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Alfie · 10-08-2003, 11:20 AM

If that's the case,why is it that I could go to Newegg right now and buy an FX?

I will repeat,AMD has produced another fine cpu and is leading the pack for now.
The cpus are costly,but this will change.
As far as cute phrases,Intel has them as well,what's hyper threading,let's recall MMX,etc.That's marketing!
The FX thing has been overused,but still gets the point accross.
The speed of cpus today are over kill for most users,so much is dependant on the other factors in a system,one should examine the other bottlenecks in the system,AMD has limited one of the biggest, cpu and memory communication.
It's these things that should be focused on rather on the speed of the cpu.
Newer concepts and designs are coming forward daily,Sun has come up with promising technology designs that could lead the future,it remains to be seen...

HAL9000 · 10-08-2003, 11:30 AM

LOL... yet not a single person... and yes. I remember you to Alfie

.. would believe when I could get a 1.0Ghz from Supercom during their "paper launch".... we'll just see how the quantity holds up when AMD themselves are outright saying don't expect huge supplies of them.

Then you have said yourself... the CPU's are costly... yet Intel gets bashed for releasing their high end CPU's at a high end price.... so somebody explain to me now... why doesn't AMD release their new processor for $100.... Why isn't AMD being bashed for the high price....it's no different to make it than any other CPU... KEEP IN MIND, you CANT use the same reasons that Intel users gave for higher priced CPU's cuz you doom yourself to be a hypocrit

Bet Newegg has a HUGE supply too... I just checked my three major suppliers... Supercom, Techdata, and Ingram Micro

XP3200+ No stock in any of them
XP3200+ 64 bit 1 available at Tech Data
XP3200+ FX51 64bit 1 available at Ingram Micro

Mac Medic · 10-08-2003, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Alfie

The AMD 64 is backward compatible with 32bit,it's the only cpu made that is.
With it's unique memory controller built into the cpu it does offer blistering speed in all 32bit applications and promises even more as 64 bit comes available.

Sorry, I will have to mention the G5 here. I can take the speed bashing and the price comments but not the claim to innovation. The G5 is 64bit and is backwards compatible with 32bit (not in emulation mode either before you ask) and the AMD memory controller is not unique, it's actually a bit of a rip of the G5 that was developed first by IBM. Plus the FSB on a G5 runs at 1/2 the processor speed (so 1ghz FSB on a 2ghz G5) for each processor, so memory bandthwith increases with each processor, like the AMD, although the AMD can't touch the throughput of the G5.

Ok I'm done, now bring on the speed and price comments.

jimmyrules712 · 10-08-2003, 10:15 PM

what i find funny is the P3's cost more then the athlons 2500 and lower

lil Jimmie · 10-08-2003, 10:24 PM

There is not a demand for PIII's so the price is higher same thing with PC100 or PC133 not a demanding market so the price is higher than PC2100 or PC2700

imbest123 · 10-08-2003, 10:27 PM

Ok whoever made this thread should tally up the Athlon vs P4's to see which they are getting.

jimmyrules712 · 10-08-2003, 11:54 PM

so tell me why the price for the 300 mhz cpu'S on pricewatch is like $20. i doubt theres a big demand on those either...

lil Jimmie · 10-09-2003, 12:22 AM

No, the 300Mhz cpu's are in far less demand than the PIII's but as replacement or upgrades the PIII's are still in demand. Another reason the AMD XP chips are cheaper is the fact that AMD under cut the prices of the P4's in order to increase it's market share which is owned by Intel and in doing so AMD has lost it's arse. I still don't think AMD will follow this strategy with the 64 line of processors. Intel doesn't have to cut prices to compete in the market.

Alfie · 10-09-2003, 01:08 AM

The G5 is a very fine cpu and system,but it appears most users are into Intel or AMD,as they can build either system themselves.
If a company releases a high end cpu then they can charge whatever price the public is willing to pay.
As I said the main focus should be on eliminating the bottlenecks in a system as opposed to which cpu to purchase.

mystvearn · 10-09-2003, 01:50 AM

Intel p4 3.2ghz EE

ComPman · 10-09-2003, 10:52 AM

AMD all the way

***glc*** · 10-09-2003, 11:05 AM

mystvearn and compman: Care to elaborate a bit - like justification for your statements? It's pointless to let threads like this continue when all we get are "me too" type comments with no explanation whatsoever for your opinions.

jimmyrules712 · 10-09-2003, 03:36 PM

intel doesnt have to cut prices because Intel is all normal people know. Amd is just trying to get its name out.

