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Xion · 11-30-2002, 07:36 PM

I have a 750 mHz AMD duron computer. I was wondering what kind of video card would go with it well?

Right now it has 128 ram, is it possible to add another 512 mb ram?

***glc*** · 11-30-2002, 07:40 PM

What is the motherboard brand and model?

Xion · 11-30-2002, 07:53 PM

Its an MSI motherboard. Forgot the model.

Tiretool · 11-30-2002, 08:07 PM

That won't do. You'll have to at least try to find the model to get help with your question. Look on the motherboard next to the last PCI slot. Many MSI mainboards have the model number printed there.

Xion · 11-30-2002, 08:57 PM

It's a MSI K7T Pro MS-6330 VIA KT133 motherboard or W6330MS.

morriswindgate · 11-30-2002, 10:54 PM

That board will support up to 1.5 gigs of PC133 SDRAM (A 512MB Stick of six layer RAM is less that 40 bucks)
THe board will support upto an XP2000 CPU with the BIOS Update.
The borad will support the latest video cards, although you will need the Newest BIOS update.

Xion · 12-01-2002, 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by morriswindgate
That board will support up to 1.5 gigs of PC133 SDRAM (A 512MB Stick of six layer RAM is less that 40 bucks)
THe board will support upto an XP2000 CPU with the BIOS Update.
The borad will support the latest video cards, although you will need the Newest BIOS update.

Whoa. Didn't know that. Only PC133 ram? It can't be DDR or something? 512 mb ram in canada is like $200.

Where can I update the bios? Thanks.

***glc*** · 12-01-2002, 11:12 AM

www.msicomputer.com for bios updates.

DDR won't fit. From www.ncix.com/canada :

INFINEON512SD32X8
INFINEON PC133 512MB SDRAM 168PIN OEM CAS3
Yes
$89

Xion · 12-01-2002, 12:04 PM

What video card would you prefer for a 750 mhz computer for gaming?

DrZaius · 12-01-2002, 12:16 PM

Hi Xion,

I would upgrade the processor first, an Athlon XP 1600+ is only $49 here in the US. A good gaming card then would be the Radeon 8500LE or a GeForce4 Ti4200.

Xion · 12-01-2002, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DrZaius
Hi Xion,

I would upgrade the processor first, an Athlon XP 1600+ is only $49 here in the US. A good gaming card then would be the Radeon 8500LE or a GeForce4 Ti4200.

Cool. Now I'm thinking of adding a new motherboard, processor, ram, and video card. It would probably add up to $600 CDN. Would you suggust buying a new computer instead?

DrZaius · 12-01-2002, 12:26 PM

It depends, you can do some decent gaming with your current motherboard, 128MB more RAM, an Athlon XP, and a new video card and it should last you for a while longer. If you're looking to play all the newest games though (Doom 3, etc.), you should go for a new motherboard with DDR support.

Xion · 12-01-2002, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DrZaius
It depends, you can do some decent gaming with your current motherboard, 128MB more RAM, an Athlon XP, and a new video card and it should last you for a while longer. If you're looking to play all the newest games though (Doom 3, etc.), you should go for a new motherboard with DDR support.

Great. Thanks. What is the best motherboard currently from MSI that would support future addons?

DrZaius · 12-01-2002, 12:40 PM

The MSI KT4 Ultra is their newest board, supports 333MHz FSB, DDR400, and USB 2.0.

Xion · 12-01-2002, 01:09 PM

Thanks. Kind of stupid question but does graphics really make a difference? Right now I have a nvidia tnt2 32 mb video card but was wondering if the radeon 8500 le would make a big difference in terms of quality and smoothness?

Evil-Lab-Monkey · 12-01-2002, 01:58 PM

Yes, it would make a huge difference and, imo, it will improve your game playing experience quite a bit. I love my games even more w/ my GF4.

Xion · 12-04-2002, 06:01 PM

Is ati radeon 8500 128 mb DDR compatiable with my motherboard?

***glc*** · 12-05-2002, 08:18 AM

Yes, but a GF4 Ti is a better gaming card.

Xion · 12-05-2002, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by glc
Yes, but a GF4 Ti is a better gaming card.

Specific name you would recommend? GF4 is pricy isn't it? Thanks.

**Alaron** · 12-05-2002, 06:05 PM

Geforce 4 Tis arent nearly as pricy as they used to be. The best bang for the buck is definetly the Geforce 4 Ti4200. I recommend Gainward. They have the best overclocking abilities, even though Geforce 4s are plenty fast. Other great brands are MSI, Asus, Leadtek, Evga. Heres a link to Gainwards at Newegg.

