mac or win

[jm35]

wich one would you rather have.I personally go with the mac.I so want an imac,ibook,ipod, i anything.

[Nuclear Krusader]

It depends on what your job is. Mac is good for design but pretty much for nothing else.

I take Win over MacOS anyday. Mainly because there are so few programs for the Mac. Almost no games for the Mac.

[Surge1243]

Lately, I've been really wanting to get my hands on one of those new iMacs. I love the look and OS-X looks pretty sleek. However, I don't think there's anything that will ever pry me away from Windows, especially not the iMac's rather hefty price tag!

[Mac Medic]

I love it, "Mac is good for design but pretty much for nothing else."

That is too funny.

[fragmyster]

windows all the way!! you cant do much of anything on a mac.

[eshaft716]

what I wanna know is how do they make them flat out fly when they use processor speeds that are very low end in todays market. Seems like whenever I use a mac at school the thing down right haul a$$ while using what I'm pretty sure is about a 500mhz processor. The thing seems to out do my rig in some aspects. But I wont ever go to using a mac, I like my many software options and the prices for a mac are ridiculous

[Mac Medic]

"windows all the way!! you cant do much of anything on a mac"

Another good one. Man this is great.

One question to these two, when was the last time you owned a Mac? When was the last time you touched a Mac? what programs did you use? what were you doing that gave you the opinion that a Mac is good for nothing. A little info to support this please.

[lil Jimmie]

One question to these two, when was the last time you owned a Mac? Never

When was the last time you touched a Mac? last week

what programs did you use? Photoshop ran like an old dog on it

what were you doing that gave you the opinion that a Mac is good for nothing. slower than my P4

[Tuf]

Macs used to better choices for some design type work but that has changed. Their is better software available for PC now and PC hardware is so much more powerful.

I also like the the look of alot of Mac stuff but I don't have a use or it. My wife bought one of the newer Imac's with a flatscreen and I haven't done much more than walk by it. Even she doesn't use it, we don't really have any software for it. She bought it because it looks cool.

It's not pokey but it's certainly not fast. It has a pretty mediocre bunch of hardware in it.

[Mac Medic]

Ahh, I see, it all boils down to speed. So basically the faster the machine the greater worth it has. Nevermind if the slower machine can run all of the same programs plus a great deal more when you take into account programs for the Mac, UNIX programs that run under X and any Windows program in virtual PC. Nevermind the stability, speed of the PowerPC RISC processor and the sheer elegance and power of OS X, what it's all about really is pure speed. OK I get it now.

[Nuclear Krusader]

I gave my reasons above: almost no games for the Mac.

[strossos]

-Ahh, I see, it all boils down to speed. So basically the faster the machine the greater worth it has.

yes, pretty much, fastest for price, slow machines cant run games, or photoshop, or anything as good as a fast machine, if we didnt need speed the whole "new stuff" thing woudl be shot to hell


-Nevermind if the slower machine can run all of the same programs plus a great deal more when you take into account programs for the Mac, UNIX programs that run under X and any Windows program in virtual PC.

great, u can run all those same programs slower... much slower, that can be such a convience to some people when they just want to get things done!



-Nevermind the stability
xp hasnt crashed on me in a looong time, 98 was crap, me was crap, old oses were pretty bad, same with mac OS's also awhile ago, nowdays any modern OS is going to be pretty good. only windows is going to run 95% of the stuff out there without emulation that will slow it down to nothing.

-speed of the PowerPC RISC processor
and the even greater greater speed of a P4 or XP chip.


-and the sheer elegance and power of OS X, what it's all about really is pure speed. OK I get it now.


wow, thats sure some nice elegance that OS has, just in OSX u ahve to stick with it, xp there are millions of ways to config your computer to exactly you like it, make it more "elagent" or whatever. and im glad you get it, speed is life on computers.



and when the time comes when your "insanly fast" mac becomes a bit on the slow side, a time like yesterday or whatever, u cant even upgrade the thing like u can a pc! wow, u just have to toss it out and get a new one! i would like to see anyone try to build a mac out of part they ordered from a website and make it affordable, a pc on the other hand, that happens soooo much.



im realy not flaming you or whatever, so sorry if ur offended, just i think macs are poo nowdays compared with what is out ther.

[Mac Medic]

Mac’s are Poo. Wow that’s a good one. I think you just won me over with that argument. I agree with you entirely that PCs are faster. I also agree that Windows XP is an extremely stable operating system, I run it on five PCs and have never had an operating system failure, so we don't disagree here either. I also can install X Windows and to change the appearance of the operating system anytime I choose, as for other customizations I would say OS X is as customizable as Windows XP if not more so. Naturally as a user you are not stuck with the aqua interface. As for speed let me ask you this, how fast does final cut pro run on your Wintel? I’ll warrant a awful lot slower than on my G4 seeing as the industry standard nonlinear editing program isn't even available on Wintel. But how can that be you ask, how can the most popular movie editing software only be available on the inferior Macintosh computers. Perhaps because they are the best platform for the job. Speed possibly means everything to you, and rightfully so while you're sitting in your parents living room playing quake, but for the things I do, I insist on the best platform available which happens to be a Mac. Professional design studios use Macintosh for a reason as do professional movie editors. When I do decide I'm going to play a game I use one of my Wintel boxes as they are the best platform for the job. But to issue a blanket statement that Mac's are good for nothing just indicates ignorance of the platform and its capabilities.

