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Corvette0096 · 03-14-2003, 08:31 AM

I am running at 95deg system and the Cpu is at 125-130. I called Amd and spoke to one of there techs and they said the chip is running at the right temp. That seems high to me. And is there a web site that shows the proper placement of cooling fans?

TIA
Rich

morriswindgate · 03-14-2003, 08:45 AM

AMD CPUs have a max temp of around 192 degrees F. At Idle these CPUs will be in the 35 to 40 degrees C (95 to 105 degF). At load these will peak at 55 to 70 Degrees C (131 to 158 degrees F)
And guess what, a similiar speed Pentium will operate at the same temps.
If these temps are in the BIOS after about 15 minutes then they are a little high and the reason will be an under-performing heatsink or case air flow problems.
If these temps are from a software monitoring program, then uninstall the program and never install another one as they are not accurate.
AS to case fans, I always install at least a rear fan exhausting the case. There is a lot of heat that comes off the video card and this fan helps to get it out. The next fan, if you decide to install one, should be in the front sucking air in.
As I have posted before, you never see any posts that go>
What Temp should my hard drive run at?
Is my Video card Running too hot?
What should the temp on my motherboard's chipset be at?
And the reason you don't is that there isn't some lousy software program that monitors it. And the three things I mentioned get as hot or hotter than the CPU temps you are seeing.
The temp problem with AMD CPUs is nothing but BS anymore.

Corvette0096 · 03-14-2003, 08:58 AM

These temps are read off my Bios. You are saying the CPU is running hot in my system?

Mac Medic · 03-14-2003, 08:59 AM

Thats a bit of a statement there, Most temp monitoring use the reporting features of the motherboard, wouldnt this make them as accurate as the Bios information. Personally I have not seen my temps reported inaccurately.

TwoRails · 03-14-2003, 09:01 AM

Hi Corvette0096,

I just want to say that morriswindgate is right on. CPU temps are more realitive than anything. If you want to monitor temps (I don't, except for a short while after a new build) then the key is to notice variations on you particular base line, not the actual number.

In other words, if your running fine at 130, and then it jumps to 150 or 160, then check out the system for problems (usually a dirty heat sink).

You can build two identical systems and the temps can be totally different for each system, and easily vary as much as 25°F

HTH

TwoRails

TwoRails · 03-14-2003, 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Corvette0096
These temps are read off my Bios. You are saying the CPU is running hot in my system?

No, you are not running hot. Your temps are in the low 50°C and that is more than acceptable.

TwoRails

Confused · 03-14-2003, 09:13 AM

125-132F ia 51-55C. AMD site says the XP line is good to 90C. As a personal note I prefer min a tad lower at idle but I wouldn't be overly concerned with your temps.

Set your mobo to sound a warning at 65C and to shut down at 70C and don't worry unless you hear the warning beep.

I've tried several software monitors in my two systems (one K6III and one XP1600) and none reported close to BIOS reported temps.

I tend to believe the BIOS and rather than constantly watch a monitor, I set my mobo to sound a warning. I tested to make sure that it works by setting it to warn at 50C. When it did I set it to 65C and haven't worried about temps since.

A few people on this forum have given AMD a underserved rap when it comes to temps. Intels run just as hot. Voltage equal heat. No way around that.

This is the reason that the overclockers need such cooling. When the system becomes unstable from increasing the FSB, they up the voltage to compensate. Voltage equals heat, hence the need for better cooling.
Chas

TwoRails · 03-14-2003, 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by oem_guy_2002
Thats a bit of a statement there, Most temp monitoring use the reporting features of the motherboard, wouldnt this make them as accurate as the Bios information. Personally I have not seen my temps reported inaccurately.

Hi oem_guy_2002,

Every have two or more monitoring programs running at one time? Which one would be more accurate when they all show different temps? And why do temps change with just a software rev of the same program?

That's why I say temps are relative. Even the differences between the same model and rev motherboard, as I noted above, and vary widely, so 44°C on one machine could (and I have seen this) be 59°C on another, identical computer.

TWoRails

morriswindgate · 03-14-2003, 09:30 AM

The human brain is the worlds worst measuring device when it comes to judging temp. 100 degF is really hot in our way of thinking, but to ceramics, mica, and metals this is cold. Electronics runs hot to us, but normal to it. I have some very large thermistors here at the plant that run close to 250 DegF 24/7, and have not had a single failure in 15 years.

Cricket · 03-14-2003, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Corvette0096
I am running at 95deg system and the Cpu is at 125-130. That seems high to me.

The temp reading for your particular CPU will depend on several things...ambient room temperature, the kind of parts you have installed, heatsink/fan unit, how big your case is, how many case fans you have installed, etc...if your system is running well and not locking up or freezing all the time, leave it alone.

A basic cooling setup is 1 fan in lower front of case for intake, 1 fan on the upper rear (usually under the power supply) for exhaust. Fast, high volume fans move more air, but they are much noisier than regular fans. And the more fans you install into your case, the more noisier your computer becomes.

