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08-04-2002, 04:31 PM
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Another Build Problem
Hey everyone, rmemeber that build problem i had? well i replaced the parts and it was working fine...and while i was installing the OS windows 98, the screen got all screwed up...(like pixels all messed up...its kinda hard to explain) does anyone know what might have caused the screen to get all messed up? by the way i continued the installation w hile i could only make out half the stuff so i dont know what is causing the screen to be messed up
thanks, brett specs: athlon 2000 XP+ cpu abit kr7a motherboard 512 ddr and 256 ddr pc2100 kingston ram visiontek geforce 3 ti500 maxtor 40gb hard drive and i forgot the other stuff right now |
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08-04-2002, 04:37 PM
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did you check all the physical connections? make sure no pins are bent or anything like that? i am not sure if that would cause it, but its worth a shot.
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08-04-2002, 05:02 PM
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I've just completed a very similar system and I put win98 on it also. What slots did you put the cards in? I spent some time making sure my video, sound, and network cards were on different IRQ's - took some doing too. You also need to know about the memory - having too much in win98 can cause problems. I'll look for the link that describes a 'fix' and post it here later.
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08-04-2002, 05:31 PM
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As of right now i only have the video card in adn thats in the AGP slot. I used to have windows 98se but i lost the installation disc so i had to use my older windows 98 CD. Im still not sure how to fix it.
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08-04-2002, 05:33 PM
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also...it was working fine at one point so that had to mean everything was in order and then sometime during a menu in setup it just got all screwy
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08-04-2002, 05:41 PM
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I had a similar problem and it turned out to be the hard-drive. Regular format/partition didn't help me. Might want to try a low-leve format, then see what happens.
Logan
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08-04-2002, 05:49 PM
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how do i do a low level format? i actually thought it was the hard drive because it happened during something in the setup dealing with the hard drive
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08-04-2002, 05:54 PM
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08-04-2002, 06:25 PM
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i checked the maxtor site and i didnt find any "wipe" program any other ways to format?
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08-04-2002, 06:32 PM
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check out this though... http://www.maxtor.com/products/Retai...pportGraph.gif
it says that windows 98 cant recognize more than 32gb hard drive....well if mine is a 40 gb do you think that has something to do with it? i wish i still had amy windows 98se CD |
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08-04-2002, 07:30 PM
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Hi guys,
As I read Brett's post, the video is screwed up. What does that have to do with a low level format? At worst he might have to reformat the drive with fdisk and reinstall. My guess (from experience) is that at some point Brett made a wrong video choice during setup. Brett what did the screen say just before everything went bad? CH |
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08-04-2002, 07:36 PM
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To tell you the truth i dont really remember....but i think it was either formatting C drive or fixing an error it said it had and then when i clicked next it went all screwy
im still wondering if that klink i posted above shows anything thats wrong with it |
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08-04-2002, 07:55 PM
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What do you mean, "formatting C?" I thought you were in the Windows98 install process.
Can you boot to a floppy? Try and let us know if your video improves. CH Last edited by Computer Hobbyist; 08-04-2002 at 08:00 PM. |
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08-04-2002, 07:58 PM
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ive got a 40gb maxtor and windows 98 not se,on this computer and it is recog. no prob.i would try a clean install of windows.
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08-04-2002, 08:29 PM
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no i allready installed windows hobbyist, it happened in the install process, and its still there im gonna try to reinstall it
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08-04-2002, 08:35 PM
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Good luck. Might turn out to be a video driver issue.
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08-04-2002, 08:42 PM
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Video driver? I thought Win98 setup was Dos based. none the less, that is the problem I had, Win98 FE, I formated the 'ol 15GB a few too many times trying to install Linux, or get Win2k to work, then Win98 disliked my drive.
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08-04-2002, 08:57 PM
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Windows setup is dos based which is exactly why I think he was able to go so far into the setup process before the problem. I can be wrong and it has been a long time since I installed Windows98, but doesn't windows make some effort to identify your video card at some point in the setup process?
