"Bin Laden not a Dirtbag"

[SARGE]

Seems a syndicated journalist took offense and defended him when someone called Osama a "dirtbag". Geez, where do these people come from?

[Gintaras]

Originally posted by SARGE Seems a syndicated journalist took offense and defended him when someone called Osama a "dirtbag". Geez, where do these people come from?

Sarge, don't take that as offense, but these people come from US.

In 80's, US(prolly you were in this count) supported "that dirtybag".

Any wonder?
It's sometimes called: Change Of Heart

What about Northern Alliance let's say in a few or in 10 years.
Don't say that you don't support Northern Alliance NOW

[bob]

He is a dirtdiaper douchebag chunk of flea bait with delusions of godhood, and surrounds himself with lowlife outcast rock wiping assholes whose spark of intellect could not even light a firefly's ass.

[Scotty]

Ditto!

[Kubie]

You took the words right out of my mouth bob.
Carl

[Gintaras]

In 80's Bin Laden was an a Very Best friend to ALL amricans and to ALL VERY "FREE" people.

Today you call it a "dirtbag".
Today- Northern Alliance- a Very Best friends of ALL americans, of ALL "FREE" people.

Just wonder, where you were in 80's, and wonder who should everyone blame just in case Empire State Building gets blown up in let's say 10 years from now Hope it won't happen

Quick Fix is a good thing, like it was in 80's.

[SARGE]

Yeah, he was a bud of ours against the Rooskies. We were also buds of Sadam Hussein when Iran junk happened. I believe there are others. Seems we can't pick our friends, except the lesser of 2 evils at the time. No doubt, the NA will be our enemy someday, using weapons we now give them.

BTW, I heard of a poll taken among U.S. women; they think Bin Laden is cute & sexy, and his eyes show he has sincerity. Geez...

[Kubie]

Gintaras,
If I had a very good friend and he did something horrendous to me with the intent to do me great harm, today he would be a dirt bag.
Yes, I was around in the 80's, 70's, 60's, etc. Whats your point? People change, times change. Opinions change.
Carl

[Gintaras]

Originally posted by SARGE Yeah, he was a bud of ours against the Rooskies. We were also buds of Sadam Hussein when Iran junk happened. I believe there are others. Seems we can't pick our friends, except the lesser of 2 evils at the time. No doubt, the NA will be our enemy someday, using weapons we now give them. BTW, I heard of a poll taken among U.S. women; they think Bin Laden is cute & sexy, and his eyes show he has sincerity. Geez...

Should you blame yourself for choosing wrong friends, or you blame bad friends that you've coosen?

[Gintaras]

Originally posted by SARGE Yeah, he was a bud of ours against the Rooskies. We were also buds of Sadam Hussein when Iran junk happened. I believe there are others. Seems we can't pick our friends, except the lesser of 2 evils at the time. No doubt, the NA will be our enemy someday, using weapons we now give them. BTW, I heard of a poll taken among U.S. women; they think Bin Laden is cute & sexy, and his eyes show he has sincerity. Geez...

But you OK that? Like someone did IT in 80's?
On who's hands blood then now or after(If it will, I hope NOT)will be?

You approve IT, Think about

[SARGE]

I approve what? Carl is correct, it's not his/mine/yours fault if a current friend someday stabs you in the back. We could be faulted if'n we kept turning our back to him though. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

[Gintaras]

Originally posted by Carlgif Gintaras, If I had a very good friend and he did something horrendous to me with the intent to do me great harm, today he would be a dirt bag. Yes, I was around in the 80's, 70's, 60's, etc. Whats your point? People change, times change. Opinions change. Carl

Point is:

You choose the friends and you're the one to blame for what fiends you have choosen.

Do you want someone else to blame for your choices?

[pcoopers]

I haven't figured out how to quote someone yet, Qintara said picking our freinds is like choosing the lesser of two evils.

Funny thing is, I feel that way at almost every election!

Only rarely am I sure who stands for what, even more rarely am I sure the winner won't stab us in the back. Few politicians would hesitate to sell all our souls to further his career, or make a few bucks.

