best processor?

[bhome83]

ok im the one that started this post and never thought it go this long. if i want a processor that i won't be using for overclocking(whatever that is?) i think i might just go with intel. they seem the most stable and i have one now and haven't had any problems. i don't want the problem of overheating. id rather buy an intel than buy an amd processor where i run a slightly bigger risk of overheating. what is the best intel processor for the money? thanks for the many replys. helps alot.

[whr2206]

whenever you have a post subject like that, theres going to be alot of debates, and posts....i gain form it though...I learn alot of peoples opinions...

[Bobo23]

You say the P4 can be overclocked?

Hmm, well maybe you need a 3rd party motherboard because my motherboard doesn't do it.

Eh, the downside of the Intel P4 / D850GB Board combo is that it only has 2 different sets of jumpers, the BIOS setting and the USB port setting. What other things can a Normal board set?

PS. It also has a jumper to turn of the onboard NIC, but none to turn of the sound!!!!!!
I want a SB Live 5.1 but i can't turn of my onboard sound!!!!!!!!!!

[Nelreem]

i agree with toaster. it would be nice if AMD came out with something new. it copied intel in the days of old (socket 7) by naming the chips the same as intel chips. now, intel has the copyrights, and amd came out with new name it came out with the DDR fsb(for 266), and intel made the QDR fsb(400). the memory-to-cpu is 133 and 100 despite marketing claims. those fsb speeds are to the north bridge i believe. enhancing speed, but not as much as some would like to think. the major enhancement for the memory to cpu is DDR SDRAM and RDRAM. intel came out with the pci slot, which is the most widely used slot that i know of. new slots are not always easily accepted e.g. AMR and CNR. it would be nice if AMD came out with something new, but, if it failed, AMD would have a huge money loss, would have not been able to keep up with processor speeds, and therefore losing much market share. this would make it like the socket 7 days, when intel had no competition, and they upgraded processors in 33 Mhz almost all the time. the amd vs intel threads are good, meaning that competition is strong and keeps the pc market goin.

[Bobo23]

Bhome,

the best p4 for the money is definitely the 1.5 Ghz, 423 pin or 478. I got my 1.5 ghz 423pin for $145, less than $10 per .1 Ghz!!

You made the right choice my man! Intel is far more stabile and i've never heard of an intel overheating.

[bhome83]

i found on ebay a pentium 4 1.5ghz for $110. is this a good deal if anyone knows?
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI...tem=1295423037

[Bobo23]

Bhome,

Megaman001 sells all the P4 processors at very low prices. However they are all OEM meaning they don't come with heatsinkfan and they don't have a warranty except the 30 day DOA warranty Megaman001 himself provides. This is fine if you don't mind having to buy a brand new processor if you get a defective one. You see, as trustworthy and as stable as P4 is, there are glitches in the production process and its good to have warranty. I bought a retail version and its great. If you don't mind not having a warranty and buying your own heatsinkfan then by all means go for it!

[HAL9000]

1.5 to 1.8Ghz seems to be the best value for a P4 at the moment. You definitely want Socket 478 as Socket 423 is out. You most likely cannot overclock on an Intel brand motherboard. With the ASUS motherboards, they crank up quite nicely while remaining in a very reasonable temperature range.

ALL OEM Intel processors have a 30 day warranty, DOA or flakey, but situations such as that are extremely rare for AMD or Intel.

[wrelax]

alright whats up with this slight chance of overheating crapo. You run that risk with every cpu intel or amd. Only people who make stupid arse mistakes and don't even know how to put on a heatsink burn up their cpus. Its not that hard folks, once u slap on the damn thing w/ a descent heatsink and thermal paste, it will run fine. Only risk is the fan failing but that can happen on an intel comp too.

[Bobo23]

Yeah that can happen on an intel comp, but luckily intel comps can live without the fan for a while. Also, P4 intel's come with a cd which gives you software that detects CPU temp and alerts you if it gets to high. does Athlon have that?

Also, a small or bad heatsink, or a weak fan can lead to an easy overheating on an Athlon, but just about any heatsink fan will do with an Intel P4.

I have a P2 MMX 350 and a P2 MMX 266 and neither one has a fan, just really big heatsinks. Intel is clearly cooler running.

