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11-02-2003, 11:29 AM
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Well, I am only concerned with the "bigger priced" parts that are "oem". Like the hard drive, and stuff. The modem oem is no problem. So, getting a OEM part is ok, say it breaks or something, and I don't know what to do, instead of sending it back (cuz I can't), I would just ask people on here how to solve my problem?
Also, I am liking the AMD system, it is all good parts, and it STILL turns out cheaper than the Intel...is that right? |
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11-02-2003, 11:41 AM
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OEM parts come with a manufacturer warranty for 30 to 90 days, which is typically long enough to determine if there is something faulty with it. If you buy well-known quality parts, hardware failure after that time is unlikely.
I recommend OEM HDDs , because you need no documentation to install them and the price benefit is worth the reduced warranty in my opinion. Hardware failure is probably the only thing these forums can't guarantee assistance, but like I said, with quality parts you shouldn't have to worry. |
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11-02-2003, 11:42 AM
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So I am going to need to buy extra cables, and stuff for OEM parts? Or do the parts that I have listed on those systems come with all the stuff needed, even though they are OEM?
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11-02-2003, 11:49 AM
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The motherboard will come with the IDE cables and possibly the floppy cable. You may get an audio cable with one of the optical drives, but it's not necessary anymore since WinXP allows you to send digital audio signals through the IDE cables.
The case will come with all the screws, stand offs and other little pieces you need to assemble the computer.  Cricket
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11-02-2003, 11:51 AM
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OEM parts do not include cabling in most instances, my drive came bubblewrapped in a box. However, my retail motherboard came with two IDE cables, a floppy cable, and a SATA cable, so I would assume the same for yours. I believe the case has fans pre-installed.
Things to consider though: Do you have a network or broadband, or think you will in the future? You might need Cat5 cabling. Peripherals?
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11-02-2003, 12:03 PM
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Im a intel person me self but amd is cheaper and at the end of the day its normelly the same ad intels competing p4's unless u get into ee and fx which u dont need to worrie about so amd should be a good setup
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11-02-2003, 12:38 PM
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$42.45 MGC 6082CA 350W MID TOWER W/ WINDOW/ 2USB/ 2FAN/ BLACK & SILVER
$87.25 MSI K7N2 Delta-L NFORCE2 SKT-A 3DDR/ 6CH/ 8XAGP/ LAN/ U2.0/ ATX $107.75 AMD ATHLON XP 2500 (1.83GHZ) R-BOX BARTON CORE 333FSB 512K C $100.40 KINGSTON DDR333 512MB (PC2700/ 333MHz) NON-ECC $60.25 LITEON LTC-4816H 48X24X48X16 CDRW, w/ CBL/ BULK, BLACK $89.10 Western Digital WD800JB 80GB 7200RPM ATA100 8MB $194.30 MSI GF FX5600-VTD256 256MBDDR 8XAGP VIVO/ TVOUT/ DVI RETAIL $152.00 Creative Inspire T7700 7.1 Channel Speaker System $833.50 before shipping all these parts are from computecarizona.com AMD has proven by far to be the best gaming processor many times read your reviews in pc world or pc mag it is fact not fiction Werefolfdaddys system is nice but no speakers to listen too |
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11-02-2003, 01:29 PM
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Alright I got a moniter with cable, I got a joystick, I got a mouse and keyboard.
I have a network, and I DO have broadband cable internet. |
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11-02-2003, 03:40 PM
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So I should be set? Or is there any extras I need that I am missing?
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11-02-2003, 04:11 PM
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i would say your set go and set it up
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11-02-2003, 04:40 PM
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Yep yer a go
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11-02-2003, 08:07 PM
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lol....damn, I keep reading other threads, and what people say, I just cannot make up my mind. Sometime it will be AMD is better, next it will be Intel..., plus I see a lot of different things that people are picking for their specs (for gaming). My budget is strickly 800-900 dollers, so I guess I should ask...."What is the BEST POSSIBLE SPECS (PC) I can get for that much"...(including shipping and all...I live in Michigan by the way....
