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Toaster · 02-15-2002, 10:19 AM

Hello folks,

Recently, there was some bad feelings evolving from a post asking for assistance.
Please keep in mind that folks tend to answer the question(s) as they are put to them. If the question is vague, so shall be the reply.
Be as specific as you can offering every bit of info you can muster.
Don't be shy in thinking your post is "too long" as more info is ALWAYS better then too little.

An example of a vague question:
"My car is broken, whats wrong with it?"

An example of a proper question:
"My car doesn't crank, no headlights or other lights come on, what do I do first?"

From example 2, we have enough info to start trouble shooting by suggesting either the "battery" or related items.

From example 1, we have no info whatsoever and have to make ASSUMPTIONS.
If your info is so vague that folks have to leap to conclusions, these conclusions are going to be nothing more then a "stab in the dark".

So...give us the low down, all the gory details you can muster.

Limiting responses to a particular "class" of members is a sort of insult IMHO and should be avoided. However, if you wish a reply from a particular member its acceptable to do so. Others might reply and their info ALONG with the info by the requested member could be VERY useful.

Bottom line:
Be as specific as you can and if you can't, ask what info they need to better help you.
Keep it CIVIL!

fatboyjim · 02-15-2002, 10:38 AM

Well said that man. Good example my DVD Question? let's hope somebody replies to it...

SD_girl_PC · 02-15-2002, 03:51 PM

I would like to appologize to all the members of this woderfull Forum and Website. And I would like to thank all of you who supported me. I also would like to add that the previous threads and the misunderstanding were not my fault at all but EdRod13's fault for giving me bad advice... He has even been e-mailing me threating me, I immidiately removed my address from my profile. I will not offend anyone any more so please accept my appoplogy (Except EDROD13, I will NEVER appologize for what he did)

June

edrod13 · 02-15-2002, 04:07 PM

Toaster,

Check your PM.

SD_girl_PC · 02-15-2002, 04:10 PM

There you are!!

raptor46 · 02-15-2002, 05:02 PM

I want to say this is the best site I have ever seen. I regularly frequent the radio control helicopter sites, like www.runryder.com and others. Those sites offer the same partnership of helping each other as here, but the overall friendliness and helpfulness of this site is amazing. The help I have received has saved me, literally, hundreds of dollars. At Runryder, they usually let the contestants battle it out and the membership will usually determine who is right and the other one will leave or submit. However, most of the disputes there are over sales. Heres an example: http://www.runryder.com/showtopic.ht...0&topicid=4533

I commend the leadership here for stepping in, as the disputes take a toll on the constructive threads.

Anyway, I am glad to be a member here and am willing to take the good with the bad, as the good is saving me CASH!!!!!

Is there a fund available where I can help this site? At the heli sites we make donations to help support the expenses of running a server.

WJWheels · 02-15-2002, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SD_girl_PC
I would like to appologize to all the members of this woderfull Forum and Website. And I would like to thank all of you who supported me. I also would like to add that the previous threads and the misunderstanding were not my fault at all but EdRod13's fault for giving me bad advice... He has even been e-mailing me threating me, I immidiately removed my address from my profile. I will not offend anyone any more so please accept my appoplogy (Except EDROD13, I will NEVER appologize for what he did)

June

Apology accepted in this corner. Here's to another good contributing member of PCMechanic. I (along with others, I'm sure) never found the "bad advice" you keep repeating that you received. If you (SD_girl_PC) could please show me the posting containing this "bad advice", I'm sure it could help clear everything up.

Again, from me.. Welcome to PCMechanic.

raftero · 02-15-2002, 11:02 PM

i understand what you are saying toaster,i'm sure some of my posts could have been better but i have always recieved good answers and suggestions in a decient way and i appreciate it.what little i know is from trial and error and this forum and i'm happy to pass that on if i can to anyone.and by the way edrod 13 i understood your post and thought it appropiate.

StormBorn · 02-16-2002, 08:32 AM

I missed the whole brouhaha until this post, then I went back and checked all the relevant threads.

Let me say that I'm very grateful to have found this forum and very appreciative to those who've taken the time to advise me.

azscary · 02-16-2002, 01:16 PM

I prefer Geek. what do you prefer?

