mac or win

[Iman74]

Originally posted by oem_guy_2002 Ahh, I see, it all boils down to speed. So basically the faster the machine the greater worth it has. Nevermind if the slower machine can run all of the same programs plus a great deal more when you take into account programs for the Mac, UNIX programs that run under X and any Windows program in virtual PC. Nevermind the stability, speed of the PowerPC RISC processor and the sheer elegance and power of OS X, what it's all about really is pure speed. OK I get it now.

Nope, it also has to do that we can edit, tweak, twist, bend and do just about anything with Windows. Windows is fun while Mac is not.

Besides, as far as MAC and PC users, "can't we all just get along?"

[RenegadeKing]

Originally posted by sleepypost Also, many enthusiasts like having cool looking Heatsinks (ie see thru ones).

A see thru heatsink doesn't sound very effective at all, as I've never heard of see thru metal. A see thru fan though (which I think you mean) would be able to be done though I'm sure. Just unscrew the fan from the heatsink and put on a new one of the correct size. The problem with this though is that it's probably the stupidest idea ever because unless you put a window in the side of your mac, you are never going to see it.

[shazam]

king they supplied them with mac s Sorry about that. But by some remarks it sounds as though mac s are not any good for school learning, because tthere are not enough programs available.

[RenegadeKing]

Macs are fine for schools. Basically all you need for school stuff is a word processor, internet, a typing program, and an encyclopedia.

[sleepypost]

Originally posted by RenegadeKing A see thru heatsink doesn't sound very effective at all, as I've never heard of see thru metal. A see thru fan though (which I think you mean) would be able to be done though I'm sure.

wise guy, of course i meant that.

As for my previous post, i am actually pretty annoyed that someone would just flat out answer "yes" when "no" is the truth. I guess it is evidence that there exists "MAC DENIAL" plain and simple.

[strossos]

Originally posted by oem_guy_2002 1. Yes 2. Yes (even more actually in some cases) 3. of course 4. Yes, radeon 9700 pro mac edition 5. Yes 6. Yes 7. Why? It comes with an OEM heatsink 8. Probably, (but you would have to cut a hole which would let in dust in the first place, so why bother) 9. Yes, I posted a link above for CPU upgrades.

heh, not picking on u but here is one more question:

you can do all that (my dad and i upgraded a macs proc and ram and hdd before, but it wouldnt accept a network card), but can you do it to make it worth it? meaning will it be reasonalbly priced? would it be reasonalbly easy to find? would it be easy to get tech support? and would it be easy to install?

yes, PCs are defently not easy, but are far more popular upgrading canidates than there mac counterparts, ease of parts, and price, are defently thought i would take into consideration when buying my next computer. i wouldnt want something i would have to ditch instead of just upping the proc a few years, or maybe adding a new mobo etc.

[Mac Medic]

Easy & Inexpensive?

Hell NO

[Mac Medic]

Originally posted by sleepypost NO YOU GUYS! you cant just say yes when the answer is no. You cannot add four or more drives to a Mac. Sure you can link them with a thousand wires, but that is not UPGRADING your system. An upgrade would be adding the drives in a SANE manner so that they are installed in the case and connected to the Mainboard using IDE cables. That is a lot different then conncecting them with firewire to read/ write from. Im talking about UPGRADING the part and installing the part. Again, you cannot connect 4 additional drives by means of IDE cables. Also, many enthusiasts like having cool looking Heatsinks (ie see thru ones).

So you mean were not allowed to add a PCI IDE Controller card either? Of course we can. We can add as many drives as we choose, just like a PC, cos guess what, it is a PC.

[Mac Medic]

Originally posted by Iman74 Nope, it also has to do that we can edit, tweak, twist, bend and do just about anything with Windows. Windows is fun while Mac is not. Besides, as far as MAC and PC users, "can't we all just get along?"

Probably not with rediculous quotes like that. You've obviously never used Os-X if you think it's not fun. Try installing X-11 and re-compiling Konquorer to run on a Mac, if thats not fun I don't know what is.

[Mac Medic]

Originally posted by sleepypost wise guy, of course i meant that. As for my previous post, i am actually pretty annoyed that someone would just flat out answer "yes" when "no" is the truth. I guess it is evidence that there exists "MAC DENIAL" plain and simple.

