America, America, land of the free

[Toaster]

Hello folks,
Today (Tuesday), a second rate , third world sheet heap of a nation killed hundreds of American men women and children. This cowardly act of is without honor or remorse. No doubt, they did this as the word of thier god.
Now, America, home of the free, must go to meet this cowardly foe on the battlefield. This shall be an easy task as these cowards who hide behind women and children should prove to be cannon fodder.
I for one, firmly believe that should the US go abroad to do battle, we should have say over the land we bleed upon.
Americans, your nation needs your support. Your America needs to know how you would respond. Your America needs what you have given so many times in the past, blood, bucks and balls.
These cowards need to be informed of how honorable peoples of the world shall handle such lessor "terrorists".
I have no respect what so ever nor remorse for a peoples that would do such things. Hitler garners more respect.

Its time to pay the tab and Americans plan on presenting the check for payment in full.


"Americans love to fight. Americans love the sting of battle and Americans will not tolerate a looser" George Patton

[reboot]

Nice sentiment, and I sympathize, but...
You (and we) do NOT know it has anything to do with a "third world sheet heap of a nation".
We also do not know it has anything to do with "the word of thier god".

Sorry toaster, I really do understand your anger, but, until the world is informed of what (and who), based on facts, don't automatically blame the (possibly) innocent.

[figarowa]

I kinda agree with toastie here...I my self am tired of being sterotyped as an "american", having a huge home, a million cars, that i'm fat, lazy, eat mc Donalds all the time and watch insurmountable television. As a whole, it seems us as a nation has gotten too soft and cuddly on foreign policy since the ending of the cold war. We basically took it up the rear yesterday as terrorists used our own planes to commit this act...Theres a few questions that ponder my mind in that, sure the terrorists supposedly used ceramic or polyproplene knifes and that there was at least 2 per plane. Why would no one take a stand? I know im not the biggest guy or the quickest, but heck i'm not going to let someone indimidate me with a knife, knowing that this person now has my life in his hands. Another point is why Osama is still alive today following the origional bombing of the WTC. I doubt the american public would have minded if he "dissappeared" before the catastrophe happened yesterday. I think that these acts of terrorism have gone on long enough, we need to return to the "carry a big stick" nation, not the nice little peace keepers.
I'll get off the soap box for now, hopefully bushie can follow in his fathers footsteps and take some corrective action.

[WJWheels]

Originally posted by figarowa ...Theres a few questions that ponder my mind in that, sure the terrorists supposedly used ceramic or polyproplene knifes and that there was at least 2 per plane. Why would no one take a stand? I know im not the biggest guy or the quickest, but heck i'm not going to let someone indimidate me with a knife, knowing that this person now has my life in his hands.

No one took a stand on the first 3 planes because the history of hijackers is to fly us to cuba and get off. No one had an idea they were on a suicide mission. Now the last flight (Pennsylvania crash), they DID know thanks to cell phone conversations, that hijacked planes had flown into the WTC. In that instance brave souls did overpower the attackers.... suicide in itself, but resulting in saving who knows how many other innocent lives. I don't know if I've ever heard of a larger act of bravery.

[SARGE]

I agree with the bootman. When I was in the 8th grade here in Dallas, JFK was shot. Everyone immediately blamed the Russians and Cubans, but then the whitewash began and Oswald was blamed for the history books. When Oklahoma City was bombed, the Arab world and even militias were blamed. Ended up being one of us. This latest event does have evidence pointing toward the East, and despite warnings of "justice", will end up with some paper tiger, or threats. If'n we get too rough, the Arabs may embargo us, and we don't want that.

My beef with our own gov't is that their #1 job in Constitution is defending us; they failed. Then, I hear that it took an hour for the first fighter jet to launch after the twin towers were hit. I say blame them all... Notice how "coalitions and resolutions" are being formed (as usual) and the Prez must get Congress' approval before committing any assaults? Why not just telegraph the bad guys and say we're coming.

[Tiretool]

Reguardless of who did it, they will come to bear the punishment for this evil deed they have commited. If not in this lifetime, then most definitely in the next.


Innocent casualties of this terrible act, you are not forgotten.