Geek or Nerd Poll

GaryRouth · 02-17-2002, 01:46 AM

Just a note of thanks to all the moderators and visitors to this forum:
The level of polite consideration and care for each person's plight here
on this forum are unlike anything I've seen. This is like going over to
a friend's house where you know you are welcome and valued just as you are.

Thanks again, all
...Gary

Toaster · 02-17-2002, 10:52 AM

Hello Gary, (and others)

This site stands alone in a friendly atmosphere.
Activity that would be common to other sites is not promoted nor acceptable here. Here, at the 'Mech, we like to be civil, kind and useful.
While many folks have opinions and such opinions are open for discussion, we do so in a civil mannor.
Everyone makes a mistake and/or steps over the line. Everyone gets a second chance, a third chance is practically nil however.
We strive to be helpful, courteous and as direct as practical.
Not everyone will subscribe to your opinion but all have a right to voice that opinion without a possible "hassle".
We obviously DO NOT tolerate "flaming" "name calling" and illeagal activities of ANY sort. Anyone violating the above will be delt with quickly and harshly.
Thanks for the kind words and your support.

doubledragon5 · 02-17-2002, 01:18 PM

Since I've joined this website I have enjoyed being able to give someone out their help with their pc problem. I don't consider myself a PC genious put if I have an answere to a particular problelm that I have encountered before I enjoy giving out the best advice possible to solve that problem. I have learned an awful lot of useful info from this site and I visit it regulary as often as I can and will continue to visit this site everyday. My applause to everyone out their who takes the time help out others. Thank you and God bless

SARGE · 02-17-2002, 10:27 PM

On technical issues, if I don't have an answer for a poster, I'll pass or perhaps provide a link to assist. It serves no purpose to give advice you know nothing about, except to cause further mayhem. On opinion type threads, I'll jump in.

casey · 02-17-2002, 11:48 PM

Hallo everyone,
you have the most polite, helpful, friendly and professional site i have ever come accross.Keep it up guys, it is simply brilliant.

Werewolfdaddy · 02-18-2002, 02:41 AM

Of all the members in the forum, the only one to ever give me any problems or use foul language with me is werewolfdaddy. I don't understand why he is allowed to remain.

Seriously, this is the best forum on the net and I am PROUD to be a part of it. Here's to many more years of prosperity for PCMECHANIC.

villiageidiot · 02-18-2002, 12:58 PM

Yea, that guy drives me nuts!!!!

HAL9000 · 02-18-2002, 01:32 PM

That's OK, you should hear when HAL9000 goes balistic? How did he become a mod anyway?

villiageidiot · 02-18-2002, 01:51 PM

It's only because Hal is a movie star!!!!

WJWheels · 02-18-2002, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by useless_1
It's only because Hal is a movie star!!!!

Hey, the porno discussion is another thread!!

HAL9000 · 02-18-2002, 02:58 PM

LMFAOROFL!

snakeyes · 02-18-2002, 03:03 PM

I am so appreciative of all the Polite, Very Patient , imformative, people that belong to these forums and that work for this very superior web site. I hear about this website a long time ago on Techtv's the Screensavers and for some crazy reason forgot about it (forgive me everyone) when I stumbled upon this site again, I have never turned back. I check this site every morning, lunch and sometimes and night. Keep up all the good work to everyone here! -Snakeyes

Werewolfdaddy · 02-19-2002, 03:11 AM

I've got a couple of Hal's movies on DVD. I got to admit, he looks impressive on a 19" monitor and my geforce 3.

WJWheels · 02-19-2002, 03:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Werewolfdaddy
I've got a couple of Hal's movies on DVD. I got to admit, he looks impressive on a 19" monitor and my geforce 3.

See there... size DOES matter..

vernonm_2000 · 02-19-2002, 06:05 AM

This site makes Computing.net look like a little ant

LawyerRon · 02-20-2002, 08:14 AM

I GO OUT OF TOWN FOR ONE WEEK AND EVERYTHING GOES TO *#!*%! AROUND HERE!

