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Old 12-05-2002, 08:52 PM   #1
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Probably going w/the Gainward Ti4600

Well. I think I'm going to go with a Gainward GF4 Ti4600 128mb video card as my next video upgrade. I figured no sense in paying high dollar for an expensive 9700pro or waiting for the new FX cards. I think a Ti4600 will last another year or so before its too old. Also, I would like to stick w/the Nvidia GPU since I plan on upgrading to a mobo w/a Nvidia nforce2 chipset. I'm afraid if I go ATI w/the nforce2 I might have problems...lol. Anyway, with my current system (which is in my signature) what do you think?? Good? I also plan on getting more memory. Maybe a stick of 512. All these choices for a video card is making my head spin! lol. Any input would be appreciated.

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Old 12-05-2002, 08:58 PM   #2
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I personally would be happy with a Ti4200 - it's a lot cheaper still and performs almost as well. Unless you play games at 1280x1024 or something like that I don't think you will be able to tell the difference except with benchmarks.
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Old 12-05-2002, 08:59 PM   #3
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Hi Jeradln82,

Depends on your budget: the 4200 if close to the performance of the 4600 and will save a few bucks.

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Old 12-05-2002, 10:02 PM   #4
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Yeah. I had the 4200 in mind also. Would you all agree that I need more memory? When I play UT2k3 I have to play in 800x600 16bit for it to run smoothly. Think that has to do w/the system memory, or my out dated video card, or a bit of both?
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Both. GeF2 is old technology and that game is the only one I heard of that requires 128 MB DDR.
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Old 12-06-2002, 12:17 AM   #6
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Christmas present to self:
1.) Gainward GF4 Ti4200/4600 128mb
2.) 512mb pc2100

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Old 12-06-2002, 03:05 AM   #7
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Oops, Jeradln, I thought you meant video ram.
64 mb video ram is a problem for UT2003.... You may not have to go to 512 system memory.
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Old 12-06-2002, 06:11 AM   #8
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Jeradln82, have you looked at the 9500pro?
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Old 12-06-2002, 04:55 PM   #9
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Jeradln82, have you looked at the 9500pro?
Yeah, I've looked at the 9500pro as well as numerous other cards. I decided to stay with the Nvidia GPU because my next mobo will have the nforce2 chipset. I don't wanna put the ATI GPU w/the nforce2 chipset, I'm afraid of complications. I figured it would run more smoothly if I stayed w/the Nvidia chips.



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64 mb video ram is a problem for UT2003.... You may not have to go to 512 system memory.
Yeah my current video card is a 64mb. I already ordered another stick of system memory, I figured it won't hurt Next week I'll order my new video card, after I get paid! wheee!
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Good call on the Gainward Ti 4600, see sig, I have that card, looks really neat, runs really good, and I've overclocked it a little with no complications. Good luck!
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lol..I hope to get anything close to that score. I get a little over 3000 on 3dmark w/my current system. Of course I don't have the CPU power you have so we'll see.
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I've hit 12,800+ in 3DMark, but I forgot the exact score and I don't have the compare link.
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I think it's silly to buy any graphics card with the GF FX so near release. Waiting two months to save a few bucks seems worth it to me anyway.
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I think it's silly to buy any graphics card with the GF FX so near release. Waiting two months to save a few bucks seems worth it to me anyway.
I pretty much agree, since that's exactly what I'm doing. My GF 3 is doing just fine and with the fx coming out real soon now, I'm not going to buy a GF 4.

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I think it's silly to buy any graphics card with the GF FX so near release. Waiting two months to save a few bucks seems worth it to me anyway.
It's just fine, isn't it, to buy now when you have an extreme bottleneck like a Radeon 7000 VE or a GF 2 MX and an extra $150?
If you want to wait to shell $4-500 out in a couple mos. (yea, right) for the top of the line card which will be selling for 2/3's that price or less 6 mos. later (which will still be unaffordable for budget gamers), doing so might be ok, if you have $500 leisure money every month in your budget.
But not everybody does....
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It's just fine, isn't it, to buy now when you have an extreme bottleneck like a Radeon 7000 VE or a GF 2 MX and an extra $150?
If you want to wait to shell $4-500 out in a couple mos. (yea, right) for the top of the line card which will be selling for 2/3's that price or less 6 mos. later (which will still be unaffordable for budget gamers), doing so might be ok, if you have $500 leisure money every month in your budget.
But not everybody does....

