Xbox 360 vs. PS3

[tomster2300]

I was watching the tech demos on Gamespot from E3 and I have to say, it looks amazing. I have to say my favorite so far is Killzone 2. It looks like it'll play like Halo but seems more intense. Much more intense. From this little bit I've seen it looks like the Xbox 360 is going to have a tough battle against the Playstation 3.

Which one do you guys plan on buying, or is it too early to tell? Plus, will they be able to compete directly against computers now in gaming?

[arthur666]

Don't know. Depends on the driving games (Test drive Unlimited looks like it could be mind blowing, as it uses a map of the entire island of Ohahu (sp? sorry, Hawaiians) mapped from satellite as a driving playground). Also depends on which one will support Oblivion, the Morrowind sequel. It'll probably be cheaper to buy a console than to upgrade my computer to run that monster of a game. I'll wait for the systems to come out and study some reviews.

[ric449]

As I said in GD, if the PS3 has Final Fantasy and Xbox 360 doesn't, its a clear win for PS3.

[TeenPcknowit]

Originally Posted by ric449 As I said in GD, if the PS3 has Final Fantasy and Xbox 360 doesn't, its a clear win for PS3.

Xbox will
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7878662/

But sony has always had the market lead and most fans, Ps3 is gunna sell like hotcakes, and be cheaper too, considering M$'s past.

[tomster2300]

Its looking like the Xbox is a definite go for FFXI while the PS3 is supposed to have some fashion of a FF game in the future. Odd, I know, but it looks like FF sided with the xbox this go around -- at least initially.

[ric449]

BTW, I should say that I'm not counting online Final Fantasy that I have to pay monthly for. I'm not paying a subscription for a game I already paid for.

[tomster2300]

Originally Posted by TeenPcknowit Xbox will http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7878662/ But sony has always had the market lead and most fans, Ps3 is gunna sell like hotcakes, and be cheaper too, considering M$'s past.

You got that in right before I could. Sorry about that.

From the specs I'm seeing right now, I think the PS3 is going to pull ahead from the xbox by a good margin -- not to mention all the stuff it's compatible with, including built in wifi -- you have to buy it extra with the xbox. I think microsoft might sell more initially because of its earlier release date, but I think in the end the PS3's superiority will prove dominant. It just looks tight too

[TeenPcknowit]

Originally Posted by tomster2300 You got that in right before I could. Sorry about that. From the specs I'm seeing right now, I think the PS3 is going to pull ahead from the xbox by a good margin -- not to mention all the stuff it's compatible with, including built in wifi -- you have to buy it extra with the xbox. I think microsoft might sell more initially because of its earlier release date, but I think in the end the PS3's superiority will prove dominant. It just looks tight too

Sony just has more support from more game makers than any company ever could.

Nintendo is a first party gaming company, in that, all of its hits are made by the company itself.

Microsoft xbox is a 2nd party company, in that, all of its hits are from companies aquired by, or allied with microsoft I.E. Bungee and Halo
And the Upcomming perfect dark zero from Rare.
(rare was previously owned by nintendo, and sold to Microsoft.)
Rare is most known for their hits, Crusin USA, Diddy kong racing, Banjo kazooe, and perfect dark, a revolutionizing FPS for the N64.

Sony is a 1st/3rd party game company, it gets great games from all angles.

[tomster2300]

Well I still think that a superior console adds to the successful formula.

[TeenPcknowit]

Originally Posted by tomster2300 Well I still think that a superior console adds to the successful formula.

Well of course, whats the second most used excuse for "why you purchased an xbox" query?

"It's the most powerfull"

[tomster2300]

Excuse or not, it's true.

[nocturnx]

Im clearly gonna end up buying both consoles, but im definatley more excited about the ps3. This will be the first time sony has the console with the best graphics. Which just goes to show you, its all about the games. Yea FFXI is coming out for xbox 360, but it sucks on ps2 so i cant see it being any better, but FF thirteen will be for ps3........hopefully it will come out for both systems though. Oh yea The Godfather game looks sweet for xbox 360.