[Computer Hobbyist]

Boys and girls, please let me give you my two cents on this topic. First and foremost, decide what you are going to do with the computer. That dictates what applications you will want to run. If the applications you want to run require a MAC, buy the MAC. If the applications you want to run require a PC, buy the PC.

Use should dictate application choice. Application choice should control platform and OS choice.


CH

[sleepypost]

yea the moderators don't stand for sarcasm in the first place guys.

Macs are EXCELLENT machines whether you like the speed or design. I am partial because i grew up with one and it played Dark Forces very well. I loved the interface and everything.

I am a PC lover now because i can build and mod and customize and tamper with WinXP! I love PCs now and I love Macs because of what they did to the industry. I will always have a place in my heart for Macs. Their price tag is just unreasonably high if you ask me! But in the end, yes, it is very fun to laugh at Mac owners because they are funny little people with funny little questions about computers. I hope that is fair.

[icallmedan]

Linux...LOL...no Windows...for sure.

[Mac Medic]

Then surely it's fair to laugh at the wintel crowd with their blue screening and unlimited problems.

I now only own 2 macs, having sold my G4 powermac, and I own 5 wintel boxes, so I hardly call myself a Mac person. I like them and i realize their potential and worth to certain things I do, obviously not everything. I also thoroughly enjoy building and using PC's, both Windows and Linux. Unfortunalely, most people are narrow minded and can't open themselves up to anything new. It has become acceptable on this forum to ridiclue Mac users and to a lesser extent Linux users, but god forbid you say anything bad about wintel or even worse AMD.

[strossos]

Originally posted by oem_guy_2002 Mac’s are Poo. Wow that’s a good one. I think you just won me over with that argument. I agree with you entirely that PCs are faster. I also agree that Windows XP is an extremely stable operating system, I run it on five PCs and have never had an operating system failure, so we don't disagree here either. I also can install X Windows and to change the appearance of the operating system anytime I choose, as for other customizations I would say OS X is as customizable as Windows XP if not more so. Naturally as a user you are not stuck with the aqua interface. As for speed let me ask you this, how fast does final cut pro run on your Wintel? I’ll warrant a awful lot slower than on my G4 seeing as the industry standard nonlinear editing program isn't even available on Wintel. But how can that be you ask, how can the most popular movie editing software only be available on the inferior Macintosh computers. Perhaps because they are the best platform for the job. Speed possibly means everything to you, and rightfully so while you're sitting in your parents living room playing quake, but for the things I do, I insist on the best platform available which happens to be a Mac. Professional design studios use Macintosh for a reason as do professional movie editors. When I do decide I'm going to play a game I use one of my Wintel boxes as they are the best platform for the job. But to issue a blanket statement that Mac's are good for nothing just indicates ignorance of the platform and its capabilities.

ok, sorry for whatever, im sarcastic at bad times


for the things i do, which are defently not playing quake in my parents living room, cause i make my own money to buy my own computers and software, i choose pc, i use photoshop alot, so does my dad, he is a graphics designer, his firm used macs, but they recently got pcs, and i recently build a pc for him to replace his mac, in both cases he loved the change and the power the pc gave to him, granted a mac may be good with video editing, but that if the software, if the software was for pc's, and it ran faster on pcs (no doubt it would, but that is my thoughts) then pcs would be the athority on that, just like if there was no graphical programs for pc, then everyone that needed some woudl use a mac. yea its just software controlls what u need, and basicly, almost everything is for PC now days, for the exception of that movie software.

other things that are poo:

mice are poo
flys are poo
tissues are poo
linux is poo
windows is poo
mac is poo
we are all poo.


maybe i should liven up a bit with some p and

weee ill be teh serious person1!!!!!

[bleem]

ok people wont agree with this, but these are the types of things that make me upset with mac, http://www.apple.com/switch/ads/

im not agaist thier os ect...but 100% windows bashing is just stupid for ads and can steer people away from thier own product

its at the point when you pick your platform for your tasks
itunes imovie iphoto photoshop=mac
everything else is pc

[Mac Medic]

Bleem-I agree, if someone wants to
buy a mac they will. No amount of
those ad's will change anyone's mind.