HAL9000 · 02-20-2002, 08:16 AM

See what happens when The Gavel isn't around to keep us in line, it's all you're fault

WJWheels · 02-20-2002, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by LawyerRon
I GO OUT OF TOWN FOR ONE WEEK AND EVERYTHING GOES TO *#!*%! AROUND HERE!

Hmmmm... *#!*%! is 6 characters. I'm guessing that must stand for Canada.

HAL9000 · 02-20-2002, 09:54 AM

redbaron_snoopy · 02-22-2002, 09:44 AM

Hi Everyone,

I agree with toaster that questions should specific and concise. At the same time, I notice that some posts are unanswered or answered by only 1 or 2 replies (mine included) They were quite specific (though maybe basic) and not rude (frustrated maybe, but certainly not rude)

Maybe there's other reason/protocol which I or a few others are not aware of
Of course, my observation may not be valid at all but the "basis" is on a couple of posts made (by me) in XP and 98 forum.

02-15-2002, 10:19 AM	#1
Toaster Member (13 bit) Join Date: Apr 1999 Location: Now in Phoenix, AZ. Where next? Only 8 states left to see. Posts: 4,661	General read-me. All members please read! Hello folks, Recently, there was some bad feelings evolving from a post asking for assistance. Please keep in mind that folks tend to answer the question(s) as they are put to them. If the question is vague, so shall be the reply. Be as specific as you can offering every bit of info you can muster. Don't be shy in thinking your post is "too long" as more info is ALWAYS better then too little. An example of a vague question: "My car is broken, whats wrong with it?" An example of a proper question: "My car doesn't crank, no headlights or other lights come on, what do I do first?" From example 2, we have enough info to start trouble shooting by suggesting either the "battery" or related items. From example 1, we have no info whatsoever and have to make ASSUMPTIONS. If your info is so vague that folks have to leap to conclusions, these conclusions are going to be nothing more then a "stab in the dark". So...give us the low down, all the gory details you can muster. Limiting responses to a particular "class" of members is a sort of insult IMHO and should be avoided. However, if you wish a reply from a particular member its acceptable to do so. Others might reply and their info ALONG with the info by the requested member could be VERY useful. Bottom line: Be as specific as you can and if you can't, ask what info they need to better help you. Keep it CIVIL! __________________ 2 goldfish were discussing Mythology. The discussion ended when a goldfish replied: "There MUST be a God, who changes the water?"

02-15-2002, 10:38 AM	#2
fatboyjim Member (12 bit) Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: UK Posts: 2,469	Well said that man. Good example my DVD Question? let's hope somebody replies to it... __________________ Jim

02-15-2002, 03:51 PM	#3
SD_girl_PC Banned Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: SanDiego Posts: 16	FYI I would like to appologize to all the members of this woderfull Forum and Website. And I would like to thank all of you who supported me. I also would like to add that the previous threads and the misunderstanding were not my fault at all but EdRod13's fault for giving me bad advice... He has even been e-mailing me threating me, I immidiately removed my address from my profile. I will not offend anyone any more so please accept my appoplogy (Except EDROD13, I will NEVER appologize for what he did) June

02-15-2002, 04:07 PM	#4
edrod13 Member (11 bit) Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Yorba Linda, CA Posts: 1,162	Toaster, Check your PM. __________________ "Do not worry about your difficulties in Mathematics. I can assure you mine are still greater." - Albert Einstein

02-15-2002, 05:02 PM	#6
raptor46 Member (6 bit) Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Fla Posts: 36	Appreciation I want to say this is the best site I have ever seen. I regularly frequent the radio control helicopter sites, like www.runryder.com and others. Those sites offer the same partnership of helping each other as here, but the overall friendliness and helpfulness of this site is amazing. The help I have received has saved me, literally, hundreds of dollars. At Runryder, they usually let the contestants battle it out and the membership will usually determine who is right and the other one will leave or submit. However, most of the disputes there are over sales. Heres an example: http://www.runryder.com/showtopic.ht...0&topicid=4533 I commend the leadership here for stepping in, as the disputes take a toll on the constructive threads. Anyway, I am glad to be a member here and am willing to take the good with the bad, as the good is saving me CASH!!!!! Is there a fund available where I can help this site? At the heli sites we make donations to help support the expenses of running a server. Last edited by raptor46; 02-15-2002 at 05:47 PM.