# R1 · 10-09-2003, 04:34 PM

i decided to go with AMD as i have always thought it was better.

Cricket · 10-09-2003, 04:38 PM

Here's something I posted in another thread...it relates to the AMD or INTEL question:

"An AMD CPU is comparable to an INTEL CPU in terms of quality and function. The AMD CPU is well designed, well made and performs the tasks it was designed to do very effectively.

When building a computer you don't only look at the CPU you're going to use, you have to consider the whole package...motherboard, power supply, video card, hard drive, RAM, etc... All these parts should be chosen carefully so that you know you're getting quality parts that will work together well. This is what makes a great computer...not just picking a CPU because you "heard" it's better that the other CPU. In reality, the CPU is just one small part of the computer. All the other parts should be added to the equation with equal importance if you want to end up with a computer that will perform as it should and make you happy.

Does it make sense to spend a lot of time trying to decide which CPU to use and then just slap together the rest of the system without much thought? No, of course not.

It doesn't matter which CPU you choose as long as everything else is carefully chosen...you'll end up with a great computer using either CPU as long as you look at the whole package."

Cricket

shifty · 10-09-2003, 05:45 PM

Intel,AMD and redheads

jimmyrules712 · 10-09-2003, 06:04 PM

ditto to what cricket said. cpu doesnt matter THAt much. with either itll probably be fast enuf that the comp will instantly do whatever u tell it to, i k now my athlon xp 2100 does, so i dont need anything faster, and it makes debating between 2 brands irrelevant. long as ur other parts are nice (ie good ram, good mobo, good HD)

Karnevil9 · 10-09-2003, 11:16 PM

I concur with Cricket also. A chain is only as good as it's weakest link, so too a CPU alone does will not make a good computer. Interestingly, when the Amd vs Intel question was posed again, the same arguments came out of the woodwork. Though most of those arguments seem to be freindly bantering. What I found funny was no one asked R1 what he intended to use his system for, how much money was he looking to spend etc. The same simple question brought two pages of replies as it developed a life of it's own. I think the answer to GLC questions of "why are we doing this again", must be that on some level, we want to.

jimmyrules712 · 10-09-2003, 11:25 PM

R1, whats this system for? and do you know what video card and ram you plan on useing?

i feel for some reason these questions are important ;-)

Quote:

Originally posted by Karnevil9
I concur with Cricket also. A chain is only as good as it's weakest link, so too a CPU alone does will not make a good computer. Interestingly, when the Amd vs Intel question was posed again, the same arguments came out of the woodwork. Though most of those arguments seem to be freindly bantering. What I found funny was no one asked R1 what he intended to use his system for, how much money was he looking to spend etc. The same simple question brought two pages of replies as it developed a life of it's own. I think the answer to GLC questions of "why are we doing this again", must be that on some level, we want to.

yeah well the forums get a bit boring if there isnt an amd V Intel debate every now and then. We should like schedual one monthly or somethin

Lost Prophet · 10-10-2003, 01:21 PM

AMD/Intel.....there's just too many factors to determine which one is really better. I've personally gone with AMD on all three computer builds I've had since back in 96....my first comp had an AMD 5x86. The only reason I've went AMD, however, is because they were cheaper but I've never really seen it as a performance issue. Some say AMD is better for gaming but I have yet to see that proven with my own eyes. I could be wrong, though. I'd have to agree that you don't want to base your entire build around your processor, but you also want to make sure the processor is fast enough to compliment the rest of the hardware. Example: I've seen a GeForce FX 5600 256Mb video card running in an Athlon 900 machine. The 900 Mhz processor kinda limits what that video card is capable of. Like was stated before, it's like comparing a Big Mac vs a Whopper, it's all a matter of personal taste.

enhanced08 · 10-10-2003, 09:51 PM

AMD/Intel its all the same. all depends on your view of the world. some are ford guys, some chevy guys. some like red, some like blue. it doesn't matter one way or the other, they all do the same basic job. with out one the other would not exist.

HAL9000 · 10-11-2003, 01:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by enhanced08dotcom
AMD/Intel its all the same. all depends on your view of the world. some are ford guys, some chevy guys. some like red, some like blue.

