bad games

[id10x]

waves of bad games and crap graphics engines are in the market these days . its hard
to find games that preform properly i have wasted some good money so far
on unplayable games it all started with far cry 2 as i like role playing shooter games

http://forum.pcmech.com/showthread.php?t=210888

then when it failed i tried borderlands

http://borderlandsguide.com/forum/fr...es-borderlands
http://borderlandsguide.com/forum/bo...ly-fps-problem

there threads all over the internet about haw laggy it is on some computers including mine .
it playes for few minutes well above 70 fps then suddenly the leak would start it
drops to under 20 fps just to recover again after it ruins ure day

and finally there is this :

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/re...ry;read-review

quoted :

The Bad :

# Performance stutters during big fights.

comment : its a lot more than just stutters and its not only during big fights the
game is unplayable .

[Force Flow]

Not everyone has the same experience. It depends on the hardware and software you're running.

[id10x]

Originally Posted by Force Flow Not everyone has the same experience. It depends on the hardware and software you're running.

yes i didnt mean it effects everyone . surly these games sold world wide .
i just mean these games are not well coded for pc and caused pc users major headache .

nice sig btw . every part of it is true but its a little hard to achieve these days

[Force Flow]

Borderlands, specifically, was built with a specific set of hardware in mind, which is one of the drawbacks to that particular came, and a source of some of the headaches.

[David M]

Which hardware was Borderlands built around? Its running good on my hardware and OS.

Its always seemed like a crime that you cannot return software that does not work even if it meets the manufacturers minimum specifications. I can't think of any think of anything else that you cannot return if does not work for you. I too have spent hundreds of dollars on software that ends up being worthless to me.

[Force Flow]

Intel stuff and nvidia stuff.

[id10x]

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=293918&page=3

Originally Posted by blinx I installed the game a few days ago after about 10 minutes as soon as I blew down the first building my frames dropped into the 20's after that I quit and havnt touched it since hehe

Originally Posted by ScoobyDooby is it just me, or does anyone notice that when you drive a vehicle the gameplay gets kinda stuttery? .

[QUOTE=idx;3432291]http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/re...ry;read-review

quoted :
The Bad :
# Performance stutters during big fights.

comment : and in other places also not only in big fights .


am idx

[Force Flow]

Why did you link to those pages?

[id10x]

to show more people with different hardware having same issue with these new games .

[Khalil]

I have no problems with any of the games I bought recently. Games are constantly getting more demanding and when you have obsolete hardware this is what happens.
My brother complains how his GTS250 can't cut it with a couple of new games he bought, well it is obsolete. If you want to play the newest games and get best results get the 5000 series ATI cards.

[id10x]

the 9800gtx+ is not obsolete and its well above the recommended requirements for these
games

plus the users complaining in the the above posts like blinx have a Sapphire 4870
and ScoobyDooby have a 4890 and they still have the stutters

i may agree that having the super weapons such as ure pc might make a difference
in bad situations but its not a must in well coded games

all games were tested at low or minimum settings and still would make leaks .
while my normal fps were in borderland was more than 50 fps average on high settings
1680/1050

and in red faction i was going over 80 fps .

when these games sell with mini requirements such as 6800 gt and recommended such
as 8600 i should have no problems running them

look what my card can do in batman arkam asylum





96 fps on 1920x1080 very high , u wanna tell me my card went obsolete over night ?

i will upgread when the upgrade is needed mean while i will play decent games
and to hell with the other buggy coded console games ..

lol i had more than 100 fps on call of duty modern warfare 2 on high settings
period .

[Force Flow]

You have AA disabled in the first one, and Batman's arbitrary benchmark score doesn't mean much.

Yes, you will get higher FPS with AA disabled, which I suspect is the case with the way you configure your other games.

The 9800GTX was launched April 2008. While it can still keep up with most games at medium with AA cranked up to a reasonable level, it's still starting to show its age and has been replaced by more powerful hardware.


Minimum requirements are just that...the bare minimum it takes to run the game at the lowest possible settings. It will run, but it certainly won't look pretty.


As for your second link with the review that claims stuttering issues, the hardware being used was not listed.

FPS is affected by polygon count. So if you're in an area or situation where the polygon count is high (like a large, fancy room and/or with lots of enemies, then you may have some stuttering on a card that can't keep up)

[Khalil]

Your card will do well in many games but in some newer games it is obsolete and that is the same thing I told my brother.