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11-02-2003, 08:26 PM
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since uv been a good pcmech fellow heres some inetl specs amd i cant help u with(intels better for gaming 800fsb up to 3.2ghz cant beat that)
Ok here yea go Cpu= 2.6ghz c 800fsb 478 socket 175$$ Newegg.com Mobo= D875PBZ= 150$$ Newegg.com free shipping Sound card= 7.1 digafire=75$$ Go threw oc mech's list of vendors Cd-wr= Lg 52x32x52x at a local future shop around 50$$ as for the video card a 9600 raiden pro would do just fine-175 dollers us Get 120gb Maxtor serial ata 8mb cache= 100$ Newegg.com Any enlight 50 doller case would do and the power supply should be at least 300wats(MAKE SURE IT IS A QUALity brand) i would take a 300w good quality over a 450-550 crappy quality anyday. price 60-150 Ok these specs come out to 875$$ ironic the same as the mobo lol(almost like its the chipset lol) ok with shipping tack on 30 dollers and bam i spend your hole budget totalling at 910$$ hoep u have fun with the intel machine this is without accesories like modem and keyboard and such but still good if u really need those extra things u will need to go with amd so your budget can allow you to purchuse them but i say intel all the way |
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11-02-2003, 08:30 PM
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Alright...that Intel looks very familiar to the one I posted on like the 3rd page towards the end..
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11-02-2003, 08:32 PM
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cool
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11-02-2003, 08:36 PM
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Re: Personall
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11-02-2003, 09:56 PM
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intel is not better for gaming read the reviews.
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11-02-2003, 10:22 PM
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article 1 http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,112601,00.asp
article 2 http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/computers/pr...review/235672/ Funny if you read the reviews they are conflicting some say intel some say amd. However i can say thet amd always has more operations per clock cycle, and allways beats an intel running at its speed. AMD names their processors after intel standards because the xp 2500+ beats the pants off a 2.5 gig intel although it runs at 1.83 gighz with a front side bus of 333. A 2.5gighz intell has a 533 mhz front side bus the numbers i think speak for themselves. I have built and optimized pro gaming systems running the best equipment for years for pc connoisseurs and by far amds running slower gigs allways match up to and beat intels for a lower price. We base this on two standards a 3d winstone test for gaming and rendering and a business winstone for running large applications such as autocad and photoshop. But for sure a pc is the decision of the builder and he/she will get the pleasure of the finished product, technology has advanced so far that a good system can be built by either INTEL OR AMD. |
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11-02-2003, 10:49 PM
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Hmm...cool. I will check those articles tomorrow. Btw, nice specs Compu....how much all that cost ya?
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11-03-2003, 08:47 AM
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Ok, few more questions.... I read those reviews..and the last one says that "AMD is not good with games, but is cheap, and fast.."? Is that true? Also, it didn't sound like the person who wrote that review knew what they were talking about....