[Yuanji]

Xbox360 is hoping to get the most support from game devs this time around as they are supporting the most user friendly dev kits and also are releasing first so will have a larger library when PS3 rolls around. PS3 is supposedly a nightmare to program for so many game developers might side with Microsoft this time around.

[tigstah]

Originally Posted by tomster2300 I was watching the tech demos on Gamespot from E3 and I have to say, it looks amazing. I have to say my favorite so far is Killzone 2. It looks like it'll play like Halo but seems more intense. Much more intense. From this little bit I've seen it looks like the Xbox 360 is going to have a tough battle against the Playstation 3. Which one do you guys plan on buying, or is it too early to tell? Plus, will they be able to compete directly against computers now in gaming?

i think killzone 2 was a tech demo. it looked very nice tho.
vision gran tourismo i believe i read was a tech demo also.

nintendo, well they were there, mostly in spirit.
they showed nothing. oh wait they showed the black box, no controller.....i guess u use your mind....i'm tired.

[nocturnx]

with all the xbox 360 and ps3 hype, I havent heard anything about the next nintendo. If i had to guess the only games that will come out for it are mario, metroid, and zelda. I couldnt bring myself to spend the money to buy a gamecube for 3 games heh.

[TeenPcknowit]

Originally Posted by nocturnx with all the xbox 360 and ps3 hype, I havent heard anything about the next nintendo. If i had to guess the only games that will come out for it are mario, metroid, and zelda. I couldnt bring myself to spend the money to buy a gamecube for 3 games heh.

But in all honesty xbox has less good games...

[Uber_Gamer]

Microsoft has their strategy down this time. They actually lost money overall with the first Xbox. Essentially, it's sole purpose was to establish a reputation for Microsoft within the gaming community. If you read Time's new article, Microsoft (while this may be dramatic) is planning to redefine culture and games. Regardless of whether this is true, Microsoft's timing for console and game release is really intelligent. Sony is going to be hurting. The xbox 360 is slated for around Thanksgiving, whereas Sony will be coming out with the PS3 around April. And right as the PS3 launches, Microsoft will launch their second line-up of games.... including..... drumroll please.... Halo 3.

[ric449]

Wow, that really is a pretty good tactic. Also, most non geeks won't know when the PS3 is coming out, so when they see the new Xbox they will want it not knowing that PS3 is on its way, meaning a lot of people would have already blown their cash by the PS3 gets here.

[tomster2300]

Originally Posted by ric449 Wow, that really is a pretty good tactic. Also, most non geeks won't know when the PS3 is coming out, so when they see the new Xbox they will want it not knowing that PS3 is on its way, meaning a lot of people would have already blown their cash by the PS3 gets here.

Now I don't know if that is entirely true. The average Joe I hope knows that the PS3 is eventually on its way -- although you're probably right.

Are you sure that Killzone 2 was merely a tech demo? That was a big arguement on the Gamespot forums, whether it was real game footage or not. If a game could look that good then I'm thunderstruck. No need to keep upgrading my pc if consoles are going to be producing stuff like this (plus its wayyy cheaper to go with the console).

I currently own both current consoles (that matter -- xbox and PS2), so I'll probably end up owning both of these as well. It just seems like the PS3 is better suited for me. It has ports for all kinds of current memory devices while the xbox is limited to a set of memory cards (correct me plz if I'm wrong). It includes a built in wifi -- something which I can take advantage of with my wireless router. This comes separately with the xbox.

But in the end, I think it'll come down to who has the better games -- in the past it was the PS2, largely because of Sony's immense support. I don't think the graphics will be incredibly different for either of the new consoles - the xbox and the PS2 were practically identical, it wasn't enough difference to make me go out and buy the other one (though I did do that).

I hope Nintendo does throw a monkey wrench into this whole scheme, though I doubt they have the time now to really change much. That's sad, cause I was a Nintendo boy myself up until the Gamecube.

I don't think that Halo 3 will really affect the release of the PS3. The only thing which might do that would be not having enough consoles on opening day. This was the case when the PS2 came out was it not?

