800 MHz Intel or other ?? Which Mobo/CPU Combo is best ?

[Newbee]

Looking for Mobo / CPU combo

If I'm going to build then I'm going to build bigtime ! 800 MHz CPU and a god mobo.
Questions :
1. 800 MHz "EB" or other ? Wich is the best ?
2. What mobo is best with this CPU ?
3. Chipset ?
4. Bus Speed ?

Give me your opinion on the ultimate machine !

[Floppyman]

You want the Ultimate machine? Go with a 1GHZ athlon.....sorry just a little biased towards AMD as most of these folks here know.

[HAL9000]

Just to stir the pot a little, get a 933 PIII. I've read 3 reviews now that put it above the gigahertz AMD Kidding aside, get what you're comfortable with. In the 800 PIII, you should get a 133Mhz bus, faster is better. The only downside is the availability of a good chipset board (I've just never been a fan of VIA). So if you want to avoid VIA, your only choices are the 820 chipset with RDRAM which is VERY expensive and probably going to step aside to DDR. Next choice would be to step down to a 100Mhz bus and a good BX board.

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If it ain't broke, you're not pushing hard enough!

[Floppyman]

Not to start a Intel vs. Amd thing again....I believe the use of rdram, 133mhz bus, and 256k full speed cache would give the PIII an advantage somewhat....just wait till Amd's new 760 and 770 chipsets at the end of the year...200mhz plus bus speeds... You're right though.., for top performence right now, the PIII might have a slight edge, notice I said "slight"

[HAL9000]

Actually, most tests that I have read (wanna try some myself too) show a BX chipset overclocked to 133Mhz with an EB processor outperforming 820 and RDRAM. I haven't tried a 133Mhz bus processor on the BX yet, but will try eventually it to see what it is like.

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If it ain't broke, you're not pushing hard enough!

[Charliey]

The new Asus CUBX is a BX motherboard that is designed for a Coppermine cpu. It has an extra ATA66 controller along with the ATA33 one built into the BX chipset.

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-Charlie

[Toaster]

Oh gawd..another AMD vs. Intel discussion!!
Well, I aquired me a PIII-700e and set that puppy on a P2B-F with a bus speed of 150mhz.
End result? 966mhz, FULL speed L2 cache and faster then a scalded dog for water.
The chip is stable even at this bus rate which surprized me even on this board which is simply a "BX" board. AMD? naaaa...I can use any video or other device without "compatability" issues of ANY sort.
Now, the CeleronII`s are out and going to a GIG+ for under 200.00 and still at full speed L2 cache.
CeleronII 733`s are due by the fall and the 1GHZ barrier will be a fond memory just like 640KB of memory was. Get the "E" based Intel CPU...not the "EB" based CPU..."THEN" set FSB to 133 or better.....WHOOSH!

[This message has been edited by Toaster (edited 05-30-2000).]

[Mattman]

AMD Athlons can just as easily be overclocked by changing the multiplier of the processor (with a GFD), rather than just moving up the bus speed. Changing the multiplier will only change the processor speed and not the bus speed, so no extra stress is put on the motherboard. With a small touch of luck, Athlon 550s can easily be put up to 850mhz or more.

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[Floppyman]

Just read it again today in the lastest issue of maximum pc...they had a PIII 1ghz review vs. Athlon 1ghz, the L2 cache seems to be the PIII's advantage....the athlons L2 runs at a mere 333mhz...while the piii's runs at full speed.....as for celerons...just wait for spitfire..if this chip is as good as it looks, later celeron. As for the power batter between Intel and Amd...my hopes are on the new Amd 760 and 770 chipsets(the 770 supporting dual processors), 200+ bus speeds coming out soon...I think at the end of this year..plus the "Thunderbird", and no I'm not talking about a Ford here.

[This message has been edited by Floppyman (edited 05-30-2000).]

[Alfie]

Benchmarks speak louder than words:
http://www.kbench.com/english/index/...09&ARTI_PAGE=4

[Alfie]

Here's another showing the Duron's potential.considering this to be a low end cpu,it's quite impressive
http://www.jc-news.com/parse.cgi?pc/...erelease/Tests

[Toaster]

I cant agree that bechmarks speak louder then words. "Your" application speed under any platform are the final verdict.
I rarely give benchmarking programs the time of day simply because they are mesuring "that" system and not "my" system.
Very few benchmarking programs are truely "repeatable" and "sandra" has to be the worst especially in my case where SCSI devices are used and IDE is not.
There is ALWAYS some sort of bias involved in any benchmarking program and their is always a slightly differing configuration.
Too many times did a program duplicate itself on duplicate hardware.