No way dude.. not the same.... I like Pontiac and purple

jimmyrules712 · 10-11-2003, 03:49 PM

you forgot the cyrix and toyotas

***glc*** · 10-12-2003, 01:46 PM

The only real reason any more that I still prefer Intel (now that AMD has pretty much solved the heat issues) is the motherboard chipsets. I still don't like Via or SiS - and I'm not completely thrilled with NForce. Intel chipsets still rule as far as I'm concerned and AMD hasn't released a chipset of their own in a long time.

bailey · 10-12-2003, 02:21 PM

I must agree with what glc says about the chip sets,

I have always looked at the chipset too, and tried to determe which ones most people have problems with and which has been proven over time to be the most solid, stable one.

intell has always been my first choice, also it seamed to end up being the factor that based my choice of motherboard also, the choice of the cpu was usally the last choice, and the en product always ended up with a system that had no problems, and has lasted for many years, and still working

***glc*** · 10-12-2003, 02:49 PM

My personal system has not had a non-Intel chipset since it was a 486, which had an AMD DX4/100 on an Opti chipset board.

Karnevil9 · 10-12-2003, 09:44 PM

If there is one thing that Amd certianly gives us, is choice. Yes there are other CPU makers out there, but they don't offer any real competition to intel. Amd is hardly competition in real numbers, but they are second place. Without them our choice in computer systems would be limited to Wintel or Mac.

jimmyrules712 · 10-12-2003, 11:24 PM

i tink asus boards wit hamd works great

Hi Ho · 10-12-2003, 11:58 PM

All the Asus boards I have worked with use Via chipsets and I have had no problem with them.

Aaaron · 10-13-2003, 01:01 AM

Until two months ago ago my sister had a

AMD 486

SOYO 486VESA Motherboard

8MB Ram (i can even imagine what speed)

Tseng Labs ET4000-W32P VGA

Vision VL IDE Card

7345A 345 MB Maxtor Harddrive (also can't imagine the speed

One othose big floppy drives

3&1/2 Floppy Drive

4x Creative CD Drive

Creative Sound Blaster 16 Sound Card

1x Serial and 1x Parralel Card

MPC Sound Pro SP-38 Speakers

Creative Computer Microphone

Microsoft Windows 3.1

Microsoft MS-DOS 6.22 Plus Enhanced Tools

Microsoft Publisher

Running at an amazing 20mhz or 40mhz turbo
and she had no idea how old it was
it was amazing it actually turned on

i got her a 2.4ghz thats over 120 times faster (clock speed)

she was impressed

maybe i should of sold it to a musueum instead of throwing it out

then again maybe they dont accept things that old

10-08-2003, 11:30 AM	#32
HAL9000 "Normal" again....?? Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada Posts: 17,600	LOL... yet not a single person... and yes. I remember you to Alfie .. would believe when I could get a 1.0Ghz from Supercom during their "paper launch".... we'll just see how the quantity holds up when AMD themselves are outright saying don't expect huge supplies of them. Then you have said yourself... the CPU's are costly... yet Intel gets bashed for releasing their high end CPU's at a high end price.... so somebody explain to me now... why doesn't AMD release their new processor for $100.... Why isn't AMD being bashed for the high price....it's no different to make it than any other CPU... KEEP IN MIND, you CANT use the same reasons that Intel users gave for higher priced CPU's cuz you doom yourself to be a hypocrit Bet Newegg has a HUGE supply too... I just checked my three major suppliers... Supercom, Techdata, and Ingram Micro XP3200+ No stock in any of them XP3200+ 64 bit 1 available at Tech Data XP3200+ FX51 64bit 1 available at Ingram Micro __________________ -At Ford, quality is job #1, job #2 is making them explode. ~Norm MacDonald, SNL News -Switching to Glide..Balancing in my head..inside of me... taking the glide path instead. Last edited by HAL9000; 10-08-2003 at 11:46 AM.

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10-08-2003, 11:20 AM	#31
Alfie Member (13 bit) Join Date: Sep 1999 Posts: 4,956	If that's the case,why is it that I could go to Newegg right now and buy an FX? I will repeat,AMD has produced another fine cpu and is leading the pack for now. The cpus are costly,but this will change. As far as cute phrases,Intel has them as well,what's hyper threading,let's recall MMX,etc.That's marketing! The FX thing has been overused,but still gets the point accross. The speed of cpus today are over kill for most users,so much is dependant on the other factors in a system,one should examine the other bottlenecks in the system,AMD has limited one of the biggest, cpu and memory communication. It's these things that should be focused on rather on the speed of the cpu. Newer concepts and designs are coming forward daily,Sun has come up with promising technology designs that could lead the future,it remains to be seen...

