Lemon Chipset

[Khalil]

yet another blunder from Intel.

The 945G chipset will not work with the new generation video cards as in the 9800GX2.

I had a client bring his machine for upgrade, its got the P5L-VM 1394 it had an 8800GT in it we installed for him last year. Now keep in mind the hardware was his choice as I would have never recommended the board or video card in the first place.

We got him a 9800GX2 from PNY per his request, no matter what we did we could not get it to go into windows other than in safe mode.

We contacted both Asus and PNY and both assured us that "many" Intel chipsets including the 945G will not work with the 9800GX2

[glc]

Let's not blame the chipset. Blame Nvidia and/or PNY for not designing in backwards compatibility. When the 945G was designed, it worked with every video chipset currently made and has worked with quite a few newer video chipsets.

The solution is pretty easy - a P5KPL-CM.

[HAL9000]

Right.. I don't understand how when Intel makes a product, then another manufacturer makes a product to work in conjunction with the Intel and it doesn't work, that it is Intel's fault. Intel would release a spec sheet to which manufacturers would adhere to so they can have a compatible product.

Your customer should be researching the compatability before diving in... or yourself, as his service person, should double check before placing the order to reduce the stress for yourself trying to get it to work.

I guess God screwed up... his oranges aren't compatible with my apple pie.

[Khalil]

I tested the same video card on three AMD systems, a 754 a 939 and an AM2 and it worked flawless.

I don't see how it is Nvidia's problem, I always have upgrade issues with Intel systems, they are just not designed for upgrading in my opinion.

Hal9000, thanks for your input, however we did some research prior to ordering the card, I had a bad feeling about the whole thing knowing it was an Intel Chipset we were trying to put this high end card on.
I found nothing on Nvidia, Intel or PNY sites to indicate any issues. I did explain to the customer that the board was PCI-Express 1 and he would be a lot better off with a newer motherboard but he would not listen to reason. I am in business to make money, not turn customers away.
Now that we had gone through all this he finaly agreed to go with an AMD Phenom 9850 with an Asus M3A. Things will go well now.
In my opinion Intel is at fault here for designing such limited and propriatory chipsets.

Btw in some countries they do mix apples and organges in Pies.
Intel is hardly a comparisson to the almighty.

[HAL9000]

Your logic makes no sense and it simply comes down to Intel bashing for which Intel/AMD bashing is definitely not allowed here.

Intel designed a chipset BEFORE that video card. The video card manufacturer has access to build their product to ensure compatability. They did NOT follow the spec sheet, that makes the other manufacturer at fault for not following the guidline.

If you buy an assemble yourself product and don't follow the instructions, is it the manufacturer that is at fault when it isn't assmebled correctly and doesn't work? No... it's only their fault if you follow the instructions and there is an error that makes you assemble a faulty product.

Saying that you are going to use a NEW board and processor to fix the problem and it will work because it is AMD is a faulty assumption as well... get a NEW Intel board and I'm betting it will work too.

[liambl]

I can't see how its Intels problem, the 965 was designed a long time before the 9800GX2 and Intel can't predict the future to build in support for these cards. It is up to the card manufacturer to build in support for the older chipset.

[Khalil]

Picture of finished job.

http://www.imagepile.net/index.php?p...7&name=GX2.jpg

[chuck4456]

Originally Posted by HAL9000 Your logic makes no sense and it simply comes down to Intel bashing for which Intel/AMD bashing is definitely not allowed here. Intel designed a chipset BEFORE that video card. The video card manufacturer has access to build their product to ensure compatability. They did NOT follow the spec sheet, that makes the other manufacturer at fault for not following the guidline. If you buy an assemble yourself product and don't follow the instructions, is it the manufacturer that is at fault when it isn't assmebled correctly and doesn't work? No... it's only their fault if you follow the instructions and there is an error that makes you assemble a faulty product. Saying that you are going to use a NEW board and processor to fix the problem and it will work because it is AMD is a faulty assumption as well... get a NEW Intel board and I'm betting it will work too.

Well put. Well put.
The 945G is an old Pentium D chipset anyway.
I didn't even know they were still making 'em.
It's probably not that anyway.
The system probably just needs an adequate power supply.

[Khalil]

Antec TPQ850 is not adequate enough Chuck? Good assumption there!