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02-15-2002, 04:10 PM	#5
SD_girl_PC Banned Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: SanDiego Posts: 16	There you are!!

02-15-2002, 11:02 PM	#8
raftero Member (11 bit) Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: lometa,tx. Posts: 1,399	i understand what you are saying toaster,i'm sure some of my posts could have been better but i have always recieved good answers and suggestions in a decient way and i appreciate it.what little i know is from trial and error and this forum and i'm happy to pass that on if i can to anyone.and by the way edrod 13 i understood your post and thought it appropiate. __________________ claude intel d850mv 1.6a 512 rambus ATI8500le solid as a rock. intel e5200 2.5 P5KPL-CM 2 gig memory also solid

02-16-2002, 08:32 AM	#9
StormBorn Member (6 bit) Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Arizona Posts: 39	Holy Cow I missed the whole brouhaha until this post, then I went back and checked all the relevant threads. Let me say that I'm very grateful to have found this forum and very appreciative to those who've taken the time to advise me.

02-16-2002, 01:16 PM	#10
azscary Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 977	Geek or Nerd? I prefer Geek. what do you prefer? Geek or Nerd Poll

02-17-2002, 01:46 AM	#11
GaryRouth Member (12 bit) Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Woodland Hills, CA (suburb of Los Angeles) Posts: 4,038	Just a note of thanks to all the moderators and visitors to this forum: The level of polite consideration and care for each person's plight here on this forum are unlike anything I've seen. This is like going over to a friend's house where you know you are welcome and valued just as you are. Thanks again, all ...Gary

02-17-2002, 10:52 AM	#12
Toaster Member (13 bit) Join Date: Apr 1999 Location: Now in Phoenix, AZ. Where next? Only 8 states left to see. Posts: 4,661	Hello Gary, (and others) This site stands alone in a friendly atmosphere. Activity that would be common to other sites is not promoted nor acceptable here. Here, at the 'Mech, we like to be civil, kind and useful. While many folks have opinions and such opinions are open for discussion, we do so in a civil mannor. Everyone makes a mistake and/or steps over the line. Everyone gets a second chance, a third chance is practically nil however. We strive to be helpful, courteous and as direct as practical. Not everyone will subscribe to your opinion but all have a right to voice that opinion without a possible "hassle". We obviously DO NOT tolerate "flaming" "name calling" and illeagal activities of ANY sort. Anyone violating the above will be delt with quickly and harshly. Thanks for the kind words and your support.

02-17-2002, 01:18 PM	#13
doubledragon5 Tanker Yanker Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lewisville TX Posts: 2,993	AMEN Since I've joined this website I have enjoyed being able to give someone out their help with their pc problem. I don't consider myself a PC genious put if I have an answere to a particular problelm that I have encountered before I enjoy giving out the best advice possible to solve that problem. I have learned an awful lot of useful info from this site and I visit it regulary as often as I can and will continue to visit this site everyday. My applause to everyone out their who takes the time help out others. Thank you and God bless

02-17-2002, 10:27 PM	#14
SARGE The Preacher Man Premium Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Dallas Posts: 5,161	On technical issues, if I don't have an answer for a poster, I'll pass or perhaps provide a link to assist. It serves no purpose to give advice you know nothing about, except to cause further mayhem. On opinion type threads, I'll jump in. __________________ "Don't be so open-minded that your brains fall out."

02-17-2002, 11:48 PM	#15
casey Member (10 bit) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Cape Town, South Africa Posts: 587	Hallo everyone, you have the most polite, helpful, friendly and professional site i have ever come accross.Keep it up guys, it is simply brilliant.