I really should be the one who is annoyed by this remark, as my answer is the absolute truth. You can buy a G4 Powermac with 4 drives directlly form apple, they all support 4 drives from the factory, then add as many more as you please with controller cards. Please refrain from the character attacks before researching the facts.

[Mac Medic]

http://www.microlandusa.com/microlan...u_id=ACARD-MAC

http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/IDE/

http://mirror.ati.com/products/builtdesktopmac.html

http://www.devdepot.com/aladdin-list.html?cref=647

http://www.apple.com/powermac/

Mac Compatible CDRW:
Lite-On LTR-52246S (52x24x52x) seeing as everyone likes Lite-On.
Lite-On LTR-48246S (48x24x48x)
and pretty much another drive you choose to name. After all, IDE is IDE

Mac Compatible DVD Drives:
Drive Brand: LG
Drive Model Number: GCC-4480B (48x24x48x + 16x DVD-ROM)
Drive Brand: Samsung
Drive Model Number: SM332 (32x10x40x + 12x DVD ROM)

Mac Compatible DVD Burners:
Drive Brand: Sony
Drive Model Number: DRU500AX

So Yes any of these can be added, may need some case modding but a lot of OEM boxes would for all these drives, So to sum-up, a powermac G4 can have 4 HDD on it's primary controller along with 2 optical drives. Add one of the PCI controller cards linked to above and add as many HDD's and optical drive as your heart desires and budget allows. As for the case modding, i'll leave that to someone a lot better qualified with a dremmel than me.

[Tuf]

I am not a Mac hater by any means. But it is past time they pay catch up in the computing power wars. It's not a fair statement to say that professional studios are all Mac today. The largest moviemakers have abandoned Mac for PCs in the last couple of years.

Mac builds a decent product that is ridiculously overpriced and not nearly as reliable as is being reported. But I will agree they are as good as most PC's. Just less powerful.

Mac's maybe upgradeable to a certain extent but Mac only parts are not readily available or reasonably priced. The only real difference is Mac's architecture and since it is less powerful that doesn't really lead most people to want to spend more.

Buck for buck Mac can't compete and that is why they have the market share they do. If they were more reasonably priced I believe you would see more of them.

[Strider]

I heard a rumor that Apple might start using Intel Based CPU's later on in the year or next year. From what I have read that Intel is getting a little upset with Microsoft budding up with AMD and that Apple is looking for way to increase their CPU speed, since Motorola can't or isn't willing to produce a faster cpu. If something like this were to happen, then I would say Microsoft top perch might be threaten, but the probability of it happening is probably less than 1 percent.

[Dangermouse1]

I have dual boot Windows ME and Linux Mandrake 9.0 and get the best of both worlds or should that be 2 worlds or even the worst of both worlds

[ssahl]

Not intel, but I think it's IBM.

[Strider]

Nope I heard it was Intel, I wish I could find the article (I'll keep looking), but I found this link that speculates it might be Intel :

http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/20...1030017047.htm

[Iman74]

Originally posted by oem_guy_2002 Probably not with rediculous quotes like that. You've obviously never used Os-X if you think it's not fun. Try installing X-11 and re-compiling Konquorer to run on a Mac, if thats not fun I don't know what is.

What is fun for one may not be fun for others. Fun is a matter of taste and opinion. You find it fun I don't!

[sam21]

Ok,leave all technical specs behind and go to its looks,Does nobody else agrees with me that Macs looks 100 times better than any PC because of better materials they use which leads to higher prices???

[Redo40]

Originally posted by sam21 Ok,leave all technical specs behind and go to its looks,Does nobody else agrees with me that Macs looks 100 times better than any PC because of better materials they use which leads to higher prices???

Any PC....hmmmm, nope can't agree with that one. If you want to spend the money any pc can be made to look sharp.

But I will agree they look better than off the shelf name brand pc's.

[sleepypost]

No way! my PC look 10x better than any mac.

So OEM_GUY, a G4 is the only Mac that has the drive architecture of a PC? (meaning sufficient means to upgrade to as many drives) that is ONE model of a mac. You cant tell me you can add four additional drives to an imac. or wait, actually let me guess:

(my friend e-mailed me this

HOW TO UPGRADE AN iMAC:

Step 1: Melt plastic cover and remove drive.

Step 2: While plastic is still soft, mold into a shape that resembles 9 PC case bays. (additional plastic sold seperately, contact Apple for the $3000 plastic kit).