[SARGE]

Unfortunately, toolman, we may be wrong about "getting them". The following takes a minute to read, but it says much:

http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2001/07/gerecht.htm

[Toaster]

Hello folks,
Afganistan today told world reporters that the multi-million dollar terrorist (I forgot this bozo`s name) in under "house arrest" and they begged the US "not to bomb them". Now all these cheezy, second rate, third world sheet holes are cowering because NOW they pissed us off bigtyme and we seek BLOOD.
Now...NOW, their "cause" isn't so damned important but rather their meaningless lives.
IRAN, IRAQ and others cower by saying "we should assist in any way possible and put aside our differences".
C'mon! You killed probably THOUSANDS of women, children, elderly and NOW your too bit cause needn't be mentioned?
This coward exiled into Afganistan said very recently to the BBC and English newspapers: "Something very big will happen soon"
Afganistan assisted this unholy goof and offered him protection right up till this past tuesday. Now thier story has changed.
This reminds me of a bully in any school, corner him/her and they back down to save thier collective a$$.

And to "KILL" THOUSANDS in a "holy war" ?

Give me a break! He went on to say recently:
"The US is a mortal enemy and when justice is done and upon the day I die, I will be a martyr and "see" God."

Old Klingon proverb:
" Revenge is a dish thats best served cold"

As an American, I can say clearly and loudly:
" I want blood! " and i`ll give it to get it!

[bob]

http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/12/bin...ile/index.html

[Smoke24]

I personally think that our military should imediately go capture this Bin Laden guy and bring him to New York and hang him from the Statue of Liberty and Televise it on every channel world wide as a warning to the rest of the crazy ragheads in the world that we won't stand for any of their crap. If any country persists in protecting him they should destroy that country and while they're at it they could go finish the job started with Desert Storm and rid the world of Sadam and all of his followers.
I am afraid that our politicians are going to end up doing nothing for fear of offending someone and trying to be politically correct with the rest of the world. They need to get real for once.
I also think that if air traffic had not been shut down that this would have continued across the nation. I believe they had a much bigger plan to do major destuction in all major cities in the U.S. using the same means. I don't know why that possibility hasn't been mentioned by the media or anyone within our government.
There are thousands of these ragheads that have been planted in the U.S. for years, many of them naturalized citizens that own and run businesses and work for major companies that are here to destroy the U.S. from within. They are just waiting for their instructions as to what to do and when from those like Sadam and Laden. Believe it or not.

[Statica]

I know this is in defiance of logic, that people say all over, about identification and targetted attacks. I disagree .. even as the bastard said .. you kill one Osama bin Laden 10 others will rise .. I say do a systematic extermination of every one of them even suspected to be linked to them.

I've lived through a similar attack, the terrorist bombing of the Bombay Stock Exchange and a series of such blasts in India, and hoped I'd never again had to be witness to something as horrible (300+ death toll 1200+ injured). The perpetrators were terrorists based in Islamic fundamentalist and they still hide in the countries that you have seen mentioned above, and havent even been extradicted. At the beginning of the year, the terrorists hijacked an Indian Airlines jet and got the release of 3 islamic terrorists and killed a couple of passengers at a plane commandeered to Afghanistan. The Taliban refused to let Indian forces to go and secure the release, under the pretext that they would take the requisite action and negotiation. Israel has unfortunately had to live through these unnamed horrors on a daily basis.

It really is time to form a global consortium, perhaps even with absolute powers to eradicate these roaches. I am glad that my country has pledged its support. Hopefully some good will come out of it.

[WJWheels]

We will rebuild if just to send a message to these bastards:

[LawyerRon]

I believe legal authority exists for the capture and arrest of members of the Taliban if they're deemed to share responsibility. Remember General Noriega? The U.S. Supreme Court has held time and again that the Constitutional protections enjoyed by people in American territory do not exist in foreign countries. Wouldn't these so-called "leaders" of these countries be surprised if they knew they could be arrested by U.S. forces and returned to the U.S. for trial? I'll bet the thought has already crossed the minds of those in the Taliban.

I remember a case a few years ago about law enforcement agents who tracked a fugitive into Canada. They entered his motel room under circustances that would have clearly violated the 4th Amendment (no warrant) here in the U.S. When the defendant raised the lack of a warrant (and 4th Amendment violation) to suppress all evidence, the U.S Supreme Court said, "Sorry, it didn't happen in the U.S., thus the 4th. Amendment does not apply".

[Statica]

Originally posted by Toaster Hello folks, Afganistan today told world reporters that the multi-million dollar terrorist (I forgot this bozo`s name) in under "house arrest" and they begged the US "not to bomb them".

It is unconfirmed. The news came from the UAE not from the Taliban/Afghanistan. I think they'd rather sooner let Bin Laden flee than hold him.