[id10x]

Originally Posted by Force Flow As for your second link with the review that claims stuttering issues, the hardware being used was not listed.

in that same thread linked if you see the avatar of the users in their post it will tell you
there system specs

as for AA i disabled it as a test to reach very high frame rate it was well above 70 fps
with 2x aa enabled .

btw the games i am talking about here have similar or less system requirements as batman
and i was talking about recommended requirement not minimum which i am still
way above ..

khalil am not arguing with what you are saying . i know that when you wanna go
all maxed out on 24 inch screens you need yo have what it takes .

but personally i dont care for things like shadows ,aa ,ambient occlusion ex

the reason i cant run these games on 1680/1050 with all off and medium settings
are the games them self's . my card being obsolete has nothing to do with it .
proof : their recommended sys requirements
maybe these games are not coded well for pc from console .

why do i get over 60 fps in an area which has less graphics than another area were
i go under 20 ? its not logical .

my card is obsolete if i want want to run these games maxed out , and i didnt
buy a card to do that . so its not obsolete for its job which is making these
games playable . i didnt pay 600 $ for a gpu like u to make the compare
i played crisis warhead on my old p4 / xfx 6200 gf 256 mb lol and had
no issues at all . yes it lagged but i got on with it .

u sometimes talk with the mind of the trader that you are khalil not a poor user
getting rammed by in most cases a fake technology ( re branded hardware . messed up drivers , busted games and lazy coders )

its ok i dont blame you . thats is the way ure business work as you always trying to
sell newer hardware and make more profit .

note : the brother of mighty kahlil has a rusty old 250 gts ? what is this world is coming
to ?

[Force Flow]

First, when people game, they usually want all the eye candy with a crisp, clean, smooth image. In other words, would you go out and purchase a large 42" HDTV that was only in black & white? While the HDTV would be usable, it certainly wouldn't be very desirable for most people.

As I said before, their minimum requirements are just that...the bare minimum. The recommended requirements are what would be needed to get a decent experience out of the game. If you had specs set to exactly the recommended requirements, you still wouldn't be able to push everything to the max.

Yes, the 9xxx series cards are somewhat obsolete now. There are newer and more powerful cards on the market now. But, yes, for the most part, it still should be able to handle most older games.

You don't need to spend $600 for a good card these days. $200 tops will get you a card that will scream. Hardware has become more affordable compared to what you get out of it.

I'm not in the business of selling hardware. Most of this is just a hobby for me. Bottom line, if the hardware won't do what you want it to anymore, then it's time to upgrade. Otherwise, keep it running as long as you can until it dies. I don't "upsell", nor does Kahlil. Not to mention, I'm not selling anything directly to you, so there's no financial gain here, and as such, your argument is non-applicable.

As for "fake technology", where are you getting that idea? Just do your research on the parts, brands, and compatibility, and only make purchases from known resellers with good reputations and you won't have any problems.

[Extremerc12]

While the your particular links demonstrate common problems with certain games, not "everyone" is having problems with them. Games are reliant on what hardware you are running (lots of ram, video cards, etc). Software could also affect games if you are running say overclocking utilities and the like. If you want to quote a game that everyone has problems with, looked at Fallout 3 Game of the year (Games for Windows). I for one as well as hundreds of people have issues with the game either not launching or crashing. Some games legitimately have quicks, others just don't game well if you don't put it on a system it is designed for (maybe checking out system specs are in order to avoid "wasting money.").

As Force Flow said, gamers are looking for all the eye popping and the cool things that a game can bring to the table. That is why (and I forget for I read this) hardcore gamers tend to replace their video cards every 6 months. This is due to video card technology becoming essentially obsolete "overnight." You may have spent X amount of money on your 9800, but based on how technology has grown in the last 2 years, it is obsolete. It still games well on medium settings, but there isn't a chance it could hang with the big boys of today. It's more on par with the intermediate cards. If you look at some of the gpu charts, you will see some intermediate cards that will perform better.

I am not trying to say your wrong, but that you are approaching these issues with a one sided approach.

[id10x]

Originally Posted by Extremerc12 It still games well on medium settings, but there isn't a chance it could hang with the big boys of today. .

when did i say i want to do that ? i just said it can still take any well made game u can throw
at it .

force are u calling dragon age an old game ? look what i can do with it :





on 1920X1080 high settings x2 AA as you wanted . fraps showing 50+ fps on upper
left .

and force i am only joking with khalil and i consider u guys my friends never ment that
u are trying to to do the the things u said about me , as for researching and
doing my home work that is exactly what i am doing here so dont be sad if
i made mistakes or say wrong things . last year when i came to this forum i didnt
know anything about hardware and i benefit from talking with guys like u
yes everyone want a villa and a Mercedes and a selling boat but that dosnt mean the others
shall sleep in the street .
i know haw to shell 400 $ on a new fermi card next april lol its not that hard to
figure out and my pc can handle it well . but i dont have them and am not so sad with playing dragon age
with over 60 fps as u see so i dont even need to race with new cards
and i never complained about good games . am just saying in this thread that
newer games dosnt look so well programed , imo its not a statement but
an opinion

Originally Posted by Force Flow . $200 tops will get you a card that will scream. Hardware has become more affordable compared to what you get out of it. .

haw long before u call it obsolete ? i did buy my card back in april for 220$ so were did i
go wrong ?