10-08-2003, 10:15 PM	#34
jimmyrules712 Member (11 bit) Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,060	what i find funny is the P3's cost more then the athlons 2500 and lower

10-08-2003, 10:27 PM	#36
imbest123 iTroll Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: 818 Posts: 2,252	Ok whoever made this thread should tally up the Athlon vs P4's to see which they are getting.

10-08-2003, 11:54 PM	#37
jimmyrules712 Member (11 bit) Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,060	so tell me why the price for the 300 mhz cpu'S on pricewatch is like $20. i doubt theres a big demand on those either...

10-09-2003, 12:22 AM	#38
lil Jimmie HOT ROD Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: On the Edge Posts: 4,565	No, the 300Mhz cpu's are in far less demand than the PIII's but as replacement or upgrades the PIII's are still in demand. Another reason the AMD XP chips are cheaper is the fact that AMD under cut the prices of the P4's in order to increase it's market share which is owned by Intel and in doing so AMD has lost it's arse. I still don't think AMD will follow this strategy with the 64 line of processors. Intel doesn't have to cut prices to compete in the market.

10-09-2003, 01:08 AM	#39
Alfie Member (13 bit) Join Date: Sep 1999 Posts: 4,956	The G5 is a very fine cpu and system,but it appears most users are into Intel or AMD,as they can build either system themselves. If a company releases a high end cpu then they can charge whatever price the public is willing to pay. As I said the main focus should be on eliminating the bottlenecks in a system as opposed to which cpu to purchase.

10-09-2003, 01:50 AM	#40
mystvearn Anime:Any-may Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Kota Bharu, Malaysia Posts: 2,447	Intel p4 3.2ghz EE

10-09-2003, 10:52 AM	#41
ComPman Member (8 bit) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 215	AMD all the way

10-09-2003, 11:05 AM	#42
*glc* Forum Administrator Staff Premium Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Joplin MO Posts: 41,159	mystvearn and compman: Care to elaborate a bit - like justification for your statements? It's pointless to let threads like this continue when all we get are "me too" type comments with no explanation whatsoever for your opinions.

10-09-2003, 03:36 PM	#43
jimmyrules712 Member (11 bit) Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,060	intel doesnt have to cut prices because Intel is all normal people know. Amd is just trying to get its name out.

10-09-2003, 04:34 PM	#44
# R1 Member (4 bit) Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 8	i decided to go with AMD as i have always thought it was better.

10-09-2003, 04:38 PM	#45
Cricket Shiro Usagi Premium Member Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Kaneohe, Hawaii Posts: 34,002	Here's something I posted in another thread...it relates to the AMD or INTEL question: "An AMD CPU is comparable to an INTEL CPU in terms of quality and function. The AMD CPU is well designed, well made and performs the tasks it was designed to do very effectively. When building a computer you don't only look at the CPU you're going to use, you have to consider the whole package...motherboard, power supply, video card, hard drive, RAM, etc... All these parts should be chosen carefully so that you know you're getting quality parts that will work together well. This is what makes a great computer...not just picking a CPU because you "heard" it's better that the other CPU. In reality, the CPU is just one small part of the computer. All the other parts should be added to the equation with equal importance if you want to end up with a computer that will perform as it should and make you happy. Does it make sense to spend a lot of time trying to decide which CPU to use and then just slap together the rest of the system without much thought? No, of course not. It doesn't matter which CPU you choose as long as everything else is carefully chosen...you'll end up with a great computer using either CPU as long as you look at the whole package." Cricket

10-09-2003, 05:45 PM	#46
shifty Member (10 bit) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Ct. Posts: 741	Intel,AMD and redheads

10-09-2003, 06:04 PM	#47
jimmyrules712 Member (11 bit) Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,060	ditto to what cricket said. cpu doesnt matter THAt much. with either itll probably be fast enuf that the comp will instantly do whatever u tell it to, i k now my athlon xp 2100 does, so i dont need anything faster, and it makes debating between 2 brands irrelevant. long as ur other parts are nice (ie good ram, good mobo, good HD)

10-09-2003, 11:16 PM	#48
Karnevil9 Member (10 bit) Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 985	I concur with Cricket also. A chain is only as good as it's weakest link, so too a CPU alone does will not make a good computer. Interestingly, when the Amd vs Intel question was posed again, the same arguments came out of the woodwork. Though most of those arguments seem to be freindly bantering. What I found funny was no one asked R1 what he intended to use his system for, how much money was he looking to spend etc. The same simple question brought two pages of replies as it developed a life of it's own. I think the answer to GLC questions of "why are we doing this again", must be that on some level, we want to.