[Smoke24]

Hey Ron,
I don't want to take anything away from your profession but I would think that these act of terror should preclude and not require the use of our legal system. Just kill them on the spot and don't clog up our courts with their garbage. They are backed up with enough useless junk already from all the rights our own criminals here have. Our justice is definitely not swift and many times not just. Could a criminal not get set free due to his inability to get a fair and speedy trial? Our system is absolutely not speedy even if it is fair.

[Paul Victorey]

Originally posted by Statica I know this is in defiance of logic, that people say all over, about identification and targetted attacks. I disagree .. even as the bastard said .. you kill one Osama bin Laden 10 others will rise .. I say do a systematic extermination of every one of them even suspected to be linked to them. I've lived through a similar attack, the terrorist bombing of the Bombay Stock Exchange and a series of such blasts in India, and hoped I'd never again had to be witness to something as horrible (300+ death toll 1200+ injured). The perpetrators were terrorists based in Islamic fundamentalist and they still hide in the countries that you have seen mentioned above, and havent even been extradicted. At the beginning of the year, the terrorists hijacked an Indian Airlines jet and got the release of 3 islamic terrorists and killed a couple of passengers at a plane commandeered to Afghanistan. The Taliban refused to let Indian forces to go and secure the release, under the pretext that they would take the requisite action and negotiation. Israel has unfortunately had to live through these unnamed horrors on a daily basis. It really is time to form a global consortium, perhaps even with absolute powers to eradicate these roaches. I am glad that my country has pledged its support. Hopefully some good will come out of it.

The problem is, unless you identify and exterminate, you leave yourself open to massive retaliation.

If we attack people and groups NOT responsible, we could find many more groups openly attacking US targets. The majority of terrorist organizations dislike the US, but limit their activities to shouting obscenities and the like. If they actively sought to harm the US, we could have a lot more than a few thousand deaths.

Stupid thing is, all we had to do to avert the whole thing was not keep troops in the mideast. Bin Laden dislikes that our military has never withdrawn from Saudi Arabia since the Gulf War 10 years ago.

[WJWheels]

Originally posted by Paul Victorey Stupid thing is, all we had to do to avert the whole thing was not keep troops in the mideast. Bin Laden dislikes that our military has never withdrawn from Saudi Arabia since the Gulf War 10 years ago.

Your drivel is beginning to sicken me Paul. The mere fact that bin Laden "dislikes" it is probably reason enough to be there. Do you really believe that if we'd left this monster completely to his own wishes that he'd be less of a problem? He and his kind MUST be sought out and exterminated. They have no more right to wend their will on this planet than did Hitler.

[Carl Price]

I was listening to "Mike and Mike in the Morning" on the drive in to work. It was reported by a law enforcement officer that he was in the store ran by one of our "Mid-Eastern" citizens. The Pepsi man came in and asked what he needed. The reply was "10 cases of Pepsi and an airplane". No doubt an attempt at humour but black humor at best.

[Statica]

Originally posted by Paul Victorey Stupid thing is, all we had to do to avert the whole thing was not keep troops in the mideast. Bin Laden dislikes that our military has never withdrawn from Saudi Arabia since the Gulf War 10 years ago.

That is absolutely crazy!!!!
So what you mean to suggest is that every time a militant S.O.B. decides he doesnt want a stabilizing force in his vicinity, the force should withdraw?

Try this for size, suppose it is Bin Laden who is responsible, you would recommend in using adequate force in getting Bin Laden out. And then stop short of establishing a presence (am not even saying that it be an exclusively US presence, a UN presence, a NATO presence .. whatever!) to keep such elements from popping up, should the situation even demand it, so as to leave ourself faced with another disaster from another fanatic? I dont get it.

Oh wait, Saddam Hussein wants withdrawal of troops from Iraq as well .. how about we do that for him? Hey am sure Milosovic would appreciate an apology or at least a Hallmark card "sorry we busted your genocide"...

There was nothing wrong with the US presence in Saudi Arabia, it wasnt an occupation against the wishes of the majority government (or ruling monarchy). It was adequately ratified by the UNO. That was the important step, not overstepping boundaries that have been done by numerous times, but more often than not the US has been part of a ratified or requested troops presence.

Being non-confrontational is good, but changing your views into advocating docility towards terrorist elements is crazy!

Like it or not, the USA has adopted the role of a leader or at least an active role in most parts in bringing the world to some semblance of order. Sure they have made some bad decisions, but look at the overall track record. You have to look at the situation from both points... and then decide whether it was justifiable, not just on the basis of what happened in the space of an hour. Yes the US doesnt need to do it but (a) it does have vested interests in various areas of the world that it needs to protect and (b) that is the role it has adopted thus far.
I'd rather have a USA in there than a Switzerland.