Originally Posted by Extremerc12 As Force Flow said, gamers are looking for all the eye popping and the cool things that a game can bring to the table. That is why (and I forget for I read this) hardcore gamers tend to replace their video cards every 6 months. This is due to video card technology becoming essentially obsolete "overnight."

yes true in theory and scam in reality . just my opinion

[Khalil]

note : the brother of mighty kahlil has a rusty old 250 gts ? what is this world is coming to ?

LOL, that was a hilarious post idx10, my brother is 35 years old and pays his own bills, he is actually a warrant officer in the United States Navy and can only afford so much.
We have a saying here in America, if you wanna play you gotta pay!!!
You are only going to get so much out of the poorly made 9800GTX, the 9800 cards were horrible when they first came out, never liked them, even the 9800GX2 was a bad card, I built a few machines with those and regretted it for a long time.
Please don't take this personally, I am not attacking you, I am attacking the 9800 series video cards.
Your 9800GTX will make a good folder though, have you considered helping us out with the folding program? You can download it here http://folding.stanford.edu/English/DownloadWinOther

[Force Flow]

Originally Posted by id10x yes true in theory and scam in reality . just my opinion

No scam. Folks who are serious about gaming usually have large monitors and want all the settings cranked up to high, as well as AA and AF turned all the way up (8x and 16x, respectively, with ATI cards last I checked)

I did say earlier that if your current hardware is satisfactory, there's no reason to upgrade. Serious gamers usually want the best of the best to get the highest quality gaming experience, so they consider upgrading video cards every 6-12 months a worthwhile investment.

As for dragon age, are you having issues with it?



All in all, when people stop recommending certain hardware for new machines or for upgrades, it's usually a clue to there being something newer and better available.

[id10x]

well i like gaming and video cards but as anything else in the trading business u find some scamming
and ways to make more money out of rich nobs like me . but i dont mean all of them surly .
just these so called market strategy's . i mean they have the ways and the media for advertising
they scream too high and mighty for a gpu like if god is gonna walk the earth again and
after 6 months they would consider it obsolete but my thread topic here is not hardware
but scam software . bad coders and lazy programmers making games around the hour
and releasing them hopping that patches will save the day for them .
like buy first and ask questions later .
havent had issues with dragon age . ran smoothly as the rate you saw in the screens through
out the game played more demanding games like tom clancy's hawx amd batman ex
on well leveled settings without a single stutter .

just came by those games and was wondering why they sucked so bad .
guys here say cause they are new games . and i dont agree with that i ran similar
demanding games and havent had the gpu sinking down to 10 fps
but then again its just my thoughts . am no were near the ones who is setting rules around here .
if u say this or say that then its that way also for me . am not arguing .

as for me talking about some scam in the middle well u just herd khalil saying :

Originally Posted by Khalil You are only going to get so much out of the poorly made 9800GTX, the 9800 cards were horrible when they first came out, never liked them, even the 9800GX2 was a bad card, I built a few machines with those and regretted it for a long time.

well that is as close as it can get to what i mean i paid 220$ for that card so i didnt really get it
at a give away price .

and its ok i dont regret buying it and i dont mind it not being up to the challenge as long as
its playing the decent games other wise i dont think its the card fault for not running the games
i have linked here ..

and khalil openion dose not anger me . i dont plan to keep it for long time either
just when those dx11 cards start lowering in price might shell another 250$ on a decent one .
i have the ram and good cpu and all ready to go .

am not gonna moan loud for a piece of printed circuit board .
when u see me talking a lot around here . its just the time it takes me to learn .
not to warship my antiquated hardware lol

like for ex when i bought the 9800 the gtx260 was right next to it . and ar that time
i didnt mind paying the extra money but i thought the 9800gtx was better because
it has more core clock and that its a high end card for the 9xxx while i thought
the gtx260 is a low end card for the 200 series . i had no idea what different architecture means

so i guess u can see now haw my level of knowledge is improving and that is more important
for me than pc parts , cause they come and go . but learning can last for ever .

