GeforceFX preview/review

[reverendantibagl]

Heres a review over at Hardocp . Important to note that it is only a reference board but still..I was hoping for a little more.

[Amspete]

Interesting....I've also read the AnandTech and Tom's reviews along with this one and the conclusions are similiar. This certainly doesn't seem to be the ATI buster everyone was expecting. NVidia has always provided excellent drivers so I would imagine it will only be a matter of time before the drivers "catch up" with the card. I've been putting off a new video card purchase until I could see what the new FX cards were capable of. Now my decision is as clear as mud! lol

[Fuze]

Wow. I was expecting more of a romp. Props to ATI on having such a good card hold its own so well.

[Alienware_Dude]

I was bummed the minute I heard the words "128-bit memory pipeline".

[pam123]

I may be an ATI user but it's not in my best interest to have NVidia mess up like this :http://www.overclockers.com/

[wolfie]

after reading the reviews on that so far ill think ill wait for the 9900 to come out.

wolfie

[reverendantibagl]

Well the plot thickens...

GeForce FX Reviews Wrong?
While we are still looking into this, it seems that the in-game screen shots posted on the Net yesterday showing off IQ produced by the GeForceFX 5800 Ultra are "wrong".

There is no doubt that we criticized the GFFX for its AntiAliasing, and now it seems that we may have not had the proper evidence to base our conclusions on. To quote ourselves from this page:


With NoAA you can see the aliasing is quite predominant. 2X AA and Quincunx don’t seem to do much on the GeForceFX visually, but the FPS are affected comparing the shots to the original with no AA enabled.

Of course all of this left us a bit puzzled, and wondering about the AA abilities of the drivers, but the "facts" are the fact correct?

We have been working with NVIDIA on this to get an answer and it seems that now we have the preliminary information to give us a bit more insight on the question.

The GeForceFX's technology applies filters that effect AntiAliasing and Anisotropic filtering before the frame buffer and after the frame has left the frame buffer. In short, this means that all of our screenshots do not accurately represent the true in-game visual quality that the GFFX can and will produce, as the screen shots were pulled from the frame buffer (in the "middle" of the AA process). We have come to conclusions about the GFFX IQ (Image Quality) that may be simply wrong.

While we cannot answer for other reviews of the GeForceFX it is very possible this is an issue with those articles as well, if they were in fact thorough enough to cover IQ.

We are currently working on a way to capture the images properly and will be revisiting the GeForceFX 5800 Preview by covering the IQ portion of our preview with proper screen shot comparison or further information addressing the truth surrounding this situation.

Certainly this is a huge issue it seems that NVIDIA was not even aware of when they issued us the review units. Having 48 hours to preview the card over Superbowl weekend compounded this, and while that is no excuse for improper evaluation on our part, it did certainly impact our ability to do a better evaluation. We are sorry for any incorrect evaluations we have made and are working now to remedy the situation. Any new information will be posted here on our news page.

To answer a popular email, we are currently evaluating in-game play with the screen shots and we will certainly report further on our findings when we have a better handle on the situation.

[pam123]

Originally posted by reverendantibagl Well the plot thickens... GeForce FX Reviews Wrong? .

Where did you find this ?

Never mind, I found it and I also found this:http://www.hardforum.com/showthread....post1024335136

Read FrgMstr who starts the thread.

[glc]

If you just have to have one as soon as you can get your hands on one - saw this at compusa.com today:

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[pam123]

More on the Hardocp review:[H]ardNews 6th Edition Wednesday January 29, 2003
Posted by Kyle 12:22 PM (CST)

GeForceFX Follow-up:
Well, yesterday was certainly interesting as we were questioning our own IQ screenshots in our GFFX 5800 Ultra preview. We are still working on getting all the facts together, but we do have some initial thoughts on this issue.

First off and most important to many of you, is that our performance numbers are dead on, and show to be correct for every AA and AF setting shown utilized in our benchmarks (whew).

Second, it seems that our High Quality Image Quality comparison is correct as well as our IQ comparisons done at and above the 4XAA level.

Where we are sure they are wrong is solely on our 2XAA/QCAA screenshots and comparisons. Being that this will be a level that almost anyone purchasing the card would be using it is very important.

Going back yesterday and last night and doing in-game comparisons with the ATI 9700 Pro, it looks to us that NVIDIA's AA is still not up to par with the 9700 Pro's level of quality across the board, but certainly not as lacking as we pointed out at lower levels of AA.

Overall, we are still standing by our conclusions we drew from our initial results. The GeForceFX 5800 Ultra is loud, hot, expensive, and does not deliver the in-game image quality that the ATI 9700 Pro does. There is no doubt about the validity of that statement in my mind. This is not to say that GFFX is a bad product as it is marginally faster in many applications than the ATI flagship, but we all know that it all stopped being only about frames per second some time ago.

So to put it succinctly, NVIDIA gets a bit of credit for doing much better 2XAA than at first thought, but it surely does not change our opinion of the product. Now if we can just get NVIDIA to tell us exactly what is going on with their AA and why some forms of it seem to be done differently than others.

We are currently working on getting proper 2XAA images placed into our GFFX preview along with a reworking of the evaluation of those images.


The card isn't making it in IQ.

[Alienware_Dude]

I actually think all the previews are bunk; wait until it's available, then evaluate it.

[RenegadeKing]

The card they are using probably won't change much hardware wise, but they are still using beta drivers. I bet the final drivers will improve on a lot.

[TwoRails]

Hi all,

TechTV just did some benchmarking on the fx 5800, but still with not ready for prime time drivers, and a beta card.

It again seems to win most benchmarks, but not all. I'll still wait for the final, retail benchmarks, but priliminary results are that it's not the 9700 killer I'd thought it would be.....

Check it out here:

http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/p...416421,00.html

TwoRails