[LawyerRon]

Smoke,
I'm just discussing options, not necessarily the best one. Of course, if we somehow identified their whereabouts and a tomahawk missile "accidentally" hit their location, I don't think anyone in the legal system would object.

[Toaster]

After the rubble is cleared from the WTC site *and* this Bin Laden jerk is brought to the US, we should construct a gallows and hang this turd on the WTC site. Post via the internet complete coverage. When the threats come in, begin the extermination. Absolute and complete.
Go from country to country collecting ANY terrorist and repeat the above.
No more...time to put a foot down and show no quarter to those in defiance.
Arm the israelies, give them a free hand in the gaza strip areas.
Go into IRAN, IRAQ and stir thier sheet up bigtyme.
Hell, even the Russians will help!

[Jade]

So should USA be some form of world police? Should we be? I would think so. Most small developing democracies need our help. It's would-be dictators like bin laden (and believe me Saudi-Arabia would be under his dictatorship if more people in Saudi were sympathetic to him).

And it is our help to the democractic (or democracy friendly) countries which got us to this point so far. The alternative however; is having more countries that are militant strongholds and anti-democractic.

It's our way of life which the average citzen embraces and would protect with his life vs little dictators and thier armed subordinates. They attacked US govt policies but underestimated the populace.

[WJWheels]

Well, by the consortium of countries that are behind us, including at last count even Pakistan, it's the best chance that will ever be available to stomp out terrorism completely. Either you're with us or against us, and if you're not with us then kiss your sandy butt goodbye!

[Statica]

But look at what's going on the streets... its just like the discrepancy between what Arafat had to say and what we saw from the mood on the streets:

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Source
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Osama's war CDs on sale in Pak
ANI
Islamabad, September 13

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A pair of CDs issued by Osama bin Laden' Al-Qaida Organisation showing the Muslim militants being trained at an unidentified location, atrocities in Palestine and bin Laden speaking is being sold in Pakistan.
The filming, done by professional cameramen, includes shots of Palestinian hardships, Israeli atrocities, bin Landen delivering speeches and Islamic militants and children being trained.

The film is filled with a background sound of Quranic verses. The entire film, filled with Quranic verses is aimed at attracting more volunteers to fight against the West.

Video (with grim clips of what we are up against!)

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[figarowa]

back when teddy roosevelt was pres, we were the "police officers" of the world, i think its time to stop being soft and start going after these hot spots of terrorism, how many more innoncents have to die before politicians quit getting in the way.

[mairving]

Originally posted by Paul Victorey Stupid thing is, all we had to do to avert the whole thing was not keep troops in the mideast. Bin Laden dislikes that our military has never withdrawn from Saudi Arabia since the Gulf War 10 years ago.

So we should have just let Sadaam have Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and any other country that he wanted over there. Bin Laden is just using that as an excuse to kill us 'infidels'. Following that argument why doesn't the US adopt rules similar to Afghanistan where if a man shaves, he goes to jail, women can't work nor ride in taxis and even mentioning another religion besides Islam means death. If we did that he would like us better and probably not terrorize us. Or why don't we just bomb Israel. He would most certainly approve of that. It seems from this and your other posts that we should not support those countries like Israel that are democracies but instead we should support those that are dictatorships and have absolutely no human rights at all. Israel in spite of the fact that they are hated by Arabs, is a stabilizing influence in the area and a good friend of America. They certainly do not do things to win friends and influence people. They do them to survive.

The US can't bury it's head in the sand and pretend that things don't happen. The US will not be bullied by cowards such as Bin Laden nor will we stand for terrorism.

[mbossman2]

I received this in an email this morning:

This is a reprint from a post by Charles Brennen from South Florida
on the Trailer Sailor BB. It pretty much says it all:

"Hit The Buildings, Missed America"

An open letter to a terrorist:

Well, you hit the World Trade Center, but you missed America. You
hit the Pentagon, but you missed America. You used helpless American
bodies, to take out other American bodies, but like a poor marksman, you STILL
missed America.

Why? Because of something you guys will never understand. America
isn't about a building or two, not about financial centers, not about
military centers, America isn't about a place, America isn't even about a
bunch of bodies. America is about an IDEA. An idea, that you can go
someplace where you can earn as much as you can figure out how to, live for the
most part, like you envisioned living, and pursue Happiness. (No guarantees
that you'll reach it, but you can sure try!)

