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stlhdh2o · 12-29-2001, 02:59 PM

I have recently added both a videocard (Diamond Viper somthingorother) and a 20 inch LCD monitor to my system. When I try to run gaming applications the system hangs up. Should I suspect that my monitor doesn't support these games for some reason??

RJ · 12-29-2001, 03:09 PM

Nope, the monitor has nothing to do with system stability, nor has it to support games.

The problem is your graphics card I believe. Try installing the newest drivers for your card, also update DirectX.
Also check the monitor settings if the games let you change it. It should be 60Hz, not higher. Definitely not higher than 75 Hz as no TFT supports that.

RJ

stlhdh2o · 12-29-2001, 03:31 PM

I have installed the latest drivers available from the manufacturer. If by updating DirectX you mean installing its latest version I have also done that.

RJ · 12-29-2001, 03:35 PM

Hmm. Ok, now please post your system specs (brand of mainboard etc. .. )
Also helpful would be the exact graphics card model, at least if it's AGP or PCI and if your card is AGP then is anything in PCI1 ?
If so, remove the card from PCI1.

If you have a mainboard with a VIA chipset, try updating these also.
And yes, by updating DirectX I meant installing the newest version (DX8.1).

RJ

stlhdh2o · 12-29-2001, 03:56 PM

I kew that was coming...

HP Pavilion 4540 433Mhz Celeron (Not sure how to figure out what chipset)

ViperII Z200 AGP

The BSOD message I get is Fatal exception at: 0028:C171F5D3 in VXD AU30WAVE(01) + 00D145A3...

stlhdh2o · 12-29-2001, 04:02 PM

PCI1?? Do you mean another video card or any card??

Gabe · 12-29-2001, 04:37 PM

He means if you have any card in the PCI1 slot or closest to the AGP slot.

stlhdh2o · 12-29-2001, 04:55 PM

I believe I have sound card in PCI1, should I move it and if so could you explain to me why??

RJ · 12-29-2001, 05:45 PM

Yep. PCI1 shares the ICQ with AGP, and that often causes problems.

Move your sound card away from PCI1 and try again.
Leave the PCI1 slot empty if possible since there is an AGP card installed.

RJ

stlhdh2o · 12-29-2001, 06:14 PM

This is fun...

I removed a 3 port USB card I had also installed from PCI1. My cable modem now works without having to reset it after boot (Thanks!). How can I be sure which PCI slot is which?

BTW still getting a BSOD when I try to run games ...

Xayd · 12-29-2001, 07:10 PM

1 is the one at the top, then down from there (looking at the computer right side up if a tower).

The crash you're getting is referencing the sound driver, so that's where you should look first. Check IRQ assignments on everything (from properties on "computer" in control panel/system/device manager/) and see if sound/video are sharing still.

stlhdh2o · 12-29-2001, 07:29 PM

I am not seeing any conflicts...None of my sound drivers share the same IRQ as the video driver

stlhdh2o · 12-29-2001, 07:52 PM

What I meant to say is that the devices don't appear to be conlicting in terms of their IRQ's...Can't I look at a list of all devices and their IRQ's somewhere?? I seem to remember having to look at IRQ's before...

fatboyjim · 12-30-2001, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RJ
Yep. PCI1 shares the ICQ with AGP, and that often causes problems.

*IRQ

You can find them out in System Information Viewer in Win98 etc
I am yet to try to find them in Win2K

Which OS are you running?

stlhdh2o · 12-31-2001, 01:41 AM

Cool...do you know the path??

WIN 98 OS

Any ideas on my BSOD issues?

AlwaysUp · 01-01-2002, 05:01 AM

When do you recall the BSOD's starting to happen? Was it right after a hardware install?
Also right click MY Computer, select Properties>Device Manager, then make sure the "View devices by type" radio button is selected and double click Computer. This will display your IRQ assignments and I'm sure a few other methods to get to the same info are out there, but this is the method I prefer.

stlhdh2o · 01-01-2002, 02:10 PM

I have the following things sharing the same IRQ when I looked at them in list view as suggested: 3: Monstersound multifunction parent, Monstersound PCI Audio, and ACPI IRQ holder for PCI IRQ steering

10: Diamond Viper 2 Z200, ACPI IRQ holder for PCI IRQ Steering

11, 14, 15 also show ACPI IRQ holder for PCI IRQ Steering as sharing the same IRQ.

With everything I have heard so far I am suspecting that, since my video card is AGP I need to disable the PCI steering for that IRQ...