I would really appreciate it if somebody would let me know if video selection is part of the Windows98setup or if you have to do it manually after you have installed? CH |
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08-04-2002, 09:31 PM
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Windows 98 Setup txt file says to follow this procedure under the circumstances outlined:
"If your display is blank or unreadable when Windows starts: * Restart your computer. * Press and hold CTRL until the Microsoft Windows 98 Startup menu appears. * Select Safe mode. Windows starts in VGA mode. * Right-click the desktop. * Click Properties. * In the Display Properties dialog box, click Settings. * Click OK. Windows notifies you that it will restart in VGA mode. * Click Yes, and restart your computer. When your computer restarts, it will be running in VGA (640x480, 16-color) mode. You can now reset your display settings by right-clicking the desktop, clicking Properties, and then clicking Settings. If the resolution you want to select is not available, choose another resolution (anything but 640x480, 16-color), and let Windows restart. The full set of resolutions and color depths will be available after you restart your computer. NOTE: Your display can be blank for a number of reasons, including incorrectly set refresh rates, an incompatible display driver, an invalid mode, etc. Because the display is not visible in these cases, it is impossible to correct these problems without restarting in Safe Mode. In Safe Mode, Windows does not load your original display driver, so none of the display settings are available for you to change. Instead, Windows automatically resets your display settings to the defaults (640x480, 16-color, single monitor, default refresh rate). Then, you can restart in normal Windows mode and make corrections to your display settings. After restarting your computer in Safe Mode, change the resolution to VGA. Not all display modes may appear in the Display Properties Settings dialog box. This is because when Windows 98 is running in VGA mode, the accelerated display driver is not loaded, so Windows cannot query it for available modes. Once you switch to another mode, Windows prompts you to restart so it can load the accelerated display driver. After the second restart, Windows 98 adds the full mode list supported by your display hardware to the Display Properties Settings dialog box." If the problem arose when I think it might have, the above solution should work. CH Last edited by Computer Hobbyist; 08-04-2002 at 09:34 PM. |
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08-05-2002, 10:39 AM
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Ahhhh. Well i tried to format and it didnt work. it wont format. I tried going into dos and formatting C from D, but it says it cant format because windows is using it. I really dont like this problem, i tried just installing windows again but it didn't work. CH, that didn't solve it either. It is unreadable and the whole display is messed up. You guys think i shiould bring it to a shop or keep trying on my own?
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08-05-2002, 11:03 AM
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Hi BrettRandell,
You can't format that hard drive? Have you tried another hard drive in that system? What about stripping the system down to the bare necessities (without soundcard and modem or NIC, 1 stick of RAM) and trying to work with it? Win98 has a problem when more than 512MB of RAM is used unless you make a tweak to the vcache settings. Try your system with only the 256MB stick.  Cricket
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08-05-2002, 04:03 PM
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Find a Windows98 boot disk. Create one on another machine if necessary.
Boot the system with the boot disk. You can then format. If, like Colonel Sanders, you have the wrong file system installed, running fdisk before you reformat should take care of the problem. I doubt if that is really your problem, but what the heck. You should then be in a position to reinstall Windows. I note that you are trying to install Windows 98 instead of Windows 98se. You might want to make sure that your card is supported by Windows 98 1st. You really should try to find your Windows 98se disk and us it if possible. Keep us advised. CH Last edited by Computer Hobbyist; 08-05-2002 at 04:06 PM. |
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08-05-2002, 05:51 PM
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Hey everyone,
Thanks for all of the help. Ill try using just the 256 stick of ram, and ill try and reformat...i tried with the boot disk and it didnt work and i was barely able to read. Ill keep trying stuff to get it to work. I've created a boot disk of windows 98se (there was a website that had downloadable doot disk files) but dont i still need the CD. Is it illegal to download a copy of 98se even though i previously owned it, and have my own serial number? I am just wondering if it is legal or not to do that? (you know how they say with ROMS, you can only use them if you have the game). Well anyway, thanks guys ill keep trying. |
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08-05-2002, 06:00 PM
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When you start your system, are you able to read your bios information, or is that corrupted as well?
The reason I ask is that neither windows nor anything else on your harddrive has anything to say about your display (or anything else) when you boot from a boot disk. When you say that you can barely read your boot disk, I assume you are having the same display problems you have in windows. In such event you might be better off trying a new or different video card, or checking your display. It could be your card just happened to go bad when you were installing windows and windows is not the culprit. CH Last edited by Computer Hobbyist; 08-05-2002 at 06:06 PM. |
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08-05-2002, 07:01 PM
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yeah even the bios is messed up....but then again while windows was installing it might have hit an error with the 768 ram if it cant handle more than 512. And nevermind about the legal 98se thing, because my dads work has windows 2000 pro so im gonna get that.
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08-06-2002, 03:12 AM
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If the BIOS screen is messed up, you might want to swap either the monitor or the video card to determine which of them is faulty. I strongly suspect that one of those has failed. Windows has nothing to do with your display when you are in your BIOS screen.
CH Last edited by Computer Hobbyist; 08-06-2002 at 03:14 AM. |
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08-06-2002, 11:53 AM
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Hmm... i think im going to bring it to a computer store tommorow (dont worry i know these guys and they're really good) because i cant format at all...i've tried those ways. So hopefully they can fix it.
I knwo the monitor is working but if the video card was messed up then wouldnt there be no signal to the monitor? |
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08-06-2002, 02:50 PM
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If the video card is faulty you can either get nothing, garbled display or other graphical glitches.
I think CH is right about either the monitor or the card. Brett I've just re-read your last post. Can you bring us up to date with what's new and what's from the last build. Last edited by mike breck; 08-06-2002 at 02:58 PM. |
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08-06-2002, 09:06 PM
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Hey again. Well the whole computer is new but i replaced the cpu,mobo, and video card because we were guessing one of hsoe was faulty so i replaced them all to make sure.
And.....good news I got my computer working. You were right, i tried a different graphics card (an old PCI tnt2) and the computer works...so im gonna replace the new vid card because it was faulty and then reinstall it. But anyway, thank you all for the help. later |
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