about folding at home . well am not putting any links but i also read at guru3d forums and
they have a section about folding at home and i saw lots of horror stories about that program
u can still see some of the threads there at 1 page if u like .

as u see my hardware is borderline for games and and not good in tuning software that
might take resources without me having control over it .
having enough troubles from re-branded hardware and bad coded games and busted gpu drivers. i find less time now days to play with relaxed mind . while wasting
the rest of the time buying and learning about hardware and software i kinda
like it as a hobby but am 40 yo lazy guy and when the $hit hits the van ill
be the first to jump off . if u get what i mean ..

couldn't caught with the troubles and headaches in my real life, to be able to
handle them for a pc game lol

i can play 24/7 for a month when i get along with a nice game like bf2 or Fallout 3
but when the band would start playing different tunes i would just turn
off everything and watch tv . so far so good . i upgraded the machine is
worth every penny . am in the game . just picking on some scam hehe

[Force Flow]

Some brands are the products of better manufacturing than others. Some manufacturers tend to use junk parts that are likely to fail. Other manufactures tend to use higher quality parts and tend not to fail. This is often where watching manufacturer and product trends helps (or if you don't pay enough attention to that, forums like these with people who do follow hardware trends are more than willing to offer their advice).

Hardware architecture is the physical design of the chip used on hardware components. Certain lines of hardware use different architectures in order to improve on processing power or efficiency.

I have yet to see F@H cause issues, other than an increase of ambient heat because of full utilization of a CPU or GPU. Feel free to browse our own Distributed Computing forum on PCMech

I think glc summed up the rest nicely in your other thread: the end of main stream cards

[Khalil]

idx10 I don't think your hardware is borderline, I think your motherboard and CPU are awesome, the E8500 is still overkill for any game on the market, regardless of i5, i7 or whatever else Intel and AMD want to come out with to keep the market fresh, the Core 2 Duo processors still own.
That CPU is simply great. Everything in your rig is high quality but the 9800 GPU was a loser for Nvidia, in my opinion. Again, I am not trying to make you feel bad but I hope you give us a chance to advise you on the next video card you get. Your rig besides the video card is good for another 2 to 3 years worth of gaming with the right video card.

[id10x]

thanks , and i would give the credit in this build to this forum because i had no idea about hardware
what so ever and this pc was mainly made in this thread :

http://forum.pcmech.com/showthread.php?t=200992

i had little information's back then about hardware and i wanted to stay with nvidia while i
was recommended the 4870 . and i still prefer nvidia because i have more experience
using them . but now i am more open minded i guess .

the gtx260 was really expensive at that time considering me purchase from uk it was
selling at yoyo shop for more than 320$ and the number scared my as i was trying to
stay under 1000 $ plus i didnt understand why its core clock was 500 something while
the 9800 had 750 core clock i thought things should move upward not downward
that what i mean by not understanding that is a different architecture .
that shop is really overpriced but i had no choice i cant find a gtx260 there atm to
show u a link but look at haw much they are selling the gts250 for ex :

http://www.yoyotech.co.uk/item-detai...cts_id=1827493

122 gbp thats close to 200 $ lol i remember when i got my 9800 it was 80$ cheaper at new egg

as for the brands well they had what i needed when it came to the mb and cpu ex mainly because
those brands made by the same manufacturers . i even got unlucky with my corsair ram and
one stick didnt work i had no way to RMA them from here . i mean haw much chance there is
to have a faulty XMS2 DHX ram stick ? less than 3 % ?

but its ok i got lucky for the other parts now the brand of the gpu was totally not my choice
either . at yoyo shop they sell zotac products only when it comes to video cards and
sometimes bfg but usually bfg is out of stock and needs to be pre ordered

didnt lose much with the faulty ram , i gave the working stick to a local shop and he gave me
2 of theses :

http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/conf...=KVR800D2N6/2G

it was a fair deal he just made me pay some extra 30 $ i didnt pay much attention to it .

other than that i have been getting great performance from good quality parts specially
the psu with all the surges we have at my area the pc never restart even if the power
blinked for a sec .

even the 9800 i had very good gaming experience with it for a year now.thats why i am defending it . i posted some good benchmarks in gaming section .

you guys wanna see some muscles ?

resident evil 5 maxed out on 1920/1080 res 2x AA







now if red faction guerrilla dosnt wanna run on that hardware or they want me
to get a freak of a computer with 3000$ to play their silly game that is their own problem not mine ill stick with the good guys . thats all i had to say .