What is ACPI IRQ holder for PCI IRQ Steering??

AlwaysUp · 01-01-2002, 05:23 PM

(Advanced Configuration and Power Interface) A power management specification developed by Intel, Toshiba and Microsoft that makes hardware status information available to the operating system. ACPI enables a PC to turn its peripherals on and off for improved power management especially in portables. It also allows the PC to be turned on and off by external devices, so that the touch of a mouse or the press of a key will "wake up" the machine.

fatboyjim · 01-01-2002, 05:27 PM

Sounds almost word perfect

Copied from... ?

stlhdh2o · 01-01-2002, 05:33 PM

Thanks guys...the question I am asking then is does the fact this shares the same IRQ as my video card relate in some way to my BSOD problem. If not, then what else can I do to track down the problem.

AlwaysUp · 01-02-2002, 08:31 AM

fatboyjim, copied from Computer Destop Encyclopedia Version 14.3 that was included in courseware from my A+ and Microsoft MCSE study.

fatboyjim · 01-02-2002, 04:13 PM

lol ok mate

Are those MCSE books any good? Must remind myself to buy a copy of those

AlwaysUp · 01-02-2002, 05:02 PM

Actually, courseware is almost all cbt (computer based training) and I participate in online study. There is allot of topics covered in chatroom-type environment with peers, daily review questions through e-mail. I have an assigned mentor...blah blah blah...very fast paced. It is all I can do sometimes to work, browse here, and keep up the study pace.

fatboyjim · 01-02-2002, 05:32 PM

Well good luck with the course, I might just try one... one day

Jenni · 01-02-2002, 05:50 PM

No offense, but the Savage video cards are junk. I bought one (because it was cheap, and got good reviews online), and after several hours of trying to get Unreal Tournament to run, I called the place I bought it, and sent it back that same day.

stlhdh2o · 01-02-2002, 06:02 PM

Are you guys making fun of me??

I don't have a Savage card, I have a DiamondViper ZII? Are these one and the same??

Jenni · 01-02-2002, 06:05 PM

Sorry, was not my intention to seem like I was making fun of you. Diamond Viper II cards are based on the Savage2000 chipset.

The tech support guy I talked to where I bought my card told me this: "the card is great, as long as you run DirectX 6 and Win98. It does not support anything other than that."

I had a hard time making it work with any games. I bought it basically just to play UT on, and it wouldn't even run it.

stlhdh2o · 01-02-2002, 06:09 PM

I see..So should I install and run Directx 6 or look at new video cards. I am running the latest version of DirectX.

The question about being made fun of was directed at the two guys above...

mike breck · 01-02-2002, 06:19 PM

Hi stlhdh2o,

You don't need ACPI. It was designed to save battery power in Laptops and has spread into Desktop PCs. Many people in the know, including glc on these forums, think it more trouble than it's worth.

Go into your Bios and see if there is an option to disable ACPI. If there is, disable it.
Also see if there is an option called "Plug and Play OS". If there is, set it to "No".
If you are not using the two serial (otherwise known as COMM) ports for a mouse and/or modem, then disable them. That will free two IRQs.
Save your changes and exit the bios. When Windows starts, it will redetect some devices. Let it do it's thing.
Your IRQs will now be allocated by the Bios instead of ACPI or Windows. A much better arrangement.

See if that helps.

BTW After this you will see "IRQ Holder for PCI steering" sharing IRQs with your devices. This is perfectly normal and, as far as I'm aware, does not cause an IRQ conflict with the device.

Re: DirectX 6

Just leave your current version of DX on. As Jenni says, if that's the only way to solve your problem, then it's time to get a different card. But lets try a few things like the above first.

Got to hit the sack but will be back tomorrow.

HTH

12-29-2001, 02:59 PM	#1
stlhdh2o Member (5 bit) Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 25	Games will not run I have recently added both a videocard (Diamond Viper somthingorother) and a 20 inch LCD monitor to my system. When I try to run gaming applications the system hangs up. Should I suspect that my monitor doesn't support these games for some reason?? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-29-2001, 03:09 PM	#2
RJ Member (14 bit) Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Offenbach/Main (Germany) Posts: 8,485	Nope, the monitor has nothing to do with system stability, nor has it to support games. The problem is your graphics card I believe. Try installing the newest drivers for your card, also update DirectX. Also check the monitor settings if the games let you change it. It should be 60Hz, not higher. Definitely not higher than 75 Hz as no TFT supports that. RJ Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ All's right with the world when your PC is working right.

