system ini see were Ive added the line is that ok

386Enh]
ebios=*ebios
woafont=dosapp.fon
mouse=*vmouse, msmouse.vxd
device=*dynapage
device=*vcd
device=*vpd
device=*int13
keyboard=*vkd
display=*vdd,*vflatd
ConservativeSwapfileUseage=1

Thanks for all the help

[Jade]

Originally posted by glc In I have YET to get past the ~500meg mark in RAM usage, (rendering graphics in) PSP, browsing, FTP, email, virus scan, and about 3 games going. My video card craps out long before the RAM gets used. I've even assigned a 1 meg cache to each of my com ports, and USB as well. I'm on XP just now, so I can't get you a screen shot of RAM/Swap usage, because XP will use (and cache) up to 4 gig.

Why don't you disable Virtual Memory and see if your programs dip into your RAM all the way (Can you disable in XP?) You might get that 500+ RAM usage. I know some programs need VM but see if the programs you run do anyway. And save Outlook program as the last loaded program.

VM is the wagon while RAM is the BMW anyway.

Sportie: I would do a search like... "Intel 82443BX update", your chipset and see if there are any updates and all your hardware and stuff you added on later.

On another note; I've heard having so many fonts intalled slows start up or system in general??? Can anyone confirm this?

[sportie]

Hello Jade

I havent flashed Bios, Upgraded chipsets, etc
I cant seem to find any information on intel 82443BX
the only info i can find is the i440BX!!!!!!!



thanks

[kraken]

Sportie

The vcache line relates to read ahead optimisation to your hard drive.

In effect if you specify read ahead optimisation (Min(Max) File Cache = 1024)

MinFileCache relates to the minimum amount of memory that will be allocated to "read ahead" subroutinines in windows.

MaxFileCache is the maxcimum that you allow for this process.

Using the minFileCache of around 200 MB (thats megabytes) allows earlier windows versions to utilise the amount of memory available.

On startup the PC wil read at least 200MB of what it thinks to be the next best thing into memory.

200MB yeah bull****.

If you are running win98 and have 512MB of RAM then upgrade the OS as you have no need of the older bit. Win 98 is best suited to 128-256 MB of RAM optimised.

To fully utilise the extra RAM as intended then you need an aware OS.

2000 or Linux (talk to me linux) is required to effectively use higher memory amounts.

A Pentium processor is only effective with 64 MB of memory. Any more and it actually slows the system.

We are well beyond these early systems but the truths remain.

[sportie]

Hello Kraken

I have Win 98 SE 4.10.2222A I upgraded last week.


Thanks for the reply

[reboot]

Jade: GLC was quoting me above, so I'll answer.
In win98, I rarely get beyond ~500 meg of actual RAM use, no matter what I'm doing. I just don't have any programs that require it, and fully booted, I still have 92% free physical RAM (NOT "free resources") .In XP, there are no constraints on RAM useage (up to 4 gig) so all my RAM get's used.
Either way, I have no swapfile useage in either OS, ever, period.

[sportie]

I Upgraded to Win 98 SE last week as for the conservative-swapfile I Now got rid off since I have win SE, Xp is not coming out until October in au will consider either Xp or 2000.

Thanks reboot