Go ahead and whine your terrorist whine, and chant your terrorist
litany: "If you can not see my point, then feel my pain." This concept is
alien to Americans. We live in a country where we don't have to see your
point, But you're free to have one. We don't have to listen to your speech.
But you're free to say one. Don't know where you got the strange idea that
everyone has to agree with you. We don't agree with each other in this country,
almost as a matter of pride. We're a collection of guys that don't agree,
called States. We united our individual states to protect ourselves from
tyranny in the world. Another idea, we made up on the spot. You CAN make it up
as you go, when it's your country.

If you're free enough.

Yeah, we're fat, sloppy, easy-going goofs most of the time. That's
an unfortunate image to project to the world, but it comes of feeling
free and easy about the world you live in. It's unfortunate too, because
people start to forget that when you attack Americans, they tend to fight like a
cornered badger. The first we knew of the War of 1812, was when England
burned Washington D.C. to the ground. Didn't turn out like England thought
it was going to, and it's not going to turn out like you think, either.
Sorry, but you're not the first bully on our shores, just the most recent.

No Marquis of Queensbury rules for Americans, either. We were the
FIRST and so far, only country in the world to use nuclear weapons in anger.
Horrific idea, nowadays? News for you bucko, it was back then too, but we
used it anyway. Only had two of them in the whole world and we used 'em
both.

Grandpa Jones worked on the Manhattan Project. Told me once, that
right up until they threw the switch, the physicists were still arguing over
whether the Uranium alone would fission, or whether it would start a
fissioning chain reaction that would eat everything. But they threw the switch
anyway, because we had a War to win. Does that tell you something about
American Resolve?

So who just declared War on us? It would be nice to point to some
real estate, like the good old days. Unfortunately, we're probably at
war with random camps, in far-flung places. Who think they're safe. Just
like the Barbary Pirates did, IIRC. Better start sleeping with one eye open.

There's a spirit that tends to take over people who come to this
country, looking for opportunity, looking for liberty, looking for freedom.
Even if they misuse it. The Marielistas that Castro emptied out of his
prisons, were overjoyed to find out how much freedom there was. First thing they
did when they hit our shores, was run out and buy guns. The ones that didn't
end up dead, ended up in prisons. It was a big PITA then (especially in
south Florida), but you're only the newest PITA, not the first.

You guys seem to be incapable of understanding that we don't live
in America, America lives in US! American Spirit is what it's called.
And killing a few thousand of us, or a few million of us, won't change
it.

Most of the time, it's a pretty happy-go-lucky kind of Spirit. Until
we're crossed in a cowardly manner, then it becomes an entirely different
kind of Spirit.

Wait until you see what we do with that Spirit, this time.

Sleep tight, if you can. We're coming.

Charles Brennan

[Paul Victorey]

Originally posted by Statica Like it or not, the USA has adopted the role of a leader or at least an active role in most parts in bringing the world to some semblance of order. Sure they have made some bad decisions, but look at the overall track record. You have to look at the situation from both points... and then decide whether it was justifiable, not just on the basis of what happened in the space of an hour. Yes the US doesnt need to do it but (a) it does have vested interests in various areas of the world that it needs to protect and (b) that is the role it has adopted thus far. I'd rather have a USA in there than a Switzerland.

I don't mind our government being proactive NECESSARILY, but I think the govt. has lacked any long-term vision, and has sought only immediate resolutions to immediate problems, which has caused the long-term problems to grow worse, instead of better.

Sometimes, we are simply delaying the inevitable. We continually address the problems, but never the causes. We take sides in conflicts, which alienates one side, and thus further polarizes the warring individuals, and makes any true peace negotiations almost impossible.

Our strategy so far has been to try to "plug the leaks" in high-pressure situations, but this only keeps tensions high, and in some cases, like Israel, leads to decades of repression and terrorism by the different sides. "Peacekeeping" may in the end be a hundred times as bloody as the war we're trying to prevent.

If we do want to take an active part in world events, we must accept a few realities:

1) Going in, guns blazing, will stop immediate problems, but almost invariably creates more problems in the future.
2) In any conflict, people will die. By taking sides, we make ourselves a target. We must accept that by taking sides, we could see thousands, tens of thousands, or even more Americans dead before it's over.
3) Sometimes, we must allow a situation to become worse in the short-term to make long-term peace possible.
4) Just because there is a government under attack does not mean we should support it -- sometimes, people rebel against governments for a good reason.
5) War is sometimes unavoidable, and trying to hold it off may only make it worse in the end.
6) We need to look to a long-term solution to problems, not a "quick fix" which looks good on TV but solves no problems (and may well escalate the problems) in the long run.