12-29-2001, 03:31 PM	#3
stlhdh2o Member (5 bit) Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 25	I have installed the latest drivers available from the manufacturer. If by updating DirectX you mean installing its latest version I have also done that. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-29-2001, 03:35 PM	#4
RJ Member (14 bit) Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Offenbach/Main (Germany) Posts: 8,485	Hmm. Ok, now please post your system specs (brand of mainboard etc. .. ) Also helpful would be the exact graphics card model, at least if it's AGP or PCI and if your card is AGP then is anything in PCI1 ? If so, remove the card from PCI1. If you have a mainboard with a VIA chipset, try updating these also. And yes, by updating DirectX I meant installing the newest version (DX8.1). RJ Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-29-2001, 03:56 PM	#5
stlhdh2o Member (5 bit) Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 25	I kew that was coming... HP Pavilion 4540 433Mhz Celeron (Not sure how to figure out what chipset) ViperII Z200 AGP The BSOD message I get is Fatal exception at: 0028:C171F5D3 in VXD AU30WAVE(01) + 00D145A3... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

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12-29-2001, 04:02 PM	#6
stlhdh2o Member (5 bit) Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 25	PCI1?? Do you mean another video card or any card?? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-29-2001, 04:37 PM	#7
Gabe Member (7 bit) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: MB, Canada Posts: 116	He means if you have any card in the PCI1 slot or closest to the AGP slot. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-29-2001, 04:55 PM	#8
stlhdh2o Member (5 bit) Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 25	I believe I have sound card in PCI1, should I move it and if so could you explain to me why?? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-29-2001, 05:45 PM	#9
RJ Member (14 bit) Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Offenbach/Main (Germany) Posts: 8,485	Yep. PCI1 shares the ICQ with AGP, and that often causes problems. Move your sound card away from PCI1 and try again. Leave the PCI1 slot empty if possible since there is an AGP card installed. RJ Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-29-2001, 06:14 PM	#10
stlhdh2o Member (5 bit) Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 25	This is fun... I removed a 3 port USB card I had also installed from PCI1. My cable modem now works without having to reset it after boot (Thanks!). How can I be sure which PCI slot is which? BTW still getting a BSOD when I try to run games ... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-29-2001, 07:10 PM	#11
Xayd Member (13 bit) Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: nowhere.com Posts: 4,819	1 is the one at the top, then down from there (looking at the computer right side up if a tower). The crash you're getting is referencing the sound driver, so that's where you should look first. Check IRQ assignments on everything (from properties on "computer" in control panel/system/device manager/) and see if sound/video are sharing still. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-29-2001, 07:29 PM	#12
stlhdh2o Member (5 bit) Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 25	I am not seeing any conflicts...None of my sound drivers share the same IRQ as the video driver Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-29-2001, 07:52 PM	#13
stlhdh2o Member (5 bit) Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 25	What I meant to say is that the devices don't appear to be conlicting in terms of their IRQ's...Can't I look at a list of all devices and their IRQ's somewhere?? I seem to remember having to look at IRQ's before... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-31-2001, 01:41 AM	#15
stlhdh2o Member (5 bit) Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 25	Cool...do you know the path?? WIN 98 OS Any ideas on my BSOD issues? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

01-01-2002, 05:01 AM	#16
AlwaysUp Member (11 bit) Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Sherman, Texas Posts: 1,778	When do you recall the BSOD's starting to happen? Was it right after a hardware install? Also right click MY Computer, select Properties>Device Manager, then make sure the "View devices by type" radio button is selected and double click Computer. This will display your IRQ assignments and I'm sure a few other methods to get to the same info are out there, but this is the method I prefer. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ Intel P4 2.4Ghz cpu, Intel D850MVSE mobo, ATI Radeon All-in-Wonder 8500 @275Mhz video, WD800JB 80Gb hdd, 1024Mb PC800 RDRAM, Sony DVD/CD-Rom, Sony CD-R/CD-RW, 330W Antec psu, Windows XP Pro-completed Jan. 2004

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01-01-2002, 02:10 PM	#17
stlhdh2o Member (5 bit) Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 25	I have the following things sharing the same IRQ when I looked at them in list view as suggested: 3: Monstersound multifunction parent, Monstersound PCI Audio, and ACPI IRQ holder for PCI IRQ steering 10: Diamond Viper 2 Z200, ACPI IRQ holder for PCI IRQ Steering 11, 14, 15 also show ACPI IRQ holder for PCI IRQ Steering as sharing the same IRQ. With everything I have heard so far I am suspecting that, since my video card is AGP I need to disable the PCI steering for that IRQ... What is ACPI IRQ holder for PCI IRQ Steering?? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

