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11-06-2002, 10:30 AM
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ATI raderon 9700 & WIN98 SE
Can I run an ATI Radeon 9700 pro using win98 se o/s?
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11-06-2002, 12:00 PM
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Nope.
Operating Systems Support Windows® XP Windows® 2000 Windows® Me http://mirror.ati.com/products/pc/ra...pro/specs.html |
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11-10-2002, 08:55 PM
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If it works for Millenium, shouldn't it run for 98 SE? Thier both almost the same.
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11-10-2002, 11:00 PM
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Nope.
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11-11-2002, 01:57 AM
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if you go on ati's website they offer a unified driver that works with the 9700 for win 98....
i might be wrong.....but it seems like a driver for the 9700/win 98 they call it a "catalyst driver" Last edited by mrjohnsonjr; 11-11-2002 at 02:04 AM. |
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11-11-2002, 07:48 AM
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Yeah there should be some support for Windows 98, the OS is still very popular for gamers.
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11-11-2002, 08:49 AM
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The only reason ATI does not mention windows 98/se as a supported operating system is that the nice people at Microsoft as of July 1, 2002 no longer certify drivers for Windows 98/se and thus the are no "official" drivers for Windows 98/se.
The drivers for windows ME will work just fine with Windows 98/se. They are just not "official. |
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11-11-2002, 10:04 AM
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That way everyone will run out and buy Windows XP......
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11-11-2002, 10:23 AM
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Yes, pimpmaster that is exactly the idea. They really have such a nice product support policy at Microsoft.
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11-11-2002, 11:22 AM
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XP is better, and it's not like it's more expensive then 98SE.
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11-11-2002, 11:28 AM
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That is not the point, Alienware_Dude. The point is that Microsoft stops supporting an older product to make people buy their new product.
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11-11-2002, 11:31 AM
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Who pays attention to the WHQL Driver Certification anyway?
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11-11-2002, 11:34 AM
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Sadly, a lot of people who do not know better.
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11-11-2002, 04:17 PM
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I don't run Windows 98 SE, but it's not fair that Microsoft doesn't want 98 users to run the Raedon 9700. Just because Microsoft says the XP is "The best Operating System ever made" doesn't mean that other people agree with that. Infact, most PC gamers would rather use 98 SE over XP.
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11-11-2002, 09:09 PM
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Has anyone here actually TRIED to install a 9700 in 98? The official requirements for the 8500DV are the same - no 98 support, but all the other 8500's are supported.
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11-12-2002, 01:25 AM
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No, I have not tried it personally but if ATI say it works then I guess it works.
http://www.ati.com/support/products/...98drivers.html |
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11-12-2002, 06:42 PM
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Good deal. Thanks for finding that.
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11-13-2002, 01:35 AM
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What really annoys me is that the average Harry homeowner, when buying a ATI 9700, will look at the back of the box and see that his OS, Windows 98, supposedly is not supported. He will then ask the nice salesperson of some large computer store chain , if he can use it with Windows 98. He will tell him that he can not and that he needs to buy Windows XP, which is so much better. What a rip-off.
Last edited by jackjones; 11-13-2002 at 09:37 AM. |
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11-13-2002, 11:12 AM
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AH well.I only read the first reply.A few days to the next post.So i went out and bought WIN XP with a view to buy the above mentioned card.Read the instructions ,installed it .Think it looks good and works well.Downloaded WIN XP driver for my GeForce3 Ti 500.Massive visual improvement with new drivers.Might now not change card after all.Instead I shall wait 12 months for next generation of graphics card.More than happy with existing card and XP.
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11-13-2002, 12:46 PM
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He will tell him that he can not and that he needs to buy Windows XP, which is so much better. What a rip-off. Mr Gates= 1 sale of XP ATI 9700= 0 sale for at least a year All because the operating system was not suported? |
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11-13-2002, 02:12 PM
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What do you mean, dogdirt?