The "GAINWARD/CARDEXPERT GeForce 4 Ti 4200, 4ns, 128MB DDR, Power Pack Golden Sample" on this page is only $165 with free shipping. http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...tby=14&order=1

***glc*** · 12-05-2002, 09:01 PM

I think you can get 64mb models for as low as $117 - or even lower if you catch them on sale.

TimPoet · 12-05-2002, 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Xion
...does graphics really make a difference? Right now I have a nvidia tnt2 32 mb video card but was wondering if the radeon 8500 le would make a big difference in terms of quality and smoothness?

Oh, yeah baby! You go from a TNT 2 to a 8500 or GF4 4200 and you'll be smOk'n!!!!
Kinda like the difference between riding a trike and a crotch rocket.
See this graph to comprehend the contrast

Xion · 12-06-2002, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TimPoet
Oh, yeah baby! You go from a TNT 2 to a 8500 or GF4 4200 and you'll be smOk'n!!!!
Kinda like the difference between riding a trike and a crotch rocket.
See this graph to comprehend the contrast

Wow. That's a lot of frames. Will the graphics be like smooth or something? Something like graphics of PS2?

Does anyone have a screenshot of a game that can compare poor framerates to good ones? Thanks.

TimPoet · 12-06-2002, 08:07 PM

not sure what you mean by "graphics" but yes the action will be smoother.
having that quantum leap in the number of frames per second that the new vid card gives will largely stop the jerky motion when there is fast movement in the game or when there is a lot of visual detail in a game.
Easier to blow the enemy's head off from 200 yards that way.... And see all the gory details thru your scope.

Re: Screenshot
Screenshot won't be able to portray framerate improvement, since framerate pertains to motion.

Xion · 12-07-2002, 04:44 PM

Is gainward the best brand for geforce4? I checked my local store and it cost 300 for the ti4200 128 mb. Is that a high price or cheap?

What about other brands such as ABIT and ASUS? Thanks.

TimPoet · 12-07-2002, 05:50 PM

Gainward is one of the better makers for the nVidia Titaniums, but WOW, that is too much for the Gainward G4 4200 Ti!
Newegg has it's high end model, the Golden Sample for $165.00

***glc*** · 12-07-2002, 05:53 PM

Go to www.ncix.com and serach for ti4200 - there are about 22 hits, that's all Canadian $$$. Any of those will make that TNT2 look like crap.

Xion · 12-07-2002, 07:33 PM

This a good buy? http://www.ncix.com/canada/productdetail.php?sku=8155

TimPoet · 12-07-2002, 08:08 PM

Hmmm, it looks like one, in USD that'd be $183.34. That sounds reasonable to me as long as shipping isn't too high (total is only $18 USD more than Newegg's price).

Xion · 12-08-2002, 08:26 AM

How many volts do you need?

11-30-2002, 07:36 PM	#1
Xion Member (9 bit) Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 282	Old computer that needs some upgrading. I have a 750 mHz AMD duron computer. I was wondering what kind of video card would go with it well? Right now it has 128 ram, is it possible to add another 512 mb ram? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

11-30-2002, 07:40 PM	#2
*glc* Forum Administrator Staff Premium Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Joplin MO Posts: 37,773	What is the motherboard brand and model? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

11-30-2002, 07:53 PM	#3
Xion Member (9 bit) Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 282	Its an MSI motherboard. Forgot the model. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

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Tiretool Member (12 bit) Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: Shreveport, LA Posts: 2,119	That won't do. You'll have to at least try to find the model to get help with your question. Look on the motherboard next to the last PCI slot. Many MSI mainboards have the model number printed there. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ To err is human, but to really foul things up requires a computer. patrbarnes@gmail.com