10-10-2003, 01:21 PM	#50
Lost Prophet Member (6 bit) Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 44	AMD/Intel.....there's just too many factors to determine which one is really better. I've personally gone with AMD on all three computer builds I've had since back in 96....my first comp had an AMD 5x86. The only reason I've went AMD, however, is because they were cheaper but I've never really seen it as a performance issue. Some say AMD is better for gaming but I have yet to see that proven with my own eyes. I could be wrong, though. I'd have to agree that you don't want to base your entire build around your processor, but you also want to make sure the processor is fast enough to compliment the rest of the hardware. Example: I've seen a GeForce FX 5600 256Mb video card running in an Athlon 900 machine. The 900 Mhz processor kinda limits what that video card is capable of. Like was stated before, it's like comparing a Big Mac vs a Whopper, it's all a matter of personal taste.

10-10-2003, 09:51 PM	#51
enhanced08 Foldin' For PCMech! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: back home in McHenry MD Posts: 1,660	AMD/Intel its all the same. all depends on your view of the world. some are ford guys, some chevy guys. some like red, some like blue. it doesn't matter one way or the other, they all do the same basic job. with out one the other would not exist.

10-11-2003, 03:49 PM	#53
jimmyrules712 Member (11 bit) Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,060	you forgot the cyrix and toyotas

10-12-2003, 01:46 PM	#54
*glc* Forum Administrator Staff Premium Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Joplin MO Posts: 41,159	The only real reason any more that I still prefer Intel (now that AMD has pretty much solved the heat issues) is the motherboard chipsets. I still don't like Via or SiS - and I'm not completely thrilled with NForce. Intel chipsets still rule as far as I'm concerned and AMD hasn't released a chipset of their own in a long time.

10-12-2003, 02:21 PM	#55
bailey Member (14 bit) Join Date: Mar 1999 Location: Christmas, Florida Posts: 10,671	I must agree with what glc says about the chip sets, I have always looked at the chipset too, and tried to determe which ones most people have problems with and which has been proven over time to be the most solid, stable one. intell has always been my first choice, also it seamed to end up being the factor that based my choice of motherboard also, the choice of the cpu was usally the last choice, and the en product always ended up with a system that had no problems, and has lasted for many years, and still working

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10-12-2003, 02:49 PM	#56
*glc* Forum Administrator Staff Premium Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Joplin MO Posts: 41,159	My personal system has not had a non-Intel chipset since it was a 486, which had an AMD DX4/100 on an Opti chipset board.

10-12-2003, 09:44 PM	#57
Karnevil9 Member (10 bit) Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 985	If there is one thing that Amd certianly gives us, is choice. Yes there are other CPU makers out there, but they don't offer any real competition to intel. Amd is hardly competition in real numbers, but they are second place. Without them our choice in computer systems would be limited to Wintel or Mac.

10-12-2003, 11:24 PM	#58
jimmyrules712 Member (11 bit) Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,060	i tink asus boards wit hamd works great

10-12-2003, 11:58 PM	#59
Hi Ho Certified Audio Nut Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 7,245	All the Asus boards I have worked with use Via chipsets and I have had no problem with them.

10-13-2003, 01:01 AM	#60
Aaaron Member (8 bit) Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Land Down Under Posts: 141	Until two months ago ago my sister had a AMD 486 SOYO 486VESA Motherboard 8MB Ram (i can even imagine what speed) Tseng Labs ET4000-W32P VGA Vision VL IDE Card 7345A 345 MB Maxtor Harddrive (also can't imagine the speed One othose big floppy drives 3&1/2 Floppy Drive 4x Creative CD Drive Creative Sound Blaster 16 Sound Card 1x Serial and 1x Parralel Card MPC Sound Pro SP-38 Speakers Creative Computer Microphone Microsoft Windows 3.1 Microsoft MS-DOS 6.22 Plus Enhanced Tools Microsoft Publisher Running at an amazing 20mhz or 40mhz turbo and she had no idea how old it was it was amazing it actually turned on i got her a 2.4ghz thats over 120 times faster (clock speed) she was impressed maybe i should of sold it to a musueum instead of throwing it out then again maybe they dont accept things that old