mac or win

[sleepypost]

Oh, the conversion ads? those are different you could say. I think that those are bunk. People who are trying to advocate the USEFULNESS of a Mac over a PC are gravely mistaken.

[Mac Medic]

Very good points from most everybody here. I agree that If Final Cut ever gets ported to X-86 i will use a PC to edit as they are most certainly faster. Hell, for that matter if OS-X gets ported i'll say adios to Mac Hardware and windows too. I just don't see it happening, so IMHO there will always be needs for a Mac to fill, at least for me. So i guess software right now dictates my needs. Final Cut Pro, iTunes for my iPod, (which by the way is a windows iPod i converted to Mac after it got corrupted 4 times by the damn read ahead write failed thing in XP on my PC ) and the other stuff like sherlock etc. are just bonuses. I just think it would be nice to be able to discuss Mac's here without getting flamed, ridiculed etc.. Afterall, this is the PC Mech and Mac's are PC's.

[sleepypost]

Sorry, i disagree, Macs are not defined as PCs.

[Nuclear Krusader]

They are still Personal Computers.

[RenegadeKing]

oem guy, OS X has been ported to the x86. It's just the kernel though, none of the fancy gui stuff.

Some links:
http://forum.pcmech.com/showthread.p...threadid=32465

[sam21]

Mac 4 life dood!

[lil Jimmie]

Originally posted by Nuclear Krusader They are still Personal Computers.

It's hard to get personal with a computer you cannot build.

[Mac Medic]

sorry Jimmy, but you can build a Mac if you're so inclined, a little research may help before flaming something.

[Force Flow]

You can build one, but it's a heckavalot more expensive than building a PC.

I use Macs and PCs side-by-side for graphics work. I must say that I prefer PCs over the G4's because of the apps available and their processing power. Sure O/S 10 has some nice eye candy, but it doesn't really do anything.

It's much harder to find things that will be compatible with macs. The support for them is quite small. The support between the two platforms is like a bowling ball vs. a ping pong ball. Not much compititon in that respect.

Now, if O/S were available for PCs. I'm sure that more people would accept the O/S, thus increasing the amount of users who use it, thus increasing the amount of support, thus increasing the number of apps available.

[sam21]

Ok also IMO Mac is like the luxury line of computers I don't know why,maybe because evrything looks good...and I mean everything even the volume control knob

[RenegadeKing]

You may be able to build a mac, but it's totally impractical. Where are you actually going to find a G4 cpu to buy anyway?

[lil Jimmie]

Ok, yeah one could build one, but what's the point of having an over priced piece of art that does not appreciate in value.

[sleepypost]

Macs are not as personal as PCs because they don't allow as much tweaking with the interface/ progs/ apps and you can't upgrade parts as easily when you want to or have to.

BUT!!! Thats not a bad thing for some people, so i say, if you love macs, good for you! If you like PCs good for you!

[Cricket]

I'm surprised this thread hasn't been locked yet. Some of the comments are borderline.

Cricket

[ssahl]

Originally posted by lil Jimmie Ok, yeah one could build one, but what's the point of having an over priced piece of art that does not appreciate in value.

They do hold there value alot better then any PC.

Sleepypost, I think your totally right about the tweaking of the OS.

Macs are like the most Proprietary computer there is, but if I had to choose between a mac and a compaq, hp, gateway, or something like that, there is no dought that I would choose a mac. Good thing I dont HAVE to choose between just those, that's why I built my own PC. Lets not forget, that hardware wise there pretty much the same. there are so many things about each that make them better then the other.
on a mac when you burn a cd you dont have to do the image file thing to make it bootable, just copy and paste and it will boot. troubleshooting a mac can be done in seconds, a pc can take forever.

which is better:

manual or automatic
sports car or 4X4
streetbike or dirtbike
playstation2 or xbox

you get the point, it's all personal preference. If one was really and truly better then the other in most everyway, then nobody would have that one, would they.

[Big Weapons]

Macs are for the simple user.

You can settle for less performance and jump right into computing. Nothing to build, nothing to tweak. Just remember this: It depends on what environment the computer is going to be used for. If there isn't anything extremely intensive, and they have the budget, a Mac will be there. (or if they want it set up really fast)

PCs are more of a hobbyist thing. Yeah. It's 2am and I can't think...

[Mac Medic]

Originally posted by RenegadeKing You may be able to build a mac, but it's totally impractical. Where are you actually going to find a G4 cpu to buy anyway?

Here's one place

http://www.sonnettech.com/product/encore_stg4.html

Expensive though.

[Redo40]

I think what started out as a "Which do you prefer" thread turned into a bad mouthing thread. Macs have their place in the market just as the PC does. I don't think either one is a bad computer, just different. So it boils down to personal preference and need. Neither one should be put down.

