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07-25-2003, 08:49 AM
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AMD rig vs INTEL rig
Both these systems do not include any CD/DVD/Floppy drives because I have still not decided what exactly my needs will be and I can get some good deals on these locally. That being said I plan to build two machines, one AMD and one intel that will provide roughly the same performance. These will be used primarily for gaming.
AMD RIG: CHIEFTEC Server Chasis (Aluminum Workstation Tower with Plastic Front Cover) SILVER COLOR w/ 450W Power Supply, Side acrylic window and a Case Fan on Side Window **Now with 2 x Front USB2.0 and 1 x Firewire IEEE1394 ports** Model AX-01BLD Retail Weights Only 18LBs! Specifications: Material:Aluminum Form Factor:ATX Side See Through Window w/ Fan Bays:4 x 5.25", 2 x 3.5", Internal: 4 x 3.5". Expansion Slots:7 Fans:2 rear Mounted Fan and 1 side panel Fan 450 W Power Supply more info-> N82E16811125225 $92.99 $92.99 ►On Sale! Asus Motherboard for AMD Athlon XP/Duron Processors, Model# A7N8X Deluxe Retail Socket A AMD Athlon XP/Duron (support AMD XP 3200+ "Barton") Chipset: NVIDIA nForce2 Ultra SPP, nForce2 MCP-T FSB: 400/333/266MHz IDE: 2 x ATA133 RAM: Dual Channel DDR 400 3x 184-pin DIMM Sockets (PC3200/PC2700/PC2100 non-ECC DDR) Slots: 1x AGP (Pro/8X), 5x PCI Ports: 6x USB2.0 Onboard Silicon Image Sil 3112A Controller w/ 2 ports NVIDIA SoundStorm Audio Processor Unit with Dolby MCP integrated 3Com MAC + Broadcom AC101L PHY LAN Firewire 1394: 2 Ports MCP-T integrated IEEE 1394a + Realtek PHY 8801B more info-> N82E16813131436 $131.99 $131.99 ATI All-In-Wonder RADEON 9700 128MB DDR 8X AGP non-Pro RETAIL Specifications: Chipset: ATI RADEON 9700 (All in wonder) Memory: 128MB DDR Bus: AGP 8X Complete DirectX® 9.0 support Hand held remote to control your PC applications Stereo TV tuner with 125 channels 8-pixel pipeline architecture, providing twice the rendering power of any competing product currently on the market Easily edit video into your own creations: Video CD and DVD Authoring Ports:VGA + DVI + Svideo in/out (see pics for additonal ports) Retail box with software more info-> N82E16814102285 $299.00 $299.00 AMD ATHLON XP 2800 "Barton" 333 FSB PROCESSOR CPU- OEM Specifications: CPU: 2.08 GHz Type: XP 2800 Barton Core Cache: 512K L2, 128K L1, Total 640KB BUS: 333MHz Socket A OEM (Processor Only) more info-> N82E16819103376 $169.00 $169.00 CORSAIR MEMORY XMS Extreme Memory Speed Series, (Twin Pack) 1GB(2 x 512MB) 2x(64MX64) TWINX1024-3200C2 With Black Heat Spreaders.Retail Specifications: Speed 400 MHz Organization 2 x 64M x 64 Memory type DDR Part number: TWINX1024-3200C2 more info-> N82E16820145449 $239.00 $239.00 ►On Sale! WD WESTERN DIGITAL "SPECIAL EDITION" 120GB 7200RPM EIDE HARD DRIVE MODEL # WD1200JB - OEM, DRIVE ONLY Specifications: Size: 120 Gigabytes Interface: IDE ULTRA ATA100 Seek time: 8.9ms RPM:7200 Cache 8MB OEM(Drive alone) 3 Year Manufacturer Warranty more info-> N82E16822144118 $104.00 $104.00 Subtotal » $1,035.98 INTEL RIG: CHIEFTEC Server Chasis (Aluminum Workstation Tower with Plastic Front Cover) BLACK