doom3 still lags even with nvidia 6800

[tibs]

the 6800 is supposed to be the best for doom 3, so ive read........

i just got this card today, and im not impressed, well its play able but for $440 im not impressed...Im running the game at medium settings and 800x600, with 2x AA...........still lags quite abit......in fact it doesnt feel any faster than a friends Radeon 9800.......

for you radeon people who dont know nvidia, the nvidia 6800 is, according to benchmarks, is supposed to be better than your x800......

I have the latest driver for the card i downloaded fron nvidias site.....

so........the only thing i can think of is........is my memory or cpu bottlenecking?

i have a p4 2.0 ghz, 512 ddr ram (400 mhz)

my friend with the radeon had 2.40ghz p4, thats the only thing he had over me.......

how can i tell what needs to be upgraded? btw: how do i check fps for doom, whats the console code?

[Force Flow]

The speed of the RAM is fine, and CPU probably isn't a bottleneck (unless it's running at less than 800FSB). Even then, I doubt it.

Are you running any programs in the background?

Have you scanned for spyware with spybot and adaware?

[bigandy]

I don't have any suggestions other than Force's. To answer your question on FPS, bring up the console by hitting Ctrl + Alt + ~, then type "com_showfps 1" (no quotes), and it will give you your FPS.

[tibs]

Originally Posted by Force Flow The speed of the RAM is fine, and CPU probably isn't a bottleneck (unless it's running at less than 800FSB). Even then, I doubt it. Are you running any programs in the background? Have you scanned for spyware with spybot and adaware?

i dont remeber what the fsb is, the cpu is a year old or so....

i scan for spyware often, i did a scan yesterday..........only thing running in the background besides winxp processes are norton anti virus and internetsecurity.....

[bigandy]

Hmmm, Norton has been known to cause some problems. Try disabling the NAV and NIS and running the game.

[DragonNOA1]

Is this a plain vanilla 6800 or GT or ultra? I didn't see where you stated it before.

Have you gone through and disabled background services?

Have you checked the driver settings in case 8xAA or 16xAF is accidently on?

[Force Flow]

You may want to ditch the norton security package and get AVG and a firewall such as sygate, kerio, or ZA 4.5 instead.

Kerio :http://www.kerio.com/us/kpf_download.html
Sygate: http://smb.sygate.com/products/spf_standard.htm

Norton packages usually have a significant impact on performance.

Also, have you scanned with *both* adaware and spybot?

[antgross@pacbell.net]

It's not the video card that's the problem, it's your processor. If you want better performance you'll need faster cpu. I have athlon 2700+ and I can run the game on the highest settings. I also have leadtek 6800gt card.

[Doobie]

Originally Posted by antgross@pacbell.net It's not the video card that's the problem, it's your processor. If you want better performance you'll need faster cpu. I have athlon 2700+ and I can run the game on the highest settings. I also have leadtek 6800gt card.

Its not the processor because mine is 2.0 and with 512 in ram and I run the game fine on highest settings.

[Markoman01027]

We need to know what kind of NVIDIA 6800 the video card is first like someone suggested.

I think this could also be a software issue. Try disabling both programs and see if the game will run better. Better yet- Disable as many programs not needed to be running and see if it will improve game performance.

[Driv33R]

HAha, U messed something up! I have and old rig P4 1.7, 512 pc2100 ram, geforce 5200 ultra 128mb OCed, and a soundblaster 2 zs. And it runs the game smothly on 1024x768 high settings. And im not talking about my second system with geforce 6800gt. I ran it with no problems and like 60 fps on ultra high settings and 1600x1200 resolution. Its not ur CPU for sure. Maybe ur memmory is bad or somethng. Try checking it with memtest. Also how are the other games perform?

[Force Flow]

The hardware on the system should support the game with no problems. Is there anything else down in the system tray?

[WhatsThisBoxFor?]

As well as the system tray have you tried www.blackviper.com ? It gives you a list of services you can disable.

[tibs]

its an 6800 GT


im well aware of the graphic card settings........actually the default, atleast with mine was off.....

no i didnt close the background services.......nor do i want to, nor do i know what any of those do, and im sure they're there for a reason, what i want to know is, what need to be upgraded.......

background services shouldnt be an issue, since on my friends computer, he has xp with the same programs running in the background....i have a better video card, but he has .40ghz cpu faster than me, thats the only difference....

other games such as unreal tournament 2004 with its settings all set on high, runs very very well...........but not doom 3, but doom 3 was the only reason i upgraded the videocard right now anyway....

[tibs]

Originally Posted by Driv33R HAha, U messed something up! I have and old rig P4 1.7, 512 pc2100 ram, geforce 5200 ultra 128mb OCed, and a soundblaster 2 zs. And it runs the game smothly on 1024x768 high settings. And im not talking about my second system with geforce 6800gt. I ran it with no problems and like 60 fps on ultra high settings and 1600x1200 resolution. Its not ur CPU for sure. Maybe ur memmory is bad or somethng. Try checking it with memtest. Also how are the other games perform?

i are sure about your settings? kinda hard for me to believe when i read::::

High Quality - Defaults to a resolution of 800x600 and is intended for graphics cards with 256MB of memory and systems with 768MB to 1GB of memory. Normal maps are uncompressed, while specular and diffuse maps remain compressed. An anisotropic filtering level of 8X is enabled, which can be overridden with the image_anisotrophy variable. The most sound effects are also used.


