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Old 01-30-2005, 04:44 PM   #31
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paint shop pro can do the same thing, and just as easy.
nice shot too.
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Old 01-30-2005, 05:13 PM   #32
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I downloaded the trial of Pain Shop Pro and it looks nice. However, I can already see it's not as feature rich as PhotoShop (understandable) I can't find some of the features I'm already using frequently in PhotoShop. Paint Shop doesn't have a "smart" clone brush like PhotoShop. PhotoShop's healing brush adapts to it's surroundings while the clone brush does just that. It clones exactly.
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Old 01-30-2005, 05:24 PM   #33
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i use the gimp
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Old 01-30-2005, 05:25 PM   #34
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I use TheGimp 2.0 for my pic editing needs. As good as Photoshop and legally free! I suggest you check it out. Open source is awesome!
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Old 01-30-2005, 05:27 PM   #35
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I got mine through work, The graphics dept wanted to upgrade a few machines so I asked if they could allow me to be included
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Old 01-30-2005, 10:16 PM   #36
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If you are interested, here is a comparison of Photoshop and Photoshop elements:
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Old 01-31-2005, 01:39 AM   #37
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I have 5.0LE... It came with my copy of Premiere 6...

I must say though, that seeing as how I do very little photo editing, I much prefer MS Paint over Photoshop.
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Old 01-31-2005, 10:52 AM   #38
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Hi Ho,

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Paint shop pro can do the same thing, and just as easy.
nice shot too.
Here is your pic after a little colour balancing and brightening in Paint Shop Pro.

I use both Photoshop CS and Paint Shop Pro 9 (a little arm-twisting of a dealer pal for whom I sold thirty five systems in twenty days, and he gave me retail versions of both for free in exchange for commission), and I find that PSP is way more easy to use for most of my work than Photoshop, and more often than not does as good a job, for a lot less of my money.

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Old 01-31-2005, 11:33 AM   #39
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I also use GIMP. It's free and I can pretty much do everything I want to do with it. I used to have the 16-bit version of Paint Shop Pro back when it was shareware.
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Old 01-31-2005, 01:07 PM   #40
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My Effort

Here is my effort with HiHo's photo, used photoshop CS.

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Old 01-31-2005, 01:30 PM   #41
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Since we're sharing...

Photoshop 7.0 just using some tricks of the trade.
Had to compress a bit to upload due to file size.
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Old 01-31-2005, 06:06 PM   #42
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Again, gonna have to endorse GIMP. Pretty similar to PS in terms of what it can do, and completely free.
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Old 01-31-2005, 06:26 PM   #43
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I'll check out GIMP. I still like my PhotoShop fix best. The others either look to blue, to green, or overexposed. Maybe it's my monitor?
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Old 01-31-2005, 07:05 PM   #44
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I still like my PhotoShop fix best. The others either look to blue, to green, or overexposed. Maybe it's my monitor?
Could also be the fact that this was the first time I've ever tried to fix a low quality photograph with PS... Your monitor is probably fine
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Mine is bright, I wanted to bring out the Blues & Greens, never touched the brightness controls though, Never do.
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Old 01-31-2005, 08:55 PM   #46
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I just thought I'd share my (minimum of) effort with Photoshop CS (Auto Levels and Hue/Saturation were the only adjustments I used). I find that most of the items in the Filters menu are superfluous -- basically the only features I use are crop, healing brush, clone stamp, the blur tool, Image Size, Rotate Canvas, and the stuff in the Image > Adjustments menu (especially Auto Levels/Contrast/Color, Brightness/Contrast, Hue/Saturation, and Shadow/Highlight).