COLOR w/ 450W Power Supply, Side acrylic window and a Case Fan on Side Window **Now with 2 x Front USB2.0 and 1 x Firewire IEEE1394 ports** Model AX-01BLD Retail Weights Only 18LBs! Specifications: Material:Aluminum Form Factor:ATX Side See Through Window w/ Fan Bays:4 x 5.25", 2 x 3.5", Internal: 4 x 3.5". Expansion Slots:7 Fans:2rear Mounted Fan and 1 side panel Fan 450 W Power Supply more info-> N82E16811125224 $92.99 $92.99 ASUS Motherboard for Intel Pentium 4 / Celeron Processors, 800Mhz FSB Model# P4P800 Deluxe Retail Specifications: Supported CPU:P478 Pentium 4 / Celeron HT Chipset: Springdale 865PE + ICH5R FSB:800/533/400 MHz RAM:2 Channel DDR400/333/266 Support Max 4GB IDE  ual Ultra DMA ATA100/66 up to 4 Devices RAID: Dual Channel 133/100/66/33 up to 4 Devices and SATA Slots:1x AGP (8X) 5x PCI Ports:2xPS2, 1xCOM,1xLPT,1x Audio, 1xLAN,2x IEEE, 8xUSB20 Onboard Audio:AD 1985 6 Channel Codec Onboard LAN:3COM Gigabit LAN 1000/100/10 802.11b Onboard SATA: Dual Channel Serial ATA up to 150MBs Onboard Firewire: 2 1394 Firewire ports built-in Intel PAT (Intel Performance Acceleration Technology) It helps to boost performance by 3~5%. more info-> N82E16813131450 $136.99 $136.99 ATI All-In-Wonder RADEON 9700 128MB DDR 8X AGP non-Pro RETAIL Specifications: Chipset: ATI RADEON 9700 (All in wonder) Memory: 128MB DDR Bus: AGP 8X Complete DirectX® 9.0 support Hand held remote to control your PC applications Stereo TV tuner with 125 channels 8-pixel pipeline architecture, providing twice the rendering power of any competing product currently on the market Easily edit video into your own creations: Video CD and DVD Authoring Ports:VGA + DVI + Svideo in/out (see pics for additonal ports) Retail box with software more info-> N82E16814102285 $299.00 $299.00 ►On Sale! Intel Pentium 4 / 2.4CGHz 512k socket 478 Hyper Threading Technology 800 MHz FSB - RETAIL Specifications: CPU: 2.4GHz Type: Pentium 4 Northwood Cache: 512K BUS: 800 Mhz Socket: 478 Retail box (with Heatsink and Fan) 3-year MFG. Warranty- more info-> N82E16819116157 $173.00 $173.00 CORSAIR MEMORY XMS Extreme Memory Speed Series, (Twin Pack) 1GB(2 x 512MB) 2x(64MX64) TWINX1024-3200C2 With Black Heat Spreaders.Retail Specifications: Speed 400 MHz Organization 2 x 64M x 64 Memory type DDR Part number: TWINX1024-3200C2 more info-> N82E16820145449 $239.00 $239.00 Maxtor 120GB 7200RPM Hard Drive 8MB OEM 6Y120P0 Specifications: Size: 120 Gigabytes Interface: IDE ULTRA ATA133 Seek time: 9ms RPM:7200 Data Transfer: 133MB/sec Cache:8MB OEM(Drive alone) 3 Year Manufacturer Warranty: more info-> N82E16822144148 $112.50 $112.50 Subtotal » $1,053.48 As you can see the prices are almost identical. I did all the research for these during my spare time at work so there may be some serious flaws with them. Please let me know if you guys see any immediate problems with these or if you think I should remove/include any other components in them. Thanks in advance. Trevor |
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07-25-2003, 09:39 AM
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Being mainly an AMD builder, I'd say go with the AMD build.