[wrelax]

oh yeah just outa curiosity, can u bump up the fsb and multiplier on the p4?

[Bobo23]

Why would I need to do that? Everyone on this thread agrees that beyond 1.5 Ghz the clock speed is irrelevant since they are all frigin fast!

Overclocking makes such a small change and at the same time increases your risk of overheating.

[wrelax]

alright once again, if u have a descent heatsink/fan/thermal paste u will run fine w/out any overheating. Yes amd runs hotter but thats the price u pay for more performance Besides they are workin on the heat problem, the new xp's run much cooler. As i've seen it w/ a couple of friends of mine running 10c cooler at higher speeds than older t-birds.

[wrelax]

i don't need ur intel biased answer, i want to know can u raise fsb and multiplier on p4? (i seriously don't know)

oh yeah and the xp can live through the fan failing as well from what i heard. Also, you there is software for the comp to shutdown if cpu temp raises as well. MBM5 and Shutdownnow...

[Bobo23]

hmmm, the price i pay for better performance.

Don't make me repeat myself again, ok.
The speed above 1.5 Ghz is so fast that its not noticable. Its like one car going 100 mph and the other going 110 mph. One car is going faster but they both are going way over the speed limit.

[Bobo23]

on my board I can't raise the FSB and multiplier, unless you guys know something I don't.

If you do please tell me

[HAL9000]

You can only raise the FSB on an Intel, the multiplier is locked. As for overheating, you can literally pull the heat sink from an Intel CPU and the thermal protection will shut it down and not fry the CPU. AMD has finally introduced a thermal diode, but it is far from being perfected. They can tolerate a fan failure and a temperature increase of less than 1'C per second. While this may seem fast, depending on the cooling, it may/may not be fast enough. With adequate cooling and NOT overclocked, it may be able to shut the system down fast enough, but overclocked, the potential risk increases.

[wrelax]

alright hal thanks for the info

[Terrorbyte]

OK, STOP. I didnt say that Intel P4's suck, I said was that intel P4 really suck, I still own a P3-1gh as a backup and to use when the XP is doing something else much more technical and advanced.
The P3-1gh seems to be where Intel had a good product, but then they lost the plot with the P4 in a vain attempt to catch up with the AMD which is cheaper and faster.
I guess it seems that when those who own an intel chip get very touchy when they are told that something else which costs a lot less goes a lot faster than the product that they spent all their bickies on.
For the converted to AMD chip family, g'day friends, the rest can please themself, remember I OWN BOTH !! so I am not biased, I can see the difference.
I dont have shares in AMD, I still own two other P3 systems and while they work fine they are very SLOW in comparison, and yes I know that the AMD is a bigger chip to start with so a genuine comparison is very difficult, (I am not going to bother with all those benchmark points).
I go by what I see in front of me, and both systems are on the same desk side by side, the AMD is visibly twice ++ as fast, so there!

for the record;
AMD XP 1600
Aopen VIA KT266, AK77 pro
512mb DDR 2100 ram
40Gb IBM UATA 100
Geforce 64mb MX400
Voodoo 3 3DFX
12/8/32 ACer writer
52x Aopen CD
LS 120mb INT IDE drive
HP 6100C Scanner
BJC 3000 printer
Sony 19" FS mon.
onboard sound on M/b, so sue me.
and a sound system that pops out the windows...

and the backup is

Intel P3-1gh
ASUS CUSL2-C
256mb pc 133 sdram
20gb Quantam UATA100
share printer and scanners
Matrox 32mb G450 dual head
Voodoo 2 12mb
Pioneer 32x slot CD
LS120 EXT parr.
Acer v771 and Mitsubishi 772i
Creative PCI 128 sound



etc bla bla

[wrelax]

HA!

:P

[HAL9000]

They are not a lot less, as I pointed out earlier, a 1600+ is $265 and a 1.6 is $275, I don't exactly call that a lot.

As for your 1600+ being visibly faster than your 1Ghz, I should hope so, but since my PIII 800 is visibly faster than my neighbours k6-2 500, has Intel become superior again? Compare some apples to apples here. As I mentioned at before, at work I have 2 virtually identical machines, An Intel 1.6 and an XP 1600+, both with Radeon 32Mb DDR cards, 7200RPM drives and so far only 5 out of 15 people can tell me which is which, statistically it should be 7-8 getting the answer correct by guessing, higher if one can actually notice a performance difference and label each correctly.

