So what are you going to do when Windows Vista Comes out?

[maynoth]

Now that we know Windows Vista is going to have Digital Rights Management and Trusted Computing built into it, we will have to buy new monitors and hardware to support it. No more MP3's or Divx Movies... No more P2P... Are you guys going to put up with it? Do you plan on using Linux? I am interested in hearing everyone's contingency plans for Vista(assuming the OS isn't hacked).

[mairving]

Until there is a valid reason to change, i.e. MS quits making updates, I will continue to use XP/2K.

[Force Flow]

I won't be upgrading to Vista for a long, long time.

Heck, I don't even care to mess with XP's SP2 on my personal rigs.

[Statica]

Honestly, Not switch to Vista if I can help it .. am going to keep using XP for a while .. not because I believe that DRM is wrong, but because I am not going to rush out and buy new hardware.
I don't plan on going back to Linux - not for this version of the kernel anyway, am quite happy with my UNIX!

[HAL9000]

The only reason I ever upgraded OS's before was I was in the business and got the upgrades for nothing.... now that I'm not... I can't see switching from XP anytime soon.

[peekaboo]

Could someone explain what is going on?
What's the connection between the new os and hardware change?

[mairving]

Originally Posted by peekaboo Could someone explain what is going on? What's the connection between the new os and hardware change?

I assume that Statica was talking about buying a new computer that came preloaded with Vista. Obviously, paying money for a XP upgrade is out.

[Statica]

No actually I was talking about Vista's probable inclusion of PVP-OPM (Protected Video Path-Output Protection Management) etc. (for example: http://www.smh.com.au/news/breaking/...?oneclick=true) might force people into looking for new hardware like compatible monitors etc.
Mind you, the hysteria about Vista's inclusion of such protection schema is a bit much; consider that pretty much every major OS manufacturer is going to have something like this; pretty much every major consumer electronics mfger is going to have something like this (either on your set top HD box or DVD/BluRay player etc). Microsoft is just ahead of the curve.

As I said, I'm not against DRM; I just will not junk out perfectly good hardware because of incompatibility to get on the marketting bandwagon. My hardware reflects my computing needs, not that desire to brag about the Mhz or the framerates. XP has been rock solid for me.

[Redfallon]

The big DRM issue is this:

In plain English, this means that Vista machines won't be able to play next-generation, high-definition DVDs in their full, high-resolution glory unless they're equipped with monitors that support a new DRM scheme called High-Bandwidth Digital Copy Protection, or HDCP. That'll mean that PC owners wanting to upgrade to Vista will also have to spend hundreds of dollars to buy HDCP-compliant monitors, according to the flak being fired at Microsoft

The DVD would still play, just at current "normal" DVD quality.

[sdkfz]

When I get my next PC, I will get the OS that it comes with. Since I am on a box that is now only 4 months old and the last one was 5+ years old prior to replacement I do not see myself upgrading to this OS anytime in the near future. In this I am with statica, my new box serves me fine and will do so for what I use a PC for which for 8 hours a day which is working at a financial institution remotley. My last two PC replacements have been tied to Half Life releases, so I gues the next PC will be bought when HL3 coms out.

I have no problem with the protection of rights, be they free speech or ownership of created artwork. The only reason that we are seeing money being spent by industry(ies) on methods to protect their revenue streams is the fact that certain people by their actions force them to.

It is the unfortunate state of reality that all of us law abiding citizens are forced to do things to protect ourselves from those who are not so inclined and that we are also impacted by the actions of others trying to protect themselves. These impacts range from those as simple as theft protection devices that set off alarms as we walk out cause they were not de activated by the clerk causing us embarrassment to being forced to either upgrade equipment to keep up with the new technology or choose to do with out.

[HAL9000]

Yuppers.. I pretty much mimmic what Statica said... my machine is a 2.4Ghz P4, the other two are 1100, and 1000mhz Celerons... all serve our needs just fine and I don't see upgrading any of them any time soon. Since getting a 50" TV and a digital cable PVR box, I don't spend much time on the computer.. why would I want to watch a video on a 17" screen?

