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02-07-2003, 03:54 PM
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replacing a hard drive
My first post to what seems like a fantastic resource.
I have an old PC in which the hard drive has died. It has a Pentium 2 350Mhz hard drive, 64Mb RAM and the HDD was 6Gb. Its approx 4 years old if that helps... I'd like to replace the fried Hard drive, but I have no idea what type of drive to buy. Can anyone give me a clue? I appreciate its quite a vague question, but the label on the front of the drive means absolutely nothing to me. Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks |
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02-07-2003, 04:07 PM
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You can get a Maxtor 60gb hard drive 7200rpm thats a very good hard drive but if you want u can user clone to backup your files on your harddrive or go with a Western Digital 60gb hard drive which I use and hasnt given me a problem yet!!!
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02-07-2003, 04:20 PM
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Thanks mate! Gives me something to go on...
I'm a bit confused about the type of drive I need - SCSI, UDMA etc Hope that makes it clearer!! |
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02-07-2003, 04:21 PM
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Hi bradford_snowboarder, Welcome to Pcmech
I agree with wicked, when it comes to HD's most people would say either Maxtor or Western Digital. Something that you should consider though is if your BIOS can handle a 60gig HD, I made the same mistake, I had an 4yr old Compaq Presario 5240 with a 10gig HD, and I went out and bought a big 80gig HD and BIOS could not recognize that big of an HD, so I had to go and buy a controller card that basically does all of the partitioning of the drive for you, but another way to do it is to check your manufacturer's website and see if they have BIOS updates that will allow your BIOS to handle it. Just be sure to do some research before you buy it, that way you can install and go. H.T.H.  avx
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02-07-2003, 04:30 PM
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Thanks AVX
However - my manufacturer went bust and was taken over. They now have the worst support possible so thats a non starter!
I'm happy to go to a PC World or somesuch place, but I hate them so its a last resort. |
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02-07-2003, 04:30 PM
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Yup, nice call avx487, I had the same issue with my old Pentium II. Sadly, it was a Micronics board sold by Diamond Multimedia, and by then Diamond had gone outta biz. No more updates for my BIOS.
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02-07-2003, 04:32 PM
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For better advice you should post some info about your system: who makes it? Your OS? Stuff like that helps. But I would assume cause your pc is about the same age as mine it uses the regular IDE cable hook up, IDE cables are the flat grey ribbons that go from you motherboard to your HD, to your DVD-ROM drive. If I am correct this should be a great HD for you.
H.T.H. avx |
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02-07-2003, 04:35 PM
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Welcome aboard, bradford_snowboarder!!!
You COULD get a large HDD and just use that maximum size that you are able to on that system. If you ever upgrade your computer you can transplant the HDD. I had similar setup and just bought another small HDD (10GB) on eBay to hold me over. I didn't want to spend a lot since I expected to upgrade and build my own system soon anyway but I wanted a new small drive to keep the old system running. Good Luck,
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02-07-2003, 04:43 PM
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My God! you're right...
Yes, the flat grey ribbons are there for sure. To begin with, I'm in the UK if it helps. Its a Tiny PC (the worst manufacter in the world). It runs Windows 98. I'm afraid I don't know much more as it was an off the shelf model and I bought it as a naive fool who believed the salesman in the showroom! Sorry I cant give more info. But from what I can gather, I'm looking to buy an IDE hard drive, with as close to the original Capacity (6Gb) as the original drive, so my BIOS will hopefully play along. I'm not bothered about capacity of the HD as I've given the machine to my brother mainly for Internet use. 6Gb would be fine but I dnot think you can buy that size any more. |
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02-07-2003, 05:02 PM
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The BIOS on your "Tiny PC" system is limited to 8 gb.