I thought (no offense intended) that most people's doctored photos were too yellow and/or didn't have enough contrast. I did see a fault with my effort too -- the grass is too dark.
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Old 01-31-2005, 09:29 PM   #47
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This is like comparing favorite cars. I think the WRX STi is amazing, but my wife thinks it's the ugliest thing ever created. Everyone has a different idea of what photographs should look like and it's just that simple. Some like colour, some like detail, some like shadow, I prefer to take good pictures so they don't have to be adjusted. All of my "Photoshoping" is creating images and that's when Photoshop really shines. The flexibility and limits are endless when you start with a blank canvas.
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Well I made it look like it did in real life because I was there and took the picture. I used the auto levels and auto color then adjusted the brightness/contrast and messed with the color balance. I always try to take good pictures (of course) but it's not always possible to get it perfect. Most pictures can be tweaked some way or another.
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Old 01-31-2005, 09:39 PM   #49
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I prefer to take good pictures so they don't have to be adjusted.
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Well I made it look like it did in real life because I was there and took the picture.
Sorry about that Hi Ho!! I didn't realize you took the photo, but no offence intended.
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Old 01-31-2005, 09:42 PM   #50
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No offence taken. Didn't even cross my mind. The comment about me making it look like it did in real life had nothing to do with your comment about taking good pictures. I took that through a tinted window which was a very stupid thing to do. When I fixed it in PhotoShop I fixed it the way I remembered seeing it in person.

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This is like comparing favorite cars. I think the WRX STi is amazing, but my wife thinks it's the ugliest thing ever created. Everyone has a different idea of what photographs should look like and it's just that simple. Some like colour, some like detail, some like shadow, I prefer to take good pictures so they don't have to be adjusted. All of my "Photoshoping" is creating images and that's when Photoshop really shines. The flexibility and limits are endless when you start with a blank canvas.
It's great to take good pictures, but sometimes environmental conditions conspire against you. For example, I need to use the flash most of the time when taking pictures of my kittens, because I take the pictures inside and the kittens are so frisky that with slow shutter speeds, they're just a blur. Of course, the flash makes the pictures way too contrasty, so I use the Shadow/Highlight filter and Auto Levels to fix them up.

Another example: I went to Switzerland over the winter holiday and took along my laptop and digital camera. I took a bunch of photos (pictures at http://community.webshots.com/user/thefultonhow), but the conditions in some of them necessitated doctoring. I took one shot off my grandparents' room's balcony that was spectacular, but was right into the sun. To compensate I blocked out the sun with the roof of the balcony, but then I had to crop the roof out of the picture in Photoshop. In several other cases, it was slightly overcast, so I had to increase contrast (going back the next day was not an option, because I had many other photo ops, ski trails, hikes, etc. to sample!) In a few other cases, there were various other reasons that the photos needed to be doctored -- color was off, composition could be improved by cropping (no optical zoom on my camera), etc. So Photoshop was very useful.
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Old 01-31-2005, 09:55 PM   #52
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I think I'm being taken a little too literal. I said I prefer to take good pictures, I didn't say that every picture I take is perfect.

Part of the reason I bought a digital camera is because you can take several pictures of one situation and delete any that don't turn out. This drastically reduces the amount of adjustments I need to make because I have several options to choose from. My camera also allows me to adjust ISO and exposure length, which helps. Use a tripod and open up the sutter longer so you don't get blur but you capture more surrounding light.
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Hehehe I'm the opposite. I almost never delete pictures. I usually take a one picture and if it doesn't come out good I'll take another. I know I can usually fix it on the PC. With PhotoShop I'd be even more confident.
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I actually luck out a little bit for a long time ago I got Photoshop Elements (I think it was still called that, but if not it was on the same principal) and inside the package it said upgrade to Photoshop 6.0 for $150.00 (It was a special discount coupon for upgrading). I said cool so I mailed in the upgrade (Made a Copy First) and about 2-3 weeks go by I get a call from Adobe saying that the coupon in the package was put in by mistake and that it was only for People who already have Photoshop and want to upgrade. Well, I said "Well, it still a mistake and I do believe you have to honor it though" The person on the end of the line thought he was going to pull a fast on me a said "Ok but you have to mail the coupon back in" thinking that I didn't have the coupon. "I said ok I just make a copy of the original and mail you the copy again" There was a small pause and by the infraction of his voice I could tell that he was angry, he said "Forget about sending it back in, I just give you Photoshop 6 for the upgrade price of $150.00 and just to let you know this isn't our policy on upgrading" I thanked him and smiling to myself that I got Photoshop for around $240.00 and have been upgrading it every since.
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