My Ferarri is faster than your Chevette.... what's your point?

[Terrorbyte]

Is it really worth the worry ?
who really cares anyway, I have a P2-300 in the cupboard here that screams along, it was a freak, unfortunately it is now obselete, mush like Intel ?? LOL LOL

[HAL9000]

[wrelax]

HAL, your loss is my gain. As for that 10 buck difference u keep referring to. THat is like one case where the chip is close in price. I'm pretty damn sure the 1600+ is hella betta then the 1600 p4 neways. You want to compare a single case? Fine, a duron 1ghz is 59 bucks, a p3 1 ghz is 153 bucks. Thats close to 100 bucks. Or how about at 1.2 ghz? t-bird is 82 bucks, intel?? p3 is 260 bucks. YOU do the math. Man you just got played ;P

[HAL9000]

Yea... whatever A Viper is $80K, a Metro is under 10K, so long as we're comparing similar produts, both cars right? If you're ever in my area in Canada, I invite you to tell me which is which, and when built similarly, come out to a very similar price.

[DrZaius]

Ok, this is turning ugly (as usual)...

[Nelreem]

look, since no one can seem to tell, why pay more? look, the P4 2.0 is comparable to the XP 1900+, however, the p4 2.0 costs 386 dollars, but, the xp costs about 261 dollars. i got these prices from pricewatch, so they are as low as you can go (just about ). also on price watch: DDR-SDRAM PC2100 256MB $22; RDRAM 256 MB $81
so, if there is just a $10 price difference from 1.9 and 1900+, you lose $60 on RAM. thats $70 you could spend on something else.

btw, the itanium costs $3012. lets see any normal person use that in a computer.

[wrelax]

well obviously ur just referring to Mhz here as you keep comparing how that 1600MHz is close in price. so what ur saying, the 1.2 ghz t-bird is the metro and the 1.2 p3 is the viper? man i just don't get you. I think terror has it right.

I guess it seems that when those who own an intel chip get very touchy when they are told that something else which costs a lot less goes a lot faster than the product that they spent all their bickies on.

[HAL9000]

But the 1900+ is comparable to a 1.9, not a 2.0, even AMD says this. As I said, I currently have the 1600+ running along side a 1.6 and people can't tell the difference, so the AMD claim is justified. If we happen to get an Intel 1.7 or above, I'll continue my experiment and see how people answer, it could prove interesting. I have yet to really believe any of the hardware sites to be unbiased as there are so many that conflict. I even have a bookmark at work showing the P4 1.7 beating out the 1900+. Each has their strong and weak points. Face it, if either were truely 100% superiour, the other wouldn't exist and if the other didn't exist, do you really think you would get a 1.6Ghz processor for less than $300.... good luck.

Well, I grow tired of this. As I have stated many times, AMD or Intel, at 1.5Ghz+, they are both frickin' fast. Take your pick, choose for your own reasons and not somebody elses. Come to the MECH to give and receive advice, not to put down someone elses pride and joy.

Later.

[lpc300]

Seems like there are some that are still not getting Hal's point that anything over 1.5 ghz is fast regardless of the processor. I too have worked on both AMD and Intel systems this fast and can't tell the difference.

I've identified myself as an "AMD fan', but if Intel 'sucks' so much how come it's been around so long without any serious competition. If a product 'sucks', it ceases to be an industry leader, as a competitor will run it out of business.

On the other hand, a reason that AMD doesn't come up with a 'new industry standard' is that it would make no sense to. An entire industry would be resistant such a drastic change. It would be like Linux trying to convince the world to dump M$. Doesn't matter whether it's better or not, getting everyone to change, install and, relearn would not be possible.

Lastly, we were all 'newbies' once. Someone who struggles with a heatsink/fan, especially the first time or two, is not a 'stupid arse'. I challenge ANYONE to say they've NEVER made a mistake. I've been coming here for a couple of months now, and one of the things I most like, is that 'newbies' or anyone with a 'simple' question is not flamed. Not only does it keep people asking and learning, but it turns 'newbies' into 'Computing Graduate Students'.