02-18-2002, 02:41 AM	#16
Werewolfdaddy 10th Level Vice President Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Knoxville, TN Posts: 1,135	Of all the members in the forum, the only one to ever give me any problems or use foul language with me is werewolfdaddy. I don't understand why he is allowed to remain. Seriously, this is the best forum on the net and I am PROUD to be a part of it. Here's to many more years of prosperity for PCMECHANIC. __________________ athlon 64 3000+ MSI K8T Neo-FIS2R MB, 1gig kingston hyperx cas2 pc3200 ddr, radeon 9800 pro, audigy 2 platinum, tdk 4xdvd+r, LG 52x cdrw, siig133ultra ata card, maxtor 133 ultra ata card, 160 gig WD HD converted into USB 2.0 drive, 80gig WD SE HD, 160 maxtor HD w/ 8 mb cache, 120 gig maxtor hd w/8 mb cache, 250gig wd w/8mb cache, 250gig Maxtor w/8mb cache, 8x samsung dvd-rw 2x KDS 19" monitors. 2nd Computer: 2.4 gig p4, Asus p3g8x motherobard, 512 samsung 2100 ddr, geforce 3 ti200, creative labs sound blaster 5.1live, 80gig IBM Hard drive. 52x CD-ROM,antec case, 15" generic monitor---thanks for alienwaredude. 3rd computer: AMD 2500+ XP FIC AN19C motherboard, 512 kbyte 2700ddr,geforce2ti200,4xdvd+-rw, antec case

02-18-2002, 01:32 PM	#18
HAL9000 "Normal" again....?? Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada Posts: 17,600	That's OK, you should hear when HAL9000 goes balistic? How did he become a mod anyway? __________________ -At Ford, quality is job #1, job #2 is making them explode. ~Norm MacDonald, SNL News -Switching to Glide..Balancing in my head..inside of me... taking the glide path instead.

02-20-2002, 09:54 AM	#29
HAL9000 "Normal" again....?? Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada Posts: 17,600

02-18-2002, 12:58 PM	#17
villiageidiot Member (8 bit) Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Strongsville, Ohio Posts: 236	Yea, that guy drives me nuts!!!!

02-18-2002, 01:51 PM	#19
villiageidiot Member (8 bit) Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Strongsville, Ohio Posts: 236	It's only because Hal is a movie star!!!!

02-18-2002, 02:58 PM	#21
HAL9000 "Normal" again....?? Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada Posts: 17,600	LMFAOROFL!

02-18-2002, 03:03 PM	#22
snakeyes Member (8 bit) Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 212	Much Appreciated!! I am so appreciative of all the Polite, Very Patient , imformative, people that belong to these forums and that work for this very superior web site. I hear about this website a long time ago on Techtv's the Screensavers and for some crazy reason forgot about it (forgive me everyone) when I stumbled upon this site again, I have never turned back. I check this site every morning, lunch and sometimes and night. Keep up all the good work to everyone here! -Snakeyes

02-19-2002, 03:11 AM	#23
Werewolfdaddy 10th Level Vice President Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Knoxville, TN Posts: 1,135	I've got a couple of Hal's movies on DVD. I got to admit, he looks impressive on a 19" monitor and my geforce 3.

02-19-2002, 06:05 AM	#25
vernonm_2000 Member (8 bit) Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Mordor: New zealand Posts: 223	HAHO! This site makes Computing.net look like a little ant

02-20-2002, 08:14 AM	#26
LawyerRon The Gavel Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Upland, CA Posts: 6,320	I GO OUT OF TOWN FOR ONE WEEK AND EVERYTHING GOES TO #!%! AROUND HERE! __________________ "To speak ill of others is a dishonest way of praising ourselves"

02-20-2002, 08:16 AM	#27
HAL9000 "Normal" again....?? Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada Posts: 17,600	See what happens when The Gavel isn't around to keep us in line, it's all you're fault

02-22-2002, 09:44 AM	#30
redbaron_snoopy Member (10 bit) Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Singapore Posts: 792	Poor response ? Hi Everyone, I agree with toaster that questions should specific and concise. At the same time, I notice that some posts are unanswered or answered by only 1 or 2 replies (mine included) They were quite specific (though maybe basic) and not rude (frustrated maybe, but certainly not rude) Maybe there's other reason/protocol which I or a few others are not aware of Of course, my observation may not be valid at all but the "basis" is on a couple of posts made (by me) in XP and 98 forum.

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