 Here's one suggestion: go withe the athlon 2500+ instead. It gives you the most bang for your buck. Unless of course, you want the 2800 for "status" purposes.  On the Intel build, just so you know, Hypertheading is for multitasking. If you use it just to surf, do email and some gaming, performance will go down as the HT technology will not be utilized. Other than that, they look to be good, solid systems. It's mainly a matter of preference.
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07-25-2003, 09:49 AM
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Thanks for your input.
I will look at the 2500+. I have a couple questions though: Can you explain the basics of HT technology? and Do you think the PSU on the case will be good enough or should I swap that out for a higher quality one? Thanks Trevor |
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07-25-2003, 10:12 AM
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This gives a basic overview of HT: http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,107492,00.asp Scroll down to the bottom.
Yes, definately get a good PSU. A 400W antec, sparkle or enermax should do the job. |
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07-25-2003, 10:25 AM
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9mm wins.
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The 450 watt power supply included with the case should be way more than you probably will ever need. And I would probably go with the AMD ATHLON XP 2500+ "Barton" processor because like force_flow2002 said, it is a better deal.
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07-25-2003, 10:31 AM
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Your parts lists looks good so far but that's because you haven't listed that many parts yet. Just keep sticking with good name brand stuff with proven history and you'll be fine.
If those Chieftec cases come with Chieftec power supplies, go ahead and use it as they're good quality units. But if they come with that ISO brand power supply, I'd replace it with something else...like a Fortron Source or HEC.  Cricket
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07-25-2003, 10:34 AM
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After reading a few more reviews I think I am more heavily leaning towards AMD. However my question is this: Is the athalon XP 2600 2.08ghz a better proc? Because it is only $9 more than the 2500+ so if it is would it make more sense to buy that one? Im definately getting one of these two and not getting the 2800 however.
Thanks Trevor |
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07-25-2003, 10:42 AM
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Also is it worth it to get the A7N8X deluxe over the normal version? I ask this because I can get 30 dollars off my proc if I buy this mobo with the 2500+ and the normal version is already $30 cheaper so I could save $60.
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07-25-2003, 10:44 AM
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er make that $5 savings with the normal A7N8X but still its a total $35 savings.
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07-25-2003, 10:47 AM
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9mm wins.
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The Athlon XP 2600+ 2.08GHz processor is not a "Barton" core processor so it does not have 640KB of cache but only 384KB of cache so basically the 2500+ Barton core processor will probably perform faster and is much cheaper than the 2600+ Thoroughbred processor. Go with the 2500+ Barton core processor.
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07-25-2003, 10:55 AM
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9mm wins.
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In most cases I would say it is worth it to purchase the deluxe version because it has more features such as the firewire ports and RAID controllers. But in your case I would go with the normal version because you will save some money. Personally I would recommend going with a Soltek motherboard such as this one below. It is as good or even better than ASUS and you will get more features for a lower price.
Soltek Motherboard for AMD Processors, Chipset NVIDIA nForce2 (SPP + MCP) , Model SL-75FRN2-RL Retail $99.00 http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduc...%2D75FRN2%2DRL |
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07-25-2003, 11:17 AM
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The RAID controllers are only for the SATA controllers on the deluxe model.
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07-25-2003, 12:38 PM
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LOL, newb question here that ill go and research right but what are RAID controllers and SATA controllers and what do they do?
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07-25-2003, 01:11 PM
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RAID stands for Random Array of Inexpensive Disks. It is a linkage system of making two or more Hard disks act like one smooth, very fast disk instead of the choppy access of the traditional setup. RAID is a nice feature if you have multiple HDDs.
SATA is Serial ATA for the HDD and motherboard interface. It is a small adapter that plugs into the the HDD and the wire is small and thin, wich connects the mobo and the HDD. You'll have two (or more) connectors on the mobo. You must have a SATA compatible drive to take advantage of the nice speed and convenience. HTH
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07-25-2003, 01:52 PM
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thanks
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07-25-2003, 01:56 PM
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OK after some slight changes this is the AMD rig that I am thinking about building. Please give me feedback on any compatibility or other flaws you see in it.