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11-13-2002, 02:34 PM
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I dont know what he means either .But I think I have saved money for now.But wil spend it later on a newer card.Dont forget WIN98 is almost 5 years old, along time in PC years.Remember 98 was expensive,unless you had an illegal copy of it.Which probably alot of people have.WIN XP would probably be a quarter of the price if everyone had had true WIN98 disc.Im not saying microsoft is the be all and end all,just that updating to XP improved the performance of my graphics card and to me seems a better operating system. My games and online games are better. (THIS ONLY MY OPINION FOR MY PC.)
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11-13-2002, 03:24 PM
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I have no problem with Windows XP. It is a very stable and fine OS. I only think that it is unfair not to support an OS, which a lot of people still are using.
As for XP being a better gaming OS the Windows 98 I would have to disagree. Firstly, XP uses more ram the windows 98 and secondly, most games actually run better under windows 98 ( higher frame rate on tests, higher 3dmark score) then they do under windows XP. Maybe your performance increase comes from the fact the you probably installed a newer driver when you switched to XP. Furthermore, if everyone had paid for their copy of windows 98, as they should, that would not have made Windows XP any cheaper what so ever. The price is solely based on what the consumers are willing to pay and nothing more. Best Wishes Jack Last edited by jackjones; 11-13-2002 at 03:28 PM. |
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11-13-2002, 04:38 PM
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They are not willing to pay this ,so how can that be?
The new driver was an xp driver.the old driver was an up to date 98 driver. XP also manages more memory better than 98 .If with 98 you have more than 512MB it cannot cope.No I did not install more memory,kept the same. Would like to know if anyone else has updated to XP and found an improvement with their graphics card? |
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11-14-2002, 03:58 AM
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"They are not willing to pay this ,so how can that be?"
What people say they are not willing to pay and what the do pay in the end are two entirely different things. Did you compare 3dmark scores and frame rates from before and after you installed XP? "XP also manages more memory better than 98 .If with 98 you have more than 512MB it cannot cope. No I did not install more memory,kept the same. " Firstly, did you ever wonder why you only need 128 MB to run Windows 98 smoothly and 256MB to run XP smoothly? The OS simply consumes more ram. Secondly, It is right that windows 98 can not handle more the 512 MB out of the box but that can be fixed. Furthermore, why would you want to have more then 512 MB if it is not a server or you are doing some kind of video editing. You do not need more form games that is for sure. Best Wishes Jack |
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12-04-2002, 09:42 PM
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Mr Gates= 1 sale of XP
ATI 9700= 0 sale for at least a year All because the operating system was not suported? bertoro originally was going to buy a ati video card. The money from his purchase would go to ati. since the box said Windows XP only, he went out and purchased Windows XP instead. Now, your money is going to Microsoft. I don't have a problem with that but I find it a little ironic that ati would not make its video cards to work on more operating systems than just the newest. If the ATI Radeon 9700 video card would have been compatible with Windows 98 second edition it sounded to me that you would have bought that card. Sorry, I hope this clears things up. |
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12-05-2002, 06:22 AM
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This brings forth a very interesting question: Are hardware companies allowed to state that their products are supported by Windows 98/SE if Microsoft has not certified the drivers?
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12-05-2002, 08:12 AM
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"Support" and "compatibility" are 2 different animals.
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12-05-2002, 11:08 AM
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You can't blame microsoft for doing what they did with dropping official or whatever they did on July 1. They're doing what every other business strives for.
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12-05-2002, 11:30 AM
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glc, you are absolutely correct in pointing out that there is a huge difference between “support” and “compatibility”. In this case I would assume that what ATI means with the below mentioned is that they have made drivers for the below mentioned operating systems:
“Operating system support § Windows® XP § Windows® 2000 § Windows® Me ” What I am interested in, however, is if there are any legal reasons why ATI does not mention Windows 98/Se as being as supported operating system on the page :http://mirror.ati.com/products/pc/ra...ro/specs.html. Since the driver for Windows Me works just as well for Windows 98/Se? Hence the question: Does Microsoft have to certify a driver before a hardware vendor is allowed to mention their device as supporting one of their operating systems? |
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