They could even sell nuclear missile technology to China!

[mairving]

Originally posted by pcoopers I haven't figured out how to quote someone yet, Qintara said picking our freinds is like choosing the lesser of two evils.

You can quote someone two ways. One is to click on the quote button in the bottom right of their post. The other is while posting to put it in a couple of quote tags like so:
[quot]Quoted text[/quot]

*** Note I left the e off of the quote just so it would show here.

[Hosie]

I may still be considered young (27yrs old) but am i the only one that thinks the whole world is getting too "touchy feely"? You cant say this cuz it will offend someone, you cant do that cuz someone else might see it and not think its right....sheeez. Osama IS a Dirt Bag, end of story. No touchy feely reporter is gonna tell me other wise.

I am not sure what Gintaras is trying to say, is it our responsibility for our "friends" actions? No more than you are responsible for what i type here...

I support the 2nd Ammendment and i do own firearms. This is not a challenge merely a statement. I believe in this right, like i believe in freedom of speech, and all the other ammendments. I am not challenging anybody's beliefs, just stating my own.

[Tuf]

Yes I agree Osama is not a "dirtbag", he is a P.O.S. of epic proportions. Whether we were friendly with him twenty years or not has nothing to do with anything. Should "we" automatically hate everyone because they are not Americans? Of course NOT. But it is Ignorance posing as Arrogance to pretend that it is America's responsibility because we befriended this Idiot in the past. I find it incredible that someone would infer that the American people are responsible for this fools actions, when I would hazard to guess that 99.99% of all American people had never heard of Bin Laden six months ago and even fewer twenty tears ago. History will record Bin Laden as an Evil Soul and his Supporters as some of the stupidest Morons to ever populate the Earth.
Gintaras I'm not entirely sure what your point is, but it seems like you are trying to seperate yourself from the rest of America. The downside to your point is that America should kill all that is foriegn or in disagreement with her leaves you awfully vulnerable, does it not?
The world is a complicated place but no one with two functioning brain cells could possibly be of the opinion that the United States bears any of the responsibility of this attack.

[Kubie]

Thanks Tuf.
That is the point I was trying to make. You said it a whole lot better then I did.
Carl

[Tuf]

Personally I found it hard to respond to this thread in language that is appropriate for all to read. I spent the majority of my adult life in Naval Special Warfare, much of it in the Middle East. I don't think any response to an attack on our home soil to be too severe. I think the punishment should be heavy handed, and the point made that if you attack the United States that you and your cause will be but a memory. At this point we need to make it clear you don't have to like us or trade with us, but if you attack us we will eradicate your kind from the face of the Earth forever,PERIOD.

[Gintaras]

I am not sure what Gintaras is trying to say, is it our responsibility for our "friends" actions? No more than you are responsible for what i type here...

I know how people do "sometimes" feel about responsability.

Gintaras I'm not entirely sure what your point is, but it seems like you are trying to seperate yourself from the rest of America.

Not sure what my point is, but it seems i'm trying to separate myself...
It seems that "not sure".
I'm not even thinking to try, just don't want something like 9/11 happen again.

The world is a complicated place but no one with two functioning brain cells could possibly be of the opinion that the United States bears any of the responsibility of this attack.

World as in "World Series", or as 5 continents?
Don't need to make it more complicated place.

by pcoopers(on the other tread): Right and wrong aside, getting the facts straight is important because: THEY WHO WON'T LEARN THE LESSONS OF HISTORY, ARE CONDEMNED TO REPEAT THE MISTAKES OF THEIR FATHERS!

Who's RESPONSABILITY might be that this time "friends" are NA.
The very same NA that Bin Laden murdered with the very help of United States and CIA?
Even if they're now "friends", do you think, they did forget who helped Bin Laden to murder them some 15-20 years ago?

Bin Laden is an EVIL.
Just, when you choose friends, you should be careful.

I don't even want to discuss this anymore.
I better agree with anything...