I agree, excellent post.
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Old 12-07-2002, 05:40 PM   #17
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The closest thing I've run 3D Mark on to your system is an AMD 1.2/266 with 512mb PC133 and a 64mb Ti4200 - it runs about 7500. Considering that this kid's dad has a P4/2.53 with 1 gig DDR and a 128mb Ti4400 that benches 10000, thats not shabby at all.

By the way - much as I like Win2000, I don't really recommend it for games - it's very stable but the frame rates are kinda low.
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It's just fine, isn't it, to buy now when you have an extreme bottleneck like a Radeon 7000 VE or a GF 2 MX and an extra $150?
If you want to wait to shell $4-500 out in a couple mos. (yea, right) for the top of the line card which will be selling for 2/3's that price or less 6 mos. later (which will still be unaffordable for budget gamers), doing so might be ok, if you have $500 leisure money every month in your budget.
But not everybody does....
Hi TimPoet and All,

Also, it'll be a long time before any games will be written for the card. Heck, there are still numerous new games that don't take advantage of my "old" GF 3.

But, that is another reason why I'll wait a while. I got my GF 1 when it was hot and paid the high price. I waited to buy my GF 3 until they were about "1/2 " price.

No, I'm not going to rush out and get a GF "5" right away, and will wait for it to come down in price. Look how quick the GF 4 came down.

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Old 12-08-2002, 03:16 AM   #19
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By the way - much as I like Win2000, I don't really recommend it for games - it's very stable but the frame rates are kinda low.
Man I really love my win2000. I have XP on my laptop, and I don't care for it much. I guess it's b/c I'm so used to win2000. Gaming is all I use my system for, except the internet, burning cds, and watching DVDs. Do you think I should upgrade to XP Professional?

As for waiting for the FX cards, I really can't afford to pay $400+ for a brand new video card that supports directx9, which nobody knows when its comming out. Its too much $$ for too much extras I won't use. Ti4200 is in my price range, and is a huge upgrade from my GF2 pro. I thank everyone for their replies. I appreciate it.

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Old 12-08-2002, 02:29 PM   #20
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I'm not gonna recommend you upgrade to XP Pro either........if 2K works good for ya, stick with it. I was just making an observation. I just do not like XP at all, if I were building a dedicated gamer I would still go with 98SE and accept that it's gonna need reformatting frequently.
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Old 12-08-2002, 02:35 PM   #21
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The TI-4200 will do fine, but if you wait for the FX, the prices on 9700 should drop, actually they are already pretty low compared to last month.

With the config below I play Ut2k3 without a problem in highest graphics, but I need to turn of anti-aliasing, texture sharpening, and aniastropic filtering in the display proprerties in windows.
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Old 12-09-2002, 07:22 PM   #22
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Question One more Question

OK on last question. I was getting ready to order the Gainward Ti4200 off newegg. Then I saw the 8x agp model is only $3 more. Would I be better off to get teh 8x agp model, Its only $3 more? I'll only be running it in a 4x agp slot. Will the 8x model perform the same as the 4x model in the 4x slot, or will the perfomance decrease in the 8x agp. I guess what I'm trying to ask is, Should I go ahead and get the 8x model for when I upgrade to a new mobo w/a 8x agp slot? I'm just afraid that by getting the 8x model it might hurt the performance running it in the 4x slot.....any input would be appreciated.
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OOps..Nevermind. the one for $3 more is NOT the golden sample card. Disregard last question! lol
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Old 12-09-2002, 07:55 PM   #24
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Will the 8x model perform the same as the 4x model in the 4x slot?

Yes, other specs being equal.
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Old 12-10-2002, 01:56 PM   #25
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From someone who worked at M$, mostly in the acpi/apic area, the driver model in xp is 3% to 10% faster than the model in 2k. I am not that someone.
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Old 12-19-2002, 08:04 AM   #26
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I took the leap and bought the Gainward Ultra 750XP Geforce 4 Powerpack (Ti4600) and I haven't been happier. This baby overclocks like a champ! ...and the gaming is HEAVEN.

My specs are similar to yours:
CPU* AMD Athlon 1800XP
*Mobo* Epox 8KHA
*Memory* 768DDR pc2100
*Video* GeForce4 Pro 128mb AGP
*HD* Maxtor 80Gb 7200rpm ATA133
*Sound* SoundBlaster aUDIGY

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There are various versions of gf4 4200 about. Some are made on the same board as the gf4 4400/4600, wich is one or two more layers. More layers isolates signal channels so interference and inductance/capacitance is reduced. Plus some are using 4400/4600 ddr mem and clock as fast as a 4600 or better. Look around at the benchmarks for the good one to get.
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