So AMD < Intel, or AMD > Intel for gaming? Is the 2500+ Barton with the Deluxe A7N8X mobo better than the 2800+ Barton with that same mobo? For OC'ing too.... Sorry for all the questions and concerns guys. I just REALLY want to know what I want to get, and if it is good, and if the parts will last me sometime (meaning not go totally out of date). I also want to get "the-best-for-my-money". |
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11-03-2003, 10:02 AM
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I guess that reviews are reviews they are usually broken down to someones personal opinion. It seems to me that to actuelly get one of these magazines or large companys to draw a firm conclusion seems to be impossible. I cant ever remember a review that just said the winner is AMD or Intel its allways vague. However I can point to some other facts that i think I am correct on. Alienware in the beginning was allways about AMD. The first real gaming system notebook was built around AMD, Alienware, Vodoopc and Falcon Northwest all tend to lean towards AMD. I am an AMD Man for many reasons Intels name is larger because they pay companys like Gateway HP And Dell Millions of dollars in kickbacks a year to use their processors. AMD does not. They offer their low pricing to anyone who wishes to use their products. Intel never has offered, Us the public, pricing as good as they offer it to the big guys. Another point is have you heard of Intel Centrino Technology? To anyone who is not tech savvy, this sounds like the wave of the future. It is not it is merely nothing more than (in my opinion) deceptive marketing to get the public to believe the afore mentioned is!The wave of the future. Truth is they stuff an Intel wireless card in the computer and call it Centrino. There are many wireless cards out there less expensive and faster than this so called centrino. So Jaybee you are doing the right thing as far as checking the facts before you make your decision. Check out some of the reviews at Overclockers.com the two best processors in the world for overclocking have been amd the 1600+ and the 2500+ Barton Core. The system that I am running is about 2700 dollars as a tower alone but im allso running twin Viewsonic optiquest 17 inch wallmounted LCD Monitors at about 850.00. Because of the nature of our clients we have to stay ahead of the game you know. All of our gaming systems are fully tweaked and optimized. And the same settings dont allways work for the same hardware im sure you understand so this system is basically my test unit at the time. We will be releasing these systems to our computer configurators on the web shortly computecarizona.com
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11-03-2003, 10:08 AM
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Oh Yeah the 2500+ is better than the 2800+ for overclocking
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11-03-2003, 10:24 AM
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Many Boards Supportr this 1600 bus allready here are a few
ASUS K8V DELUXE KT800 K8 800MHz 3DDR400/ 8X/ LAN/ SATA/ WIFI/ ATX $158.95 GIGABYTE VIA-K8T800 SKT754/ RAID/ DDR400 DPS/ FSB800/ AC97/ USB2 $193.60 MSI K8T-NEO-FIS2R KT800 K8 800MHz DDR400/ 8X/ GB-L/ SATA-R/ 1394 $157.80 GIGABYTE nForce3150 SKT754/ ATX/ RAID/ LAN/ 1394/ AC97/ DDR400/ USB $141.60 MSI K8T-MASTER2-FAR KT800 K8 DUAL-940 4DDR/ GB-LAN/ SATA/ ATX $235.30 |
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11-03-2003, 11:05 AM
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So the AMD 2500+ is gonna be my best bet as far as AMD goes?
Also, is that system specs (the one I have on like the 3rd page) for an AMD good? Only, instead of the 2800+, the 2500+. Is the 2500+ fast than the 2800+? Inclucding OC'ing? Sense I would be cuttin off some bucks going back to the 2500+ from the 2800+, I could add on some money elsewhere. What would be a good thing to improve? I like the 2500+, and the A7N8X(?) Deluxe combination. I also want a good vid card ATi 9600 ULTIMATE 128mb...or a 9800 (if can be found somewhere for cheap). Last edited by JayBee; 11-03-2003 at 11:13 AM. |
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11-03-2003, 11:26 AM
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Are you talcking about the system listed by cricket
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11-03-2003, 11:29 AM
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Yep, thats the one. Only, I would want PC-3200 ram. ....and 2500+ < 2800+, or 2500+ > 2800+?
Then anything else I should add on...or make better..or change brands? Last edited by JayBee; 11-03-2003 at 11:45 AM. |
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11-03-2003, 12:22 PM
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I would definitly go 2500+ the price difference for a couple of megaherz is relly not going to change your speed to noticably.
Im Interested in knowing what drives you towards you to the ATI cards over the Nvidia Cards |
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11-03-2003, 02:07 PM
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Just overall talk I have heard about the ATi over the nivida. ALL I hear is ATi over Nivida....never heard Nivida over ATi.
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11-03-2003, 02:14 PM
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I see
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11-03-2003, 02:20 PM
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I will post some more specs real soon.
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