[Cricket]

Originally Posted by maynoth Now that we know Windows Vista is going to have Digital Rights Management and Trusted Computing built into it, we will have to buy new monitors and hardware to support it. No more MP3's or Divx Movies... No more P2P... Are you guys going to put up with it? Do you plan on using Linux? I am interested in hearing everyone's contingency plans for Vista(assuming the OS isn't hacked).

I don't plan on doing anything. I'm not the type to rush out and buy something just because it's new. If what I'm using currently works for me, I tend to stick with it until I have to upgrade.

Cricket

[trulad]

Here we go again! Deju vous all over again. When XP first came out everybody was complaining that they would never give up old "faithful"? Win.98 for XP. Now we all love XP and are fearful of the next generation. I will not pre-judge something untill after it's out and reviewed.
trulad

[guruboy]

trulad is right. The consumers in the computer industry love anything ne; hardware, games, and most OSs...except Windows! When it comes to new version of Windows, the computer community screams "we fear change" No one complained about OSX Tiger being released! I'm going to get my copy of Vista and see what it can do right away. It doesn't mean I have to switch my life into Vista style. I am all for DRM.

[als814]

I still use 2k on this computer because that happened to be the only liscence I had when I built it. I noticed they don't really sell that anymore, or at least not on Newegg. Will I be able to get XP liscences after Vista comes out because I am not interested in my rights being managed.

[HAL9000]

You have rights to pirated music and video?

[als814]

Not technically, but I'm more worried about my dad who would get angry about it. He has tons of albums, but he doesn't have any way to transfer them to CD, so he downloads them off of p2p stuff. Technically it isn't legal because it isn't his digital signature that he is making CD's of, so I don't think this new Windows would approve. On the other hand, he has already paid once for all of his songs, so why should he have to buy them on a new format.

[Statica]

Originally Posted by trulad Here we go again! Deju vous all over again. When XP first came out everybody was complaining that they would never give up old "faithful"? Win.98 for XP. Now we all love XP and are fearful of the next generation. I will not pre-judge something untill after it's out and reviewed. trulad

Actually the numbers and facts go against you, XP is now widely accepted as a standard because of the number of OEMs that were compelled to offer it with their new PCs. The number of people upgrading to XP without the need to embrace the new "technology" were still low.

Originally Posted by guruboy I'm going to get my copy of Vista and see what it can do right away.

I think you're completely missing the point here.
You obviously may not have the need for a stable, production system at your disposal. A lot of the key features of Vista that will truly define it as the next generation might not ship with the copy that you get "right away".

The fact still remains, that the % of PC hobbyists out there are EXTREMELY low compared to those that use their PCs for mission critical and $-critical tasks. No large company is going to shove an immediate deployment of a new OS, be it Tiger or whatever .. down the pipes!

The way an OS becomes a standard is not because of a company releases a product; but because it is gradually integrated into the computer world. It is also a gradual process; one of the early steps is when all OEMs start bundling the OS with their system and companies buy new hardware. Conversely, the number of people upgrading or getting new hardware is usually not just so they can become compatible with an operating system, in case you're looking at it from the other side... they get hardware when their mission critical, $-critical tasks can no longer be effectively performed by the current platform.

Originally Posted by guruboy No one complained about OSX Tiger being released!

Really? I thought Tim was a bit wary of it.
A tad tongue in cheek (please spare me, ye Apple lovers), but you seriously cannot compare the impact of an Apple OS version shift as against a Microsoft OS version shift. Even given, the relatively low numbers of service pack deployments, there were more people who got SP2 for XP than for OSX. The other thing that you have to understand the scope of the change Tiger affects. I'm sure that all the Apple manufacturers (Apple Inc.) and all the Apple OEM manufacturers (Apple Inc.) and all the home Apple builders (I'll keep searching for one) had no trouble getting Tiger released out to the world...

[mairving]

Originally Posted by trulad Here we go again! Deju vous all over again. When XP first came out everybody was complaining that they would never give up old "faithful"? Win.98 for XP. Now we all love XP and are fearful of the next generation. I will not pre-judge something untill after it's out and reviewed. trulad

Never heard or could imagine someone saying that Windows 98 was old "faithful". Actually there were two OS's in between 98, ME which wasn't widely adopted and Windows 2000 which was widely adopted particularly in the corporate world. There wasn't and still isn't a whole lot of reason to upgrade from Windows 2000 to XP. From what has been shown of Vista, there is even less of a reason to go from XP to Vista.