Strossos-I also agree with you. If final
cut were available for the PC it would be
faster and I would use it, but for now
I will have to keep overpaying for
mac's. And just incase you're interested,
the reason i sold my dually G4 is so
i can buy a 17"PB as soon as I can find
one guess I'm just a sucker for
punishment. By the way, I did appreciate
the sarcasm, it was very good.

[Strider]

Originally posted by oem_guy_2002 I’ll warrant a awful lot slower than on my G4 seeing as the industry standard nonlinear editing program isn't even available on Wintel. But how can that be you ask, how can the most popular movie editing software only be available on the inferior Macintosh computers. Perhaps because they are the best platform for the job. Speed possibly means everything to you, and rightfully so while you're sitting in your parents living room playing quake, but for the things I do, I insist on the best platform available which happens to be a Mac. Professional design studios use Macintosh for a reason as do professional movie editors.

While the Mac might be the Standard for Non-linear editing program, you are wrong when you say it isn't even available for Wintel, unless you are specifically pointing to a particur program which it doesn't look to me.

As for the Mac I haven't use one in years, but when I did they work great. If I had the money I probably would buy another one, but since I don't I stick with my PC based system.

[sleepypost]

Originally posted by oem_guy_2002 Bleem-I agree, if someone wants to buy a mac they will. No amount of those ad's will change anyone's mind.

The ad campaign Apple launched in the late ninties was THE DEFINATIVE ad campaign. One must argue that that is a pretty careless statement. Those ads (and the ones now) are very well done. People talked about those ads in everyday conversation. In fact, evident of the "new" Beetle VW, the colors and curves is a tried and true formula!

[bleem]

Sleepy...These are very negative ads throwing around misleading and exaggerated statements. I compare them to the ads you see around election time claiming how bad the other canidate is. Negative ads often show that the company has no way to present thier own product and make it look good without bashing something else. often ads like this will steer people away.

im sure people love to listen to ads like this... http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,54333,00.html
since when does a computer go "beep beep beep beep beep and deletes only half of your paper". not the whole thing just half.

as I said before if you like a mac get a mac, if you like a pc get a pc simple as that people dont need to fight over things like this. People dont get flamed for drinking Strawberry milk over plain.

[Redo40]

For what I do it's Win or should I say PC, cause I'm dabbling in Linux also. The main reason is price, I can build a pc as good or better than a mac cheaper. But if I was into video editing and movie making in a big way, I would buy a Mac.

[Colonel Sanders]

I think the days of the Mac being a video editing king are limited. Windows/x86 are picking up speed in that area.

I have never once ben on a Mac and ben impressed with speed. I have never liked the Mac OS or the new OS X fancy look.

I like being able to swap my parts and run 99% of all the software and hardware that I come across.

Perhaps the main reason a Mac is so much faster as people claim is because when they are new, Apple likes to use the top preformance parts, and as many new trying to stay on the bleeding edge is a bad idea. Apple makes this worse because you simply cant upgrade an Apple.

As far as the apple switch articles, I'll bet most of those people don't really undersand the full potential of a PC or how to properly use a PC. . Even if those people know what they are doing, those advertisments are still wrong for bashings windows and claiming Mac can improve your life.

Maybe for a video editor, today, a Mac is a good choice but IMO, Windows is the better choice for the general public.

L J

[Nuclear Krusader]

[ssahl]

like was said already it all depends on what your going to use the computer for.
some things would be a toss up, but others it's clear what would be better, like theres no way any serious gamer would have a mac, just like any professional music recording studio will be using a mac. (the top dogs) I can tell you that anyone who has seen the new 17" powerbooks from mac would never say 'nah I dont want one of those' they are awsome, and they look totally trick, 17" display that spanks on any pc notebook display thats out there, DVD-RW, GeForce4, I think it even comes with final cut pro. I will say that for anyone who is new to computers all together, mac OS is easier to learn then Windows, which in my opinion may be good at first, but later after/if one has used a computer for awhile and maybe starts to be something of a tech, becomes more of a hinder then a help. My first computer was an old LC mac with a 68040 cpu that ran at blazing 25Mhz, but I could pretty much do whatever I want on it, surf and everything and it would never crash or lock up.

[strossos]

one thing i have to say is the switchers that go to macs have to be the stuipedest people alive thank god there out of the pc gene pool :P

mac switch ad: "i was ripping out cards trying to get my printer to work"
pci cards for a printer??? if he has a mother board that wierd that doesnt have a printer port, i am not surprised he is having trouble,

and everone knows pcs really just dont randomly start beeping when something goes wrong

[hotlee2002]

Damn prices in comparison to PCs

[RenegadeKing]

Wow, that Feiss girl in that Mac ad is definitely stoned. Why should I believe her that it deleted half her paper? That isn't even possible. I hope the same thing happens to her on her nice new mac.

As for Mac vs Windows, I really don't care what you use. Use what you like and feel comfortable with. I do like the iPod though. But if I ever get one, I'm installing linux on it. http://ipodlinux.sourceforge.net/index.shtml