Ultra Quality - Defaults to a resolution of 1024x768 and is intended for graphics cards with 512MB of memory and systems with 1GB or more of memory. Textures are not compressed and 8X anisotropic filtering is enabled.

[yellohut]

Originally Posted by tibs no i didnt close the background services.......nor do i want to, nor do i know what any of those do, and im sure they're there for a reason, what i want to know is, what need to be upgraded......

I don't think upgrading any of your hardware will improve anything that much. I think it's probbaly some background services that are slowing it down. I highly recommend going to blackviper's site and at least looking at his guide. He icludes a very detailed description of all the processes, so you don't have to disable any you don't want to.

You could also try running defrag to see if that sppeds things up.

Originally Posted by tibs background services shouldnt be an issue, since on my friends computer, he has xp with the same programs running in the background....i have a better video card, but he has .40ghz cpu faster than me, thats the only difference....

no two systems are exactly the same.. if you are really really against disabling servicdes, the best thing to do is check for viruses/spyware/adware run a defrag, close anything open in the system tray and hope for the best.

[DragonNOA1]

You have a solid power connector from the PSU directly to the card and nothing else? I just read a thread where he changed it out and it made a difference.

[tibs]

Originally Posted by DragonNOA1 You have a solid power connector from the PSU directly to the card and nothing else? I just read a thread where he changed it out and it made a difference.

oh wow, you might just have hit the nail on the head...........havent tried it, but i just realized, the damn thing is sharing with a fan and a sata 7200 hd....


man i hope thats it

couldnt be really anything else, this are new HD's, did a fresh install a couple weeks ago, i keep the defragged, i constantly scan for spywarez.......etc etc.....

this is my first vid card requiring a power connector so......

[tibs]

ok, that didnt make 1 fps bit of difference...........


hmmm just fyi, the first level of doom3 when you look up at that spcae ship thingy im getting 17fps on medium settings and doesnt seem to change between 800x600 and 1024x768.....

oh btw, i found a stick of 128 ddr ram laying around so now i have 640ram, that didnt make any difference either........

[Markoman01027]

Originally Posted by tibs oh wow, you might just have hit the nail on the head...........havent tried it, but i just realized, the damn thing is sharing with a fan and a sata 7200 hd.... man i hope thats it couldnt be really anything else, this are new HD's, did a fresh install a couple weeks ago, i keep the defragged, i constantly scan for spywarez.......etc etc..... this is my first vid card requiring a power connector so......

Make sure the hard drive GETS it's own power, and not shares any power with anything else.

It's fine for the video card to share it's power with the case fan.

[Driv33R]

Tibs im sure about the settings the only thing i did on my old rig was disable the bumpmapping. and it runs great

[tibs]

ok well power supply idea we can scrap.....video card has its own power supply line; not sharing, power supply isnt being over run, i unplugged my 3 dvd and cd drives...

[tibs]

man im getting very frustrated.....i saw what benchmarks people are getting with the 6800 gt; at 1204x768 on high quality are getting around 90 fps

as for me, im getting 40fps and below...........averages around 30.....

-power source isnt an issue
-scanned computer for viruses, and spy ware, yes with adaware and spy bot
-HD's are defraged
-disabled some background service
-disabled nortons internet secturity


what the hell is goin on here


*edit* the fps's seem to stay the same, regardless if it was medium setting or high, regardless if AA is off or set at 8X, even AF set off or high, doesnt seem to make a difference.........but still lags.......its acting like its low on memory or the cpu is bottlenecking..........im also not hearing my hd's being paged, so that pretty much rules out lack of memory......

[tibs]

seeing how my system is acting hen playing, it acts like the card is lagging, but, since its a 6800gt and should be getting twice the fps than im getting, im guesssing its the cpu........

cpu:P4 northwood 2.ghz 100fsb


*edit* after looking at the performance monitor after playing doom, pages/sec and processor time is maxed at 100.......

today, when i try and quit doom, after i click yes to quit, my computer freezes.....

[CaptTuna]

Originally Posted by tibs ok well power supply idea we can scrap.....video card has its own power supply line; not sharing, power supply isnt being over run, i unplugged my 3 dvd and cd drives...

Dosen't the 6800's need 2 separate power leads and not 2 plugs from the same lead?

[tibs]

Originally Posted by CaptTuna Dosen't the 6800's need 2 separate power leads and not 2 plugs from the same lead?

you're thinking of the 8600 ultra it has 2 power connectors........mine has one...(GT)

[tibs]

could it somehow be my motherboard???

my mobo

[Markoman01027]

Originally Posted by tibs seeing how my system is acting hen playing, it acts like the card is lagging, but, since its a 6800gt and should be getting twice the fps than im getting, im guesssing its the cpu........ cpu:P4 northwood 2.ghz 100fsb *edit* after looking at the performance monitor after playing doom, pages/sec and processor time is maxed at 100....... today, when i try and quit doom, after i click yes to quit, my computer freezes.....

The Northwood's run at 800Mhz FSB. Yours right now is only running at 400Mhz FSB. You need to go into the BIOS and change the FSB to 200.

How are your system temps and CPU temps doing? Do you have proper cooling? How many processes do you have running in the background?

Do you have the latest drivers for your video card and your motherboard chipset? If not, get them, install them and let us know how that works.

[yellohut]

I don't think it is..
have you tried putting your card in your friends machine, just to make sure there isn't a problem with the card?

[Yuanji]

would drivers have any differences? I've heard that for some of the newer games you have to get 3rd party drivers cuz NVidia isnt updating them enough