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11-30-2002, 10:54 PM	#6
morriswindgate Banned Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Bakersfield,CA Posts: 7,761	That board will support up to 1.5 gigs of PC133 SDRAM (A 512MB Stick of six layer RAM is less that 40 bucks) THe board will support upto an XP2000 CPU with the BIOS Update. The borad will support the latest video cards, although you will need the Newest BIOS update. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-01-2002, 11:12 AM	#8
*glc* Forum Administrator Staff Premium Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Joplin MO Posts: 37,773	www.msicomputer.com for bios updates. DDR won't fit. From www.ncix.com/canada : INFINEON512SD32X8 INFINEON PC133 512MB SDRAM 168PIN OEM CAS3 Yes $89 Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-01-2002, 12:04 PM	#9
Xion Member (9 bit) Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 282	What video card would you prefer for a 750 mhz computer for gaming? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-01-2002, 12:16 PM	#10
DrZaius Member (13 bit) Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Fullerton, CA Posts: 7,030	Hi Xion, I would upgrade the processor first, an Athlon XP 1600+ is only $49 here in the US. A good gaming card then would be the Radeon 8500LE or a GeForce4 Ti4200. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-01-2002, 12:26 PM	#12
DrZaius Member (13 bit) Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Fullerton, CA Posts: 7,030	It depends, you can do some decent gaming with your current motherboard, 128MB more RAM, an Athlon XP, and a new video card and it should last you for a while longer. If you're looking to play all the newest games though (Doom 3, etc.), you should go for a new motherboard with DDR support. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-01-2002, 12:40 PM	#14
DrZaius Member (13 bit) Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Fullerton, CA Posts: 7,030	The MSI KT4 Ultra is their newest board, supports 333MHz FSB, DDR400, and USB 2.0. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-01-2002, 01:09 PM	#15
Xion Member (9 bit) Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 282	Thanks. Kind of stupid question but does graphics really make a difference? Right now I have a nvidia tnt2 32 mb video card but was wondering if the radeon 8500 le would make a big difference in terms of quality and smoothness? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-01-2002, 01:58 PM	#16
Evil-Lab-Monkey Member (9 bit) Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 296	Yes, it would make a huge difference and, imo, it will improve your game playing experience quite a bit. I love my games even more w/ my GF4. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-04-2002, 06:01 PM	#17
Xion Member (9 bit) Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 282	Is ati radeon 8500 128 mb DDR compatiable with my motherboard? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-05-2002, 08:18 AM	#18
*glc* Forum Administrator Staff Premium Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Joplin MO Posts: 37,773	Yes, but a GF4 Ti is a better gaming card. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-05-2002, 06:05 PM	#20
Alaron Kickin' it Staff Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: USA Posts: 7,723	Geforce 4 Tis arent nearly as pricy as they used to be. The best bang for the buck is definetly the Geforce 4 Ti4200. I recommend Gainward. They have the best overclocking abilities, even though Geforce 4s are plenty fast. Other great brands are MSI, Asus, Leadtek, Evga. Heres a link to Gainwards at Newegg. The "GAINWARD/CARDEXPERT GeForce 4 Ti 4200, 4ns, 128MB DDR, Power Pack Golden Sample" on this page is only $165 with free shipping. http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...tby=14&order=1 Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ Fold for PCMech: Team 13761

12-05-2002, 09:01 PM	#21
*glc* Forum Administrator Staff Premium Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Joplin MO Posts: 37,773	I think you can get 64mb models for as low as $117 - or even lower if you catch them on sale. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-06-2002, 08:07 PM	#24
TimPoet digitally confused Premium Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 2,301	not sure what you mean by "graphics" but yes the action will be smoother. having that quantum leap in the number of frames per second that the new vid card gives will largely stop the jerky motion when there is fast movement in the game or when there is a lot of visual detail in a game. Easier to blow the enemy's head off from 200 yards that way.... And see all the gory details thru your scope. Re: Screenshot Screenshot won't be able to portray framerate improvement, since framerate pertains to motion. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter Last edited by TimPoet; 12-06-2002 at 08:10 PM.

12-07-2002, 04:44 PM	#25
Xion Member (9 bit) Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 282	Is gainward the best brand for geforce4? I checked my local store and it cost 300 for the ti4200 128 mb. Is that a high price or cheap? What about other brands such as ABIT and ASUS? Thanks. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-07-2002, 05:50 PM	#26
TimPoet digitally confused Premium Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 2,301	Gainward is one of the better makers for the nVidia Titaniums, but WOW, that is too much for the Gainward G4 4200 Ti! Newegg has it's high end model, the Golden Sample for $165.00 Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter Last edited by TimPoet; 12-07-2002 at 05:52 PM.

12-07-2002, 05:53 PM	#27
*glc* Forum Administrator Staff Premium Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Joplin MO Posts: 37,773	Go to www.ncix.com and serach for ti4200 - there are about 22 hits, that's all Canadian $$$. Any of those will make that TNT2 look like crap. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-07-2002, 07:33 PM	#28
Xion Member (9 bit) Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 282	This a good buy? http://www.ncix.com/canada/productdetail.php?sku=8155 Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-07-2002, 08:08 PM	#29
TimPoet digitally confused Premium Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 2,301	Hmmm, it looks like one, in USD that'd be $183.34. That sounds reasonable to me as long as shipping isn't too high (total is only $18 USD more than Newegg's price). Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-08-2002, 08:26 AM	#30
Xion Member (9 bit) Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 282	How many volts do you need? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

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