01-01-2002, 05:23 PM	#18
AlwaysUp Member (11 bit) Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Sherman, Texas Posts: 1,778	(Advanced Configuration and Power Interface) A power management specification developed by Intel, Toshiba and Microsoft that makes hardware status information available to the operating system. ACPI enables a PC to turn its peripherals on and off for improved power management especially in portables. It also allows the PC to be turned on and off by external devices, so that the touch of a mouse or the press of a key will "wake up" the machine. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

01-01-2002, 05:27 PM	#19
fatboyjim Member (12 bit) Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: UK Posts: 2,469	Sounds almost word perfect Copied from... ? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

01-01-2002, 05:33 PM	#20
stlhdh2o Member (5 bit) Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 25	Thanks guys...the question I am asking then is does the fact this shares the same IRQ as my video card relate in some way to my BSOD problem. If not, then what else can I do to track down the problem. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

01-02-2002, 08:31 AM	#21
AlwaysUp Member (11 bit) Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Sherman, Texas Posts: 1,778	fatboyjim, copied from Computer Destop Encyclopedia Version 14.3 that was included in courseware from my A+ and Microsoft MCSE study. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

01-02-2002, 04:13 PM	#22
fatboyjim Member (12 bit) Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: UK Posts: 2,469	lol ok mate Are those MCSE books any good? Must remind myself to buy a copy of those Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

01-02-2002, 05:02 PM	#23
AlwaysUp Member (11 bit) Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Sherman, Texas Posts: 1,778	Actually, courseware is almost all cbt (computer based training) and I participate in online study. There is allot of topics covered in chatroom-type environment with peers, daily review questions through e-mail. I have an assigned mentor...blah blah blah...very fast paced. It is all I can do sometimes to work, browse here, and keep up the study pace. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

01-02-2002, 05:32 PM	#24
fatboyjim Member (12 bit) Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: UK Posts: 2,469	Well good luck with the course, I might just try one... one day Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

01-02-2002, 05:50 PM	#25
Jenni PC Tinkerer Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: Long Beach, Mississippi Posts: 2,090	No offense, but the Savage video cards are junk. I bought one (because it was cheap, and got good reviews online), and after several hours of trying to get Unreal Tournament to run, I called the place I bought it, and sent it back that same day. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

01-02-2002, 06:02 PM	#26
stlhdh2o Member (5 bit) Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 25	Are you guys making fun of me?? I don't have a Savage card, I have a DiamondViper ZII? Are these one and the same?? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

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01-02-2002, 06:05 PM	#27
Jenni PC Tinkerer Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: Long Beach, Mississippi Posts: 2,090	Sorry, was not my intention to seem like I was making fun of you. Diamond Viper II cards are based on the Savage2000 chipset. The tech support guy I talked to where I bought my card told me this: "the card is great, as long as you run DirectX 6 and Win98. It does not support anything other than that." I had a hard time making it work with any games. I bought it basically just to play UT on, and it wouldn't even run it. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

01-02-2002, 06:09 PM	#28
stlhdh2o Member (5 bit) Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 25	I see..So should I install and run Directx 6 or look at new video cards. I am running the latest version of DirectX. The question about being made fun of was directed at the two guys above... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

01-02-2002, 06:19 PM	#29
mike breck Member (13 bit) Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Scotland Posts: 4,700	Hi stlhdh2o, You don't need ACPI. It was designed to save battery power in Laptops and has spread into Desktop PCs. Many people in the know, including glc on these forums, think it more trouble than it's worth. Go into your Bios and see if there is an option to disable ACPI. If there is, disable it. Also see if there is an option called "Plug and Play OS". If there is, set it to "No". If you are not using the two serial (otherwise known as COMM) ports for a mouse and/or modem, then disable them. That will free two IRQs. Save your changes and exit the bios. When Windows starts, it will redetect some devices. Let it do it's thing. Your IRQs will now be allocated by the Bios instead of ACPI or Windows. A much better arrangement. See if that helps. BTW After this you will see "IRQ Holder for PCI steering" sharing IRQs with your devices. This is perfectly normal and, as far as I'm aware, does not cause an IRQ conflict with the device. Re: DirectX 6 Just leave your current version of DX on. As Jenni says, if that's the only way to solve your problem, then it's time to get a different card. But lets try a few things like the above first. Got to hit the sack but will be back tomorrow. HTH Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter Last edited by mike breck; 01-02-2002 at 06:32 PM.