Step 3: When plastic cools, insert drives and PCI cards GALORE.

Step 4: Go to PC mech and post pics.

[RenegadeKing]

Jeezus, who cares if you can't add 4 cd drives to an iMac. Enough of the mac bashing. If you want a mac, get a mac. If you want a wintel machine, get one. If you want lintel, get it. It's your choice. It's great to express your opinion on the matter, but it gets old fast after you say the same thing about 10 times and refuse to believe anyone else.

[sam21]

and really WHO REALLY needs 4 cd drives??

[sam21]

Originally posted by Redo40 Any PC....hmmmm, nope can't agree with that one. If you want to spend the money any pc can be made to look sharp. But I will agree they look better than off the shelf name brand pc's.

exactly IF you want to spent the money,most people doesn't want to spend the money...

[Mac Medic]

Originally posted by sleepypost So OEM_GUY, a G4 is the only Mac that has the drive architecture of a PC? (meaning sufficient means to upgrade to as many drives) that is ONE model of a mac. You cant tell me you can add four additional drives to an imac.

Absolutely not, i would never try to convince you otherwise and wasn't trying to. To compare an iMac to a PC is only a fair comparison if comparing it to a wintel notebook, as both are extremly prepriatary. No, the only real apples to apples (kinda) comparison is with the G4 powermacs.

As to the processors, the IBM power pc risc processor is next for Apple, as motorola are stopping production of their Power Pc processor. The deal has been signed already. I was hoping for the Hammer deal to be finalized but it fell through. The IBM PPC will still process 128bit chunks rather than the 32 or 68bit of the x86 processors and will have 2mb level 3 cache like the current PPC, but should debut around 2.5ghz. Quite a bit faster than the current Moto PPC, but still way behind Intel, but with the 128bit architecture and level 3 cache the gap should narrow quite a bit. Probably not enough though as Intel will probably be over 4ghz by then. Oh yeah, Apple are scrapping the iMac entirely.

[ssahl]

I dont know about IBM, but if you compare a 1Ghz Intel or AMD to a 1Ghz motorola they are no where close to being the same. They may be rated at the same speed, but no way did they perform the same. Lucky for us though, Intel and AMD still make cpus that are faster then 1.25Ghz

[sleepypost]

Originally posted by oem_guy_2002 As to the processors, the IBM power pc risc processor is next for Apple, as motorola are stopping production of their Power Pc processor. The deal has been signed already. I was hoping for the Hammer deal to be finalized but it fell through.

I wish that Apple would open its doors completely and let the users decide what CPU they want in each model. I would love to have seen the new Opteron inside a Mac.

More exciting would be if Apple leased its OS X and higher! I was talking to a friend the other day and we both agreed that we would have dual boots into WinXP (or actually LONGHORN) and OS X (or OS X.1) That would make my dreams about reliving Apple again!

[Mac Medic]

Originally posted by sleepypost I wish that Apple would open its doors completely and let the users decide what CPU they want in each model. I would love to have seen the new Opteron inside a Mac.

You and me both, The Hammer would have kicked ass, not to mention being more cost effective.

Personally i think OS-X is one of the best OS's I have ever used, sure it can be buggy but cant they all?. I love getting into the depths of the OS and seeing what it can do. But you may be surprised to hear that a lot of mac faithful absolutely despise OS-X. It may have attracted a lot of Windows & Unix users but i'll bet it has scared off just as many Mac users.

[sleepypost]

Hehe, thats why it attracted the windows users. Personally, my REAL dream is to have Apple be as dominant as Microsoft. I would love to see OS-X and Windows Longhorn boxes sitting next to each other in Best Buy with a price tag of around 100 bucks each! Man, fair, oligopolistic competition is just what the doctor ordered.

[Mac Medic]

Now these are some funny "switch" ad's. How mac users hate OS-X. Unfortunately you have to watch a M$ ad first.

http://www.ifilm.com/filmdetail?ifilmid=2457896

http://www.ifilm.com/filmdetail?ifilmid=2457245

[sleepypost]

Hey, now i dont like Microsoft myself, i just like Windows. If Microsoft ONLY made windows i would like them a lot more. But no, they have to create MSN, harm Netscape and invade the videogame industry. I dont like the company, but i like their flagship product.