Cricket

Corvette0096 · 03-14-2003, 10:27 AM

This is a brand new build. The system is Very stable There are 3 fans . There is one fan that is mounted on the side of the case and it id blowing on the M/B. The core Voltage is right on the money. The room temp is 68. The heat sink that I used came with the Cpu. One more question, When you are reading your Bios, That is at a idle?

Confused · 03-14-2003, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Corvette0096
One more question, When you are reading your Bios, That is at a idle?

Yes. You can hit "Pause" when screen comes up showing temps down at bottom or go into BIOS and read it from there. Same temps.
Chas

chip · 03-14-2003, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Confused
Set your mobo to sound a warning at 65C and to shut down at 70C and don't worry unless you hear the warning beep.

Is this a standard feature on most mobos? Specifically, I'm planning a build soon with the Asus p4pe. Anyone know if that's a feature on that board?

Confused · 03-14-2003, 03:40 PM

I've never worked with Asus but the two Epox boards that I've put XP chips on have the feature and I'm sure they have it. Even my old K6 boards have the warning and shutdown feature. It's under "Chipset Features setup".
Chas

TwoRails · 03-14-2003, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Corvette0096
This is a brand new build. The system is Very stable There are 3 fans . There is one fan that is mounted on the side of the case and it id blowing on the M/B. The core Voltage is right on the money. The room temp is 68. The heat sink that I used came with the Cpu. One more question, When you are reading your Bios, That is at a idle?

Looks pretty good, Corvette0096! I have no problems running the "stock" HS/fan combo that "came with" my 2700+

TwoRails

icallmedan · 03-14-2003, 09:39 PM

My computer runs from 89-98 degrees F.

Xanieth · 03-14-2003, 11:28 PM

My computer runs just a bit under 100 Fahrenheit. I could probably get that a few Celsius degrees down if I got rid of all the clutter near the intake fan.

***glc*** · 03-15-2003, 03:10 AM

Intel P4 processors are self-regulating - when they overheat they slow down and shut themselves off. The last thing you have to worry about with a P4 is cooling - the stock fan is plenty good for everything but serious overclocking.

130 degrees F is NOT HOT for an electronic component.

sleepypost · 03-17-2003, 09:42 PM

How 'nout that new system that runs at -35 C!!! I mean, that is cold!

Nuclear Krusader · 03-17-2003, 10:04 PM

System 39ºC. CPU 45ºC.

Intel P4 @ 2.4GHz. Stock HSF with TT paste.

drewK7VT2 · 03-17-2003, 10:48 PM

after my new modifications,

32C for the CPU core temp and 28C for the system temp

http://forum.pcmech.com/showthread.p...918#post407918

dackerman · 03-19-2003, 09:18 PM

My system idles at about 45-50 degrees, and it really doesn't seem to go above that at all. My idle and load temps are practically the same which seems kind of odd.

I don't look at my temps anymore, I enjoy my computer.

Dave

Spyda · 03-20-2003, 04:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nuclear Krusader
System 39ºC. CPU 45ºC.

Intel P4 @ 2.4GHz. Stock HSF with TT paste.

hmm, i thought mine was being stubborn and too hot as i was getting a little slowdown problem with zip files,
@ System 28ºC and CPU 46ºC
are you running totally fine with that?

xseveredx · 03-28-2003, 02:37 AM

42C CPU temperature
30C system

with a medium load

03-14-2003, 08:31 AM	#1
Corvette0096 Member (4 bit) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: WA. Posts: 14	What are your system temps? I am running at 95deg system and the Cpu is at 125-130. I called Amd and spoke to one of there techs and they said the chip is running at the right temp. That seems high to me. And is there a web site that shows the proper placement of cooling fans? TIA Rich Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

03-14-2003, 08:45 AM	#2
morriswindgate Banned Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Bakersfield,CA Posts: 7,761	AMD CPUs have a max temp of around 192 degrees F. At Idle these CPUs will be in the 35 to 40 degrees C (95 to 105 degF). At load these will peak at 55 to 70 Degrees C (131 to 158 degrees F) And guess what, a similiar speed Pentium will operate at the same temps. If these temps are in the BIOS after about 15 minutes then they are a little high and the reason will be an under-performing heatsink or case air flow problems. If these temps are from a software monitoring program, then uninstall the program and never install another one as they are not accurate. AS to case fans, I always install at least a rear fan exhausting the case. There is a lot of heat that comes off the video card and this fan helps to get it out. The next fan, if you decide to install one, should be in the front sucking air in. As I have posted before, you never see any posts that go> What Temp should my hard drive run at? Is my Video card Running too hot? What should the temp on my motherboard's chipset be at? And the reason you don't is that there isn't some lousy software program that monitors it. And the three things I mentioned get as hot or hotter than the CPU temps you are seeing. The temp problem with AMD CPUs is nothing but BS anymore. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

03-14-2003, 08:58 AM	#3
Corvette0096 Member (4 bit) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: WA. Posts: 14	These temps are read off my Bios. You are saying the CPU is running hot in my system? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