[nocturnx]

Originally Posted by Uber_Gamer Microsoft has their strategy down this time. They actually lost money overall with the first Xbox. Essentially, it's sole purpose was to establish a reputation for Microsoft within the gaming community. If you read Time's new article, Microsoft (while this may be dramatic) is planning to redefine culture and games. Regardless of whether this is true, Microsoft's timing for console and game release is really intelligent. Sony is going to be hurting. The xbox 360 is slated for around Thanksgiving, whereas Sony will be coming out with the PS3 around April. And right as the PS3 launches, Microsoft will launch their second line-up of games.... including..... drumroll please.... Halo 3.

I second tomster. Its all about the games. Halo 3 will have no effect on ps3's launch, it didnt effect ps2's launch. Actually Sega did the same tatic of launching months before ps2 with the dreamcast and it sure didnt work for them. I dont think it matters who comes out first or not. Its gonna be about the games. I will probly hold off on getting an xbox360 until it has its first price drop, but i cant wait for the ps3 launch.

[TeenPcknowit]

I'm not sure if any of you have been looking into Nintendo's scheme but they actually have a VERY interesting addition to their new system.
N64, SNES and NES games will be downloadable and playable on the Nintendo Revolution, to the system itself, not from a pc.
I think thats a big plus for old time gamers who cant seem to find a used copy of that game they've been wanting for years. I know I want to play harvest moon on n64 again. It will be like on-demand games, except you will own them, nintendo is actually debating whether or not to make this feature free also!!!

The revolutoin will also play dvd movies, and Gamecube discs. Though it will only be 3-5 times as powerfull as the Gamecube, nintendo will be able to pump this system out cheaply, and in all honesty, the devices in these new systems, xbox 360 and ps3, can't even be utilized to half of their potential, and hard to make games with.

Xbox 360 also faces the issue of them jumping on the Nvidia train when the first xbox utilized an ATI card. Backwards compatibilty with the xbox games is going to be very pricey to attain on Xbox 360 for microsoft & microsoft hasn't talked about backwards compatibilty with the xbox yet...so bad news. Not to mention all of the games are required to be In the 16:9 HDTV ratio. Sure..this is great for the 5% of americans who own hdtv, but think how annoying that ratio will look on a regular tv.

Halo 3 is yes, dated for realease in 2006, but if halo 2 practically jsut came out, that will only be around 1 year in development which means it will almost completly the same as halo 2!! A different story line, woopdi woo, like halo even has that great of one anyways. There is no way that they can set halo 3 apart from halo 2 with this little amount of time, even though I DOUBT taht they will actually finish the game by spring next year. If they do, power too them, let the foolish xbox owners waste their money on an identical game to the previous.
Halo is the diamond in the ruff for xbox, and if they screw this one up just to try and hold ps3 down, i hope the whole gaming community notices.


What is great about sony is that they just have so many good games, and Nintendo has so many classics, and they are about sticking to the soul of gaming...the games. Xbox 360 is going to be pricy, there's no denying it, and there is no way the system will be under $300 dollars at launch.

[nocturnx]

Wow I would for sure get a nintendo revolution if you could download and play N64, Snes, and nes games. I hope they make that a feature, I cant see getting one otherwise. Im not sure why you say the devices in the xbox 360 and ps3 cant be used to their full potential. I definatley agree with you on Halo being microsofts diamond in the ruff. I mean any other good game you can get for xbox is also on ps2.

I cant see either system being under $300 at launch. I think the ps3 with its more advanced hardware would be more likely to cost more than the xbox 360.

[arthur666]

If one supported a mouse and keyboard, that would help me make a decision. I can't get used to the thumb-thingies for FPS games. It looks like at least the Xbox360 has USB support.

[TeenPcknowit]

Originally Posted by nocturnx Wow I would for sure get a nintendo revolution if you could download and play N64, Snes, and nes games. I hope they make that a feature, I cant see getting one otherwise. Im not sure why you say the devices in the xbox 360 and ps3 cant be used to their full potential. I definatley agree with you on Halo being microsofts diamond in the ruff. I mean any other good game you can get for xbox is also on ps2. I cant see either system being under $300 at launch. I think the ps3 with its more advanced hardware would be more likely to cost more than the xbox 360.