[shazam]

This is more of a ?.The state of Maine has supplied their 7th. graders with lap tops. Some of you are saying that this is a mistake. THe ? is did they make a mistake and the kids will learn less. Or is speed and games a factor in the learning process? I know nothing about macs and little about win.

[jm35]

dude, nothing can make me not love a mac.Nothing.My login name should mac_lover_4eva

[RenegadeKing]

Originally posted by shazam This is more of a ?.The state of Maine has supplied their 7th. graders with lap tops. Some of you are saying that this is a mistake. THe ? is did they make a mistake and the kids will learn less. Or is speed and games a factor in the learning process? I know nothing about macs and little about win.

Not sure I understand what you are saying.. Did maine supply kids with mac or windows laptops? What does this have to do with mac or windows?

[sleepypost]

Originally posted by ssahl Sleepypost, I think your totally right about the tweaking of the OS. which is better: manual or automatic sports car or 4X4 streetbike or dirtbike playstation2 or xbox

If this is some kind of, "dude, they are both good" question bank i would have to answer:

A Manual is bette than an auto. A Sports car is better than a 4x4. A dirtbike is better than a streetbike and a Playstation2 is MUCH better than an XBox. just my answers.

[Mac Medic]

It's strange how people think it's not possible to tweak or upgrade a Mac. Sure it's not necessary, neither are tech support calls But if you are so inclined the OS is infinately "tweakable", even more so if one installs X-11. As for upgrading, tell me 1 part that cant be upgraded. I even upgeaded the processor in my powerbook, having said that I also upgraded the processor in an old Compaq notebook I once had, so it's possible for wintel notebooks too, just a matter of perception is all. As far as switchers leaving the PC Gene Pool, how many casual PC users do you think would be comfortable with a Unix OS?. Very few as is proven by the adoption of Linux, then compare that to the adoption of OS-X amongst Mac users, and the number of Unix "Geeks" switching to OS-X simply because of the OS and maybe you'll agree we're not all retards regardless of the implication.

[sleepypost]

Originally posted by oem_guy_2002 As for upgrading, tell me 1 part that cant be upgraded.

Sorry to do this but ill ask:

Can you add 6 additional USB ports or more?
Can you add up to 3 GB of RAM?
Can you add 4 ROM drives (Burner, DVD, CD, CD)?
Can you upgrade to the latest AGP graphics cards (ie 256 mb or higher)?
Can you add a tv tuner?
Can you add additional FireWire ports?
Can you add an oem Heatsink?
Can you add a front fan filter (keeps dust out)?
Can you upgrade the PSU?

The list goes on and on and on...

I am on your side when you say Macs are awesome. I do not agree however when you try to compare the limitations of a PC to the limitations of a Mac.

[ssahl]

yes
yes
yes
no
yes
yes
probably but why
maybe
no

who do you think started firewire, 4 ROM drives, ah I dont know why mac stoped making them with SCSI drives, probably because of money, but that would be 14 drives.

[Mac Medic]

1. Yes
2. Yes (even more actually in some cases)
3. of course
4. Yes, radeon 9700 pro mac edition
5. Yes
6. Yes
7. Why? It comes with an OEM heatsink
8. Probably, (but you would have to cut a hole which would let in dust in the first place, so why bother)
9. Yes, I posted a link above for CPU upgrades.

[bigdog92]

i wouldnt touch a mac if you paid me to for a couple reasons. First they are extremely overpriced. Who in their right mind would pay that much for that computer. The only person i could see using these things are like oem guy who has made his points why and those are valid. Of course you can upgrade it but the cost factor difference is huge. Like 10 other people have said its just up to each person what they like, and i wouldnt touch a mac ever but thats just my opinoin.

[wintomato]

I'm sure there's been plenty of discussions.. arguments about this. It seems to me they both do an excellent job, but the mac is for people that just want it to look good and want to just use it, and the pc is for people that want to use it and tweak it. Macs are more expensive.

[sleepypost]

NO YOU GUYS!

you cant just say yes when the answer is no. You cannot add four or more drives to a Mac. Sure you can link them with a thousand wires, but that is not UPGRADING your system. An upgrade would be adding the drives in a SANE manner so that they are installed in the case and connected to the Mainboard using IDE cables. That is a lot different then conncecting them with firewire to read/ write from. Im talking about UPGRADING the part and installing the part.

Again, you cannot connect 4 additional drives by means of IDE cables.

Also, many enthusiasts like having cool looking Heatsinks (ie see thru ones).

[Cricket]

Originally posted by bigdog92 Who in their right mind would pay that much for that computer.

It's all relative...I remember seeing ads for 486 computers that were over $6000 (without monitor) back in the late 80's and early 90's and people bought those.

Cricket