[bob]

Blaming the US in a time of war puts one in the same club as Jane Fonda and Tokyo Rose.

[Hosie]

Gintaras, when you say NA are you refering to the northern alliance? We did not help Bin Laden "murder" then as you say... in fact we were helping all of Afganistan, including The NA if they even existed then, fight against Russia, a foreign state trying to take control of an independant nation. I am begininng to wonder if you even know what you are talking about... I believe everyone is entitled to their opinions, as long as it is an INFORMED opinion stated by the facts.

[Gintaras]

I believe everyone is entitled to their opinions, as long as it is an INFORMED opinion stated by the facts.

I agree 100%

I am begininng to wonder if you even know what you are talking about..

No, I don't... I just happened to be 17-18 y.o. at the time events begun, seen tombstones of those who were killed by Bin Laden & Co. back then, and to ad to that- I wasn't brainwashed by the communist propaganda either.

fight against Russia, a foreign state trying to take control of an independant nation

That's what you were told to believe
I was in the same situation, believe me.


As I said in my last post, I better agree to anything...
I made my comment on last quote, but for some reason, wouldn't like to disagree or discuss that.


Best Wishes

[erucader]

Even if Bin Laden was trained by Americans, the attacks were not the US' fault ... I don't think that Bin Laden's hatred towards us comes from a possible friendship at any point.

Also understand that Muslims around the world constantly suffer oppression and it is unfortunate that such a terrible event is required to wake people up to what is happening in the world. I am not a supporter of bin Laden, but I understand what he is doing (and his methods are far too extreme).

By the way, to people who call him a dirtbag and a fool, realise that this

Originally posted by bob ... dirtdiaper douchebag chunk of flea bait with delusions of godhood, and surrounds himself with lowlife outcast rock wiping assholes whose spark of intellect could not even light a firefly's ass....

has accomplished much more that any law abiding citizen will accomplish in their lifetime or the next.

ed

[erucader]

Originally posted by bob Blaming the US in a time of war puts one in the same club as Jane Fonda and Tokyo Rose.

I know ill probably be killed for this, but why exactly does the US always have to be right?

[mairving]

Originally posted by erucader I know ill probably be killed for this, but why exactly does the US always have to be right?

You won't be killed for this. Now if you were in Afghanistan under the Taliban leadership, there would be a much higher chance if you accused their government as being wrong.

Besides no one ever said that the US is always right. We have made plenty of mistakes in the past out of naiveity and greed and mere stupidity.

[bob]

I know ill probably be killed for this, but why exactly does the US always have to be right?


Do you think the US is wrong here. Should we become an Islamic country?
The US can make mistakes but that does not make right or wrong.

Canada seems to follow US policy. Does that make them wrong too?

[Sauron]

Well...Bin Laden is err well unfit for such attacks...those planes in my opinion were remote controlled. Goldenheart technology....4 countries possest this tech...USA, Russia, China, and Israel. Middle East does not. Well considering that the older Bush had special agreements with Bin Laden, (mostly billions of dollars) they well may have it now. But, why does America have to bomb the whole country for one man? Blame one mans faults on the whole country? Why can't America send in the CIA? Or some assult team? Or why don't we get Israel to send in the Mossad...they seem to have lots and lots of ideas on how to do that considering they fight rock throwing Palestinians with tanks, special helicopters, bombs, missles. I just don't see why we have to bomb, blowup a country for one man? Suppose he isn't there? So you have hundreds of thousands dead? A mistake? America is supposed to get along with everyone, not show that America is better then everyone else. "Listen jackass, do what I say, or you are history" Sorry for my input, but this is what I believe.

[SARGE]

Huh??

[jessho]

Suppose Bin Laden was a Pit Bull. You have it for years, never bites, doesn't even growl, but one day it takes off half of your kid's face. What do you do?

[SARGE]

Avoid situation to begin with (getting a pit bull). When kids were young we asked a vet for ideas on best dog with kids around. Golden Retriever, hands down by 3 different vets. Same applies to Osama.