If you can find a BIOS update for yours, I think they can go as high as 30 gig...(got friends in the UK that mentioned that). It would probably be worth it to find a cheap used drive in the 6-8gb range, and save money for a new (build your own!) system. |
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02-07-2003, 05:03 PM
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EDIT: Sorry, I wasnt aware that "Tiny PC" was actually a kind of computer, lol, I thought you were actually just describing it. Aslo didnt know about the 8gig limit, sorry. Just follow reboots advice, he seems to know more about UK PC parts than me, glad I could help though
avx Last edited by avx; 02-07-2003 at 05:07 PM. |
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02-07-2003, 05:26 PM
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With the hard drive that you buy, you maybe able to get some type of BIOS fix(EZ-BIOS, etc) where even if your BIOS cannot handle the capacity you want, installing that program will allow it to handle that capacity or atleast some of it's capacity. Not sure about it though. Somebody correct me on that.
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02-07-2003, 06:22 PM
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Yes, you can use EZ-Bios, but it's a lousy way of hiding a problem. A PCI controller card is a much better solution.
Smallest new drives I see at dabs.com are 20gb, they are around £50. |
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02-08-2003, 10:04 AM
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Trouble is I wouldnt know what to do with a PCI controller card, or even where to put it!
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02-08-2003, 10:09 AM
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Will this HD work? No liabillity to anyone if I buy it & it doesnt work!
Product Description Maxtor Fireball 3 - hard drive - 20 GB - ATA-133 Type Hard drive - standard Form Factor 3.5" internal Dimensions (WxDxH) 10.2 cm x 14.6 cm x 1.8 cm Weight 0.5 kg Formatted Capacity 20 GB Interface Type DMA/ATA-133 (Ultra) Fast Drives Data Transfer Rate 133 MBps Average Seek Time 12 ms Spindle Speed 5400 rpm Cylinders 16383 Recoverable Errors ( Non-Recoverable Errors ) ( 1 per 10^15 ) Cache / Buffer Size 2 MB Manufacturer Warranty 1 year warranty Device Type Hard drive - standard Width 10.2 cm Depth 14.6 cm Height 1.8 cm Compatibility PC Form Factor 3.5" Enclosure Type Internal Features Data Protection System (DPS), Quiet Drive Technology (QDT), Ball-Bearing Technology (BB) motor, Shock Protection System (SPS) Drive Transfer Rate 133 MBps (external) Seek Time 12 ms (average) Average Latency 5.5 ms Non-Recoverable Errors 1 per 10^15 Start / Stop Cycles 50,000 Port(s) Total / Connector Type 1 x DMA/ATA-133 (Ultra) Fast Drives - 40 PIN IDC Bay(s) Required 1 x internal - 3.5" Service & Support 1 year warranty Service & Support Details Limited warranty - replacement - 1 year - response time: 2 days ª Technical support - e-mail consulting - 1 year Min Operating Temperature 5 ¦C Max Operating Temperature 55 ¦C Shock Tolerance 30 g @ 2ms half-sine pulse (operating) / 300 g @ 2ms half-sine pulse (non-operating) |
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02-08-2003, 10:27 AM
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as reboot mentioned, your pc can only handle an 8gig HD, atleast according to him, so really what you need to be doing is finding out if your BIOS can be upgraded, or you system can handle a Controller Card, your HD selection is no longer your problem, you got that down, you know the good brands are maxtor, seagate, and western digital, and that good sizes are between 20 and 60gigs, so you know what you need on that front, what you need to do now is find out more about your system itself, reboot says he knows people in the UK, and they told him your system can only handle an 8gig HD, so try and find out how you can upgrade that, whether it be by upgrading your BIOS, or getting a controller card. Just dont worry about what KIND of HD you want right now, concentrate on becomming more firmiliar with your system.
EDIT: Another thing I just noticed is the spindle speed is 5200rpm's, you want 7200rpm's so once again, when you get more in-tune with your system, look for one with 7200rpm's H.T.H. avx Last edited by avx; 02-08-2003 at 10:29 AM. |
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02-08-2003, 03:01 PM
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02-09-2003, 04:29 PM
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Nice one suitcase!!
I've put a bid in on Ebay for an 8Gb IDE HDD. Reckon it should be ok. Fingers crossed... |
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02-09-2003, 04:52 PM
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Bradford_Snowboarder, you are correct in your assumptions about Tiny PC's.....they ARE crap. Sorry they WERE crap, they went bust.
And stay away from PC World if you can help it. Their prices are absolutely scandelous.
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