[Khalil]

Red Faction: Guerrilla
Publisher: THQ
Developer: Volition Inc.

Minimum System Requirements
OS: Windows XP/Vista
Processor: Intel Core 2 DUO E4400 (2 GHz)
Memory: 1 GB
Hard Drive: 15 GB Free
Video Memory: 128 MB (ATI Radeon X1300/NVIDIA GeForce 7600) LOL
Sound Card: DirectX Compatible
DirectX: 9.0c
Keyboard and Mouse
DVD Rom Drive

Recommended System Requirements
OS: Windows Vista
Processor: Intel Core 2 DUO E8500 (3.16 GHz)
Memory: 2 GB
Hard Drive: 15 GB Free
Video Memory: ATI Radeon HD 3850/NVIDIA GeForce 8800
Sound Card: DirectX Compatible
DirectX: 10
Keyboard and Mouse
DVD Rom Drive

Your system will do fine with this game however you might miss out on some of the eye candy and effects.

[id10x]

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=293918&page=3

Originally Posted by blinx I installed the game a few days ago after about 10 minutes as soon as I blew down the first building my frames dropped into the 20's after that I quit and havnt touched it since hehe

Originally Posted by ScoobyDooby is it just me, or does anyone notice that when you drive a vehicle the gameplay gets kinda stuttery? .

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/re...ry;read-review

quoted :
The Bad :
# Performance stutters during big fights.

comment : and in other places also not only in big fights .

Originally Posted by JonasBeckman Some of the later stages can be a bit repetetive

quoted :
The Bad : Can get repetitive


i dont think you read up this thread khalil . i bought the game and i have same problems
as these guys .. i am well over 80 fps with medium settings dont care about the
extras but at one point there is these leaks would start to happen and the frame
rate would dive to under 20 fps just to pick up again after it ruin's ure day
i still not installed windows 7 yet . might try it again on dx 10 .

[ryuk999]

What I think Khalil was trying to point out was that under recommended specs, the game would run Ok with some stuttering here and there but nothing too serious, and with the "latest and greatest" in graphics cards (ie: ATI 5870) that you could expect to see really good FPS that wouldn't really dip down.

[id10x]

Originally Posted by ryuk999 What I think Khalil was trying to point out was that under recommended specs, the game would run Ok with some stuttering here and there but nothing too serious, .

Originally Posted by id10x http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/re...ry;read-review quoted : The Bad : # Performance stutters during big fights. comment : its a lot more than just stutters and its not only during big fights the game is unplayable .

what i am trying to say in this thread is , its not just occasional lags here or there , we have this in all games specially when u go online ,am used to that . and am not trying
to over react on some miner bugs in a game the game was unplayable to me and same story with some other users i linked from 3dguru forum . same gose for borderlands ..

Originally Posted by ryuk999 and with the "latest and greatest" in graphics cards (ie: ATI 5870) that you could expect to see really good FPS that wouldn't really dip down.

yes i also said the same :

Originally Posted by id10x i may agree that having the super weapons such as ure pc might make a difference in bad situations

Originally Posted by id10x now if red faction guerrilla dosnt wanna run on that hardware or they want me to get a freak of a computer with 3000$ to play their silly game that is their own problem not mine ill stick with the good guys . thats all i had to say .

[Extremerc12]

As I said in my earlier post, I am not flaming you or anything to that respect. Maybe I am misunderstanding your point, but it seems to me that you are dwelling on the bad instead of the good. Little issues in games are actually big issues. Correct me if I am wrong. As far as my comment regarding your 9800 keeping up with the "big boys", I wasn't implying you said that anywhere in your previous posts. I was merely making a generalized statement.

Issues with online play are so much graphical as they are internet issues. Stutters and shuttering doesn't necessarily mean the game has encountered a bug or graphical errors, but rather a lag in game play due to internet lag. You said you are used to it, so that is no big deal there.

Really comes down to some games are built for Nvidia and some are built for ATI. If you play a game built for Nvidia with an ATI card, occasionally you will get the stuttering and shuttering as you have quoted.

Please don't take my comments as an attack as they are not designed to imply that.

[id10x]

who talked about flaming ? i agree with all u said but the only thing i added
concerning red faction game is that its not few stutters here and there . its unplayable
even the review at game spot included it . look

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/re...ry;read-review



The Bad : Performance stutters during big fights.

thats all the topic of this thread and all the rest is just chatting . were keeping up the ranks around here lol

same gose for borderlands .

[id10x]

just plain and simple . no comment needed . all maxed out . never goes below
60 fps no matter were u go . as fraps shows at bottom left .