CHIEFTEC Server Chasis (Aluminum Workstation Tower with Plastic Front Cover) SILVER COLOR w/ 450W Power Supply, Side acrylic window and a Case Fan on Side Window **Now with 2 x Front USB2.0 and 1 x Firewire IEEE1394 ports** Model AX-01BLD Retail Weights Only 18LBs! Specifications: Material:Aluminum Form Factor:ATX Side See Through Window w/ Fan Bays:4 x 5.25", 2 x 3.5", Internal: 4 x 3.5". Expansion Slots:7 Fans:2 rear Mounted Fan and 1 side panel Fan 450 W Power Supply more info-> N82E16811125225 $92.99 $92.99 Soltek Motherboard for AMD Processors, Chipset NVIDIA nForce2 (SPP + MCP) , Model SL-75FRN2-RL Retail Specifications: Supported Cpu: AMD Socket-462 Athlon XP / Athlon / Duron processor Chipset: NVIDIA nForce2 (SPP + MCP) 333/266/200MHz FSB FSB: 333/266 MHz RAM: 3 x 184-pin DDR DIMM, Supports 6 banks up to 3GB DRAMs for Unbuffered DDR SDRAM Module up to DDR 400 IDE: 2 x PCI Bus Master UATA 133/100/66 IDE ports (up to 4 ATAPI Devices) Serial ATA RAID: 2 Channel Promise PDC-20376 Slots: 1 x AGP 8X/4X Slot, 5 x 32-bit PCI Bus Master Slots Ports: 1 x Floppy, 2 x serial, 1 x Parallel, 2 x PS2, 2 x USB, 1 x Audio/Game no USB cable included more info-> N82E16813180039 $99.00 $99.00 ATI All-In-Wonder RADEON 9700 128MB DDR 8X AGP non-Pro RETAIL Specifications: Chipset: ATI RADEON 9700 (All in wonder) Memory: 128MB DDR Bus: AGP 8X Complete DirectX® 9.0 support Hand held remote to control your PC applications Stereo TV tuner with 125 channels 8-pixel pipeline architecture, providing twice the rendering power of any competing product currently on the market Easily edit video into your own creations: Video CD and DVD Authoring Ports:VGA + DVI + Svideo in/out (see pics for additonal ports) Retail box with software more info-> N82E16814102285 $299.00 $299.00 ►On Sale! AMD ATHLON XP 2500+ "Barton" 333 FSB PROCESSOR CPU- RETAIL Specifications: CPU: 1.83 GHz Type: XP 2500 Barton Core Cache: 512K L2, 128K L1, Total 640KB BUS: 333MHz Socket A Retail Box (Heatsink and Fan included) more info-> N82E16819103379 $90.00 $90.00 CORSAIR MEMORY XMS Extreme Memory Speed Series, (Twin Pack) 1GB(2 x 512MB) 2x(64MX64) TWINX1024-3200C2 With Black Heat Spreaders.Retail Specifications: Speed 400 MHz Organization 2 x 64M x 64 Memory type DDR Part number: TWINX1024-3200C2 more info-> N82E16820145449 $239.00 $239.00 ►On Sale! WD WESTERN DIGITAL "SPECIAL EDITION" 120GB 7200RPM EIDE HARD DRIVE MODEL # WD1200JB - OEM, DRIVE ONLY Specifications: Size: 120 Gigabytes Interface: IDE ULTRA ATA100 Seek time: 8.9ms RPM:7200 Cache 8MB OEM(Drive alone) 3 Year Manufacturer Warranty more info-> N82E16822144118 $104.00 $104.00 Subtotal » $923.99 Thanks |
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07-25-2003, 06:11 PM
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I am sooo jealous over that memory!
That is the BEST memory I hear. Does that Soltek support dual channel? If not, I would try a different board....
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07-25-2003, 06:40 PM
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Take the Deluxe over the regular A7N8X, it's got some nicer features you'll appreciate down the road. The 6-channel onboard digital sound is very, very, good too.
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