03-14-2003, 08:59 AM	#4
Mac Medic Member (11 bit) Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,729	Thats a bit of a statement there, Most temp monitoring use the reporting features of the motherboard, wouldnt this make them as accurate as the Bios information. Personally I have not seen my temps reported inaccurately. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

03-14-2003, 09:01 AM	#5
TwoRails Member (14 bit) Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Great NorthWest Posts: 12,594	Hi Corvette0096, I just want to say that morriswindgate is right on. CPU temps are more realitive than anything. If you want to monitor temps (I don't, except for a short while after a new build) then the key is to notice variations on you particular base line, not the actual number. In other words, if your running fine at 130, and then it jumps to 150 or 160, then check out the system for problems (usually a dirty heat sink). You can build two identical systems and the temps can be totally different for each system, and easily vary as much as 25°F HTH TwoRails Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

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03-14-2003, 09:13 AM	#7
Confused Member (13 bit) Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: Mt Washington, KY Posts: 4,927	125-132F ia 51-55C. AMD site says the XP line is good to 90C. As a personal note I prefer min a tad lower at idle but I wouldn't be overly concerned with your temps. Set your mobo to sound a warning at 65C and to shut down at 70C and don't worry unless you hear the warning beep. I've tried several software monitors in my two systems (one K6III and one XP1600) and none reported close to BIOS reported temps. I tend to believe the BIOS and rather than constantly watch a monitor, I set my mobo to sound a warning. I tested to make sure that it works by setting it to warn at 50C. When it did I set it to 65C and haven't worried about temps since. A few people on this forum have given AMD a underserved rap when it comes to temps. Intels run just as hot. Voltage equal heat. No way around that. This is the reason that the overclockers need such cooling. When the system becomes unstable from increasing the FSB, they up the voltage to compensate. Voltage equals heat, hence the need for better cooling. Chas Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ I may not be much, but I'm all I think about. Last edited by Confused; 03-14-2003 at 09:16 AM.

03-14-2003, 09:30 AM	#9
morriswindgate Banned Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Bakersfield,CA Posts: 7,761	The human brain is the worlds worst measuring device when it comes to judging temp. 100 degF is really hot in our way of thinking, but to ceramics, mica, and metals this is cold. Electronics runs hot to us, but normal to it. I have some very large thermistors here at the plant that run close to 250 DegF 24/7, and have not had a single failure in 15 years. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

03-14-2003, 10:27 AM	#11
Corvette0096 Member (4 bit) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: WA. Posts: 14	This is a brand new build. The system is Very stable There are 3 fans . There is one fan that is mounted on the side of the case and it id blowing on the M/B. The core Voltage is right on the money. The room temp is 68. The heat sink that I used came with the Cpu. One more question, When you are reading your Bios, That is at a idle? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

03-14-2003, 03:40 PM	#14
Confused Member (13 bit) Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: Mt Washington, KY Posts: 4,927	I've never worked with Asus but the two Epox boards that I've put XP chips on have the feature and I'm sure they have it. Even my old K6 boards have the warning and shutdown feature. It's under "Chipset Features setup". Chas Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

03-14-2003, 09:39 PM	#16
icallmedan Member (12 bit) Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 2,309	My computer runs from 89-98 degrees F. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

03-14-2003, 11:28 PM	#17
Xanieth Member (6 bit) Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 33	My computer runs just a bit under 100 Fahrenheit. I could probably get that a few Celsius degrees down if I got rid of all the clutter near the intake fan. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

03-15-2003, 03:10 AM	#18
*glc* Forum Administrator Staff Premium Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Joplin MO Posts: 36,460	Intel P4 processors are self-regulating - when they overheat they slow down and shut themselves off. The last thing you have to worry about with a P4 is cooling - the stock fan is plenty good for everything but serious overclocking. 130 degrees F is NOT HOT for an electronic component. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

03-17-2003, 09:42 PM	#19
sleepypost Member (11 bit) Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Orinda, California Posts: 1,863	How 'nout that new system that runs at -35 C!!! I mean, that is cold! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

03-17-2003, 10:04 PM	#20
Nuclear Krusader Mondsreitersmann Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: Skingrad Posts: 8,734	System 39ºC. CPU 45ºC. Intel P4 @ 2.4GHz. Stock HSF with TT paste. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ Darum still, füg' ich mich, wie Gott es will. Nun, so will ich wacker streiten, und sollt' ich den Tod erleiden, stirbt ein braver Reitersmann.

03-17-2003, 10:48 PM	#21
drewK7VT2 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 412	after my new modifications, 32C for the CPU core temp and 28C for the system temp http://forum.pcmech.com/showthread.p...918#post407918 Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

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03-19-2003, 09:18 PM	#22
dackerman Member (8 bit) Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Oakton, VA Posts: 159	My system idles at about 45-50 degrees, and it really doesn't seem to go above that at all. My idle and load temps are practically the same which seems kind of odd. I don't look at my temps anymore, I enjoy my computer. Dave Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

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