That is a good point, but microsoft has a 3 core chip as compared to just a single one, i'm not sure which consumes more power considering these new dual core chips supposedly use the same as a single core, but I have my hunch...Either way, considering microsoft's past, I think the xbox 360 will be about 50 bucks more than the ps3. -+* Gut feeling*+-

[tomster2300]

If they come with wireless controllers, then I'm sure they will support keyboard and mouse. The PS2 did, and it only had 1-2 usb ports (cant remember and my PS2 isn't in the room with me). Plus the PS3 is supposed to have 6 usb ports -- I can pretty much guarantee you that with that many ports you'll have a keyboard and mouse, along with whatever else you want -- including a hair dryer. These consoles are moving towards becoming computers with every release. I believe the PS3 is taking the consoles to this new next level even more than the xbox 360, which is why I'm planning on waiting for the PS3's release. The prices are going to be under $500, though I doubt they'd be anywhere near $300 -- I'd say $400ish.

Here is the link for the specs and continuing information from E3.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05...24681.html?q=1

All I can say for sure is that the PS3 is going to kick major booty. It's going to stomp my computer, and I have a 6800 GT

Why would they make the Revolution less powerful than the Gamecube? Where did you read that at? I haven't read anything about the Gamecube -- but I think it would be dumb to make it less powerful than what they already have on the market. Am I reading this wrong? I must be.

Halo 2 isn't much different at all from the first one. It's repetitive still and doesn't really improve at all on the original. You're right, with only one year of development it's a guaranteed loser. Unless they've been working on it for awhile in preparation for the new consoles. If it were me I would attempt to create a quality game to compete against the PS3 and not just try to sell it on name recognition alone. I think Halo has kind of lost it profit threat. To me it has (I preordered #2 after being told it would be sold out for a long time -- friend of mine bought it at the store off the shelf a week later. I was digusted that I had spent my $50 after beating it -- this included playing on xbox live too, that is definately no fun).

[ric449]

Apparantly the PS3 is supposed to be more powerful than 2 6800 Ultra's in SLI.

[TeenPcknowit]

Originally Posted by tomster2300 Why would they make the Revolution less powerful than the Gamecube? Where did you read that at? I haven't read anything about the Gamecube -- but I think it would be dumb to make it less powerful than what they already have on the market. Am I reading this wrong? I must be.

Originally Posted by TeenPcknowit The revolutoin will also play dvd movies, and Gamecube discs. Though it will only be 3-5 times as powerfull as the Gamecube.

Some MSNBC link. By the way the new nintendo systemw ill be 3-5 more powerfull than the gamecube....not he other way around :-p

[tomster2300]

Alright, sorry, I thought I was reading that wrong. Two points for being stupid.

[Hi Ho]

If one supported a mouse and keyboard, that would help me make a decision. I can't get used to the thumb-thingies for FPS games. It looks like at least the Xbox360 has USB support.

According to Toms Hardware the Xbox360 will support a keyboard and mouse but it will be up to the game developers whether they want to implement it or not.

I think both consoles look amazing. If there are a lot of good games (including Halo 3) that support a mouse I'll definetely be getting an Xbox360.

[Yuanji]

First of all, of course Halo had no effect on PS2 launch. PS2 came out before the Xbox did. Dreamcast couldn't do much vs PS2 because Sega didn't have a good rep the previous generation and didn't have the money to license as many devs as Microsoft can do this time around. If I'm not mistaken, backwards compatiblity is probably going to be included on the Xbox360 as in many videos, Xbox1 generation games can be played on Xbox360. Also, an Xbox live questionnare apparently answered the question that Xbox360 could play with Xbox over live as long as it was over an Xbox 1 generation game. Also, don't make an assumption that a good game cannot be developed in around a year. Splinter Cell is the shining model that they pumped out a new game in about a year each time and they have all been stunning.