I think, if the USA had a well thought out foreign policy, which kept the goal of a LONG-TERM and LASTING peace as the top priority, that we could do a lot of good. If we keep looking for a quick fix, we'd be better off staying neutral because at least we wouldn't make things worse.

Honestly, the Middle East situation, as a whole, has not benefitted from our presence there, in fact, overall, although we've helped in places, we've done more harm than good. We've been taking sides, sending money and troops there for over 50 years, and peace is as far away as ever. Far from stabilizing governments, we've DESTABILIZED them simply because opinions over whether or not their govt. should side with or against us polarizes citizens of nations -- our major Arab allies, Saudi Arabia and Egypt, have had continuous problems because of their ties with America.

America CAN be a strong promoter of peace, but we must alter our methodology. If you had a feud with your neighbor, and I came into your house, shot a few people in your family, then put a gun to your head and told you to be friends, would this help, or hurt? It might stop short-term problems, but it would escalate the hatred which fueled the problems in the first place.

If we truly want peace, we MUST understand that our methods aren't helping -- beating people into submission is not an effective tool of peace.

Now, I'm all for striking back at the terrorists who did this, and I think we must ALWAYS punish those who attack us. But trying to keep peace like we have been doing, by simply forcing people to maintain the illusion that they aren't mortal enemies, is only building further anger, and resentment. This doesn't mean we should give up on the GOAL (peace), but that we need to change the STRATEGY of how we will make the goal a reality.

I don't have any problems with the goals we have, I have problems with how, traditionally, we've pursused this goal. We've spend the past several decades trying to stop problems which we *caused* in the decades before that. We need to deal with the problems, but do so in a way that we PREVENT future problems.

[Gintaras]

Paul is prolly the one who thinks with cold head, logically.

I'm very mad at what happened too.

To strike at Bin Laden could be done if there is evidence that he were involved in Act Of War, and need to be 110% sure about. Even eliminating Bin Laden, won't eliminate problem- it might only cause more problems. Maybe next time would die not 10,000 but 100,000 americans. Would you want this in a year or two?
To catch Bin Laden and to bring him to US to trial- that's a joke for terrorists.

I've watched TV these days, including interview with one former CIA officer who have worked with Bin Laden in Afganistan when russians were there. This guy ISN'T(remeber, guy knows Bin Laden) convinced that Act Of War was Bin Laden's work. I've seen other people discussing about who might be involved in this Act Of War. Most credible, logical opinion I heard
was that there is some country(goverment, their Inteligence) involved, who masterminded Act Of War to precission it was executed. Bin Laden may be a dekoy. Because everyone knows about Bin Laden Myth and it's easy to bait it. It's a job of CIA, FBI, NSA with precission to investigate, find who did mastermind Act Of War and then to strike.
To attack any country without any evidence- only will bring more anger to terrorists and more problems to americans- it even very likely might happen in anyone's here backyard. Remember, next time terrorists might even commit their evil acts using nuke devices. No one expected terrorists to hijack 4 jetliners and crash these causing 1000's of deaths- so, no one can expect/ know what might happen next.

Now, it's time for US, Intellingence to mastermind with cold heads how to strike back with posibillity to eliminate terrorism. It'll be very hard to do that. Don't think anyone here or anywhere wants WWIII or something similar.

If you miss Right targets, very posible terrorists will strike back- it might be worse than tuesday. Security in a month or two will be same as it was before tuesday.

Also, it might need to make a choice: support Israel or Your Own People- don't think there is 3rd choice- get real- there NEVER will be a peace in Middle West.



Don't get my opinions wrong- I'm MAD not less than everyone else here.

[Paul Victorey]

I agree, and I, too, am as angry as anyone at what has transpired. But, lashing out in blind rage will only cause further harm to ourselves. We must focus our anger, and control it. Striking logically, with a clear view of the objective and a clear idea of the long-term ramifications is the best way.

If we killed Bin Laden, but in doing so, created another terrorist leader or leaders that were equally bad, would we have won? I think not. We must consider ALL consequences of our acts, not just the desired consequence, when making a decision.

My whole point was, that we need to think rationally about ALL of our policies toward the Middle East, because solving one problem and creating two more in the process is a less than optimal solution.