[pam123]

I've got a folder filled with LINUX distro reviews
I keep not deciding but I think Micorsoft is about to make up my mind for me, and not in their favor.

[maynoth]

Windows XP didn't have DRM and Trusted Computing.... I don't know how many people are going to tolerate this... I for one will not use Vista unless it is in a dual boot scenario and ONLY for gaming..... all other apps will be handled by a non-DRM OS...

[Mac Medic]

Isn't it a bit early to consider upgrading? vista is due in what 2012? But really, I doub't it'll be readily available until 2007 and then it'll be extremely stripped down, features are being pulled on an almost daily basis. The DRm will prob one of those features.

[Jaggannath]

I'll use Vista if it comes with a new computer... but it won't, because I won't be buying one, so it won't

[akhonda97]

Originally Posted by maynoth Now that we know Windows Vista is going to have Digital Rights Management and Trusted Computing built into it, we will have to buy new monitors and hardware to support it. No more MP3's or Divx Movies... No more P2P... Are you guys going to put up with it? Do you plan on using Linux? I am interested in hearing everyone's contingency plans for Vista(assuming the OS isn't hacked).

um where did you get this information from? i have heard nothing of this. a few points on what you have said also:
1 - we can rip music from cd's using Windows Media Player *microsoft program!* into MP3 format - why would they just take it away all of a sudden?
2 - why take away divx movies? they are not JUST for people that are copying dvd's, but for also homemade videos and such, because DIVX takes less space and still get good quality. and they are also coming out with more DVD players that support DIVX format. that is also stupid to take that away suddenly..
3 - why would we need to by new monitors? windows vista *or ANY OS for that matter* is not what has the plugs that we connect our monitors to - it is software and monitors are hardware - they are supported by the motherboard/video card - and there are already support for both many ATI & NVIDIA graphics cards - unless microsoft is going to start making their own hardware and own special connectors for special monitors
4 - most current day pcs will run vista - it is your own choice if you think that you need to upgrade the hardware - microsoft has some specs released for running vista at optimal speeds with all the fancy stuff added - current xp machines will be able to run the low end visual part of vista.

so, again, where did you get your information from? please post up a link

[maynoth]

http://news.com.com/Hollywood%2C+Mic...?tag=nefd.lede


http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/003882.php


I don't make this stuff up...

You WILL have to buy a new Hardware DRM enabled monitor to play back copyrighted video, plus it is going to get worse hardware wise.. Imagine that Vista detects your music library and either disables access to or deletes it all together because you didn't rip them into MS DRM WMA format....

This is going to get ugly...

Eventually Intel is integrating DRM and trusted computing into a hardware/chip level. PCI Express 2.0 will have drm functionality... It is going to get nasty.... I can see having to use mod chips for our computers and fighting against the DMCA to get them... This is going to get absurd, and makes me want to end my career in computers and move to some Buddhist monastery.

[pam123]

So now we get to see what the buying public is willing to put up with.

[maynoth]

I think it will become the main OS for the PC platform... because most people are cattle and will put up with it... I swear the political arena is already starting to look like something strait out of Orwell's 1984.... but now the computing world is too.... MOOO.....

[HAL9000]

I think this is just more anti-MS propoganda... if you don't like it, don't use it.

[maynoth]

are you personally going to use vista if it is that invasive Hal?

I wont use it.... I will learn linux I guess... assuming linux isn't outlawed or forced to incorporate DRM also... I was peeved about the mandatory product activation in XP, which is why have a copy of XP Pro SP2 Corp. Edition (yes I actually do own a RETAIL COPY of XP PRO) I just think the line has to be drawn somewhere... I hope this is it for most consumers...

[Snod Blatter]

Originally Posted by mairving Never heard or could imagine someone saying that Windows 98 was old "faithful".

I love 98SE... I still think it's class, but then I don't have a machine with a huge number of GHz and several gigs of RAM... so it works fine

To answer the main question... by 2007 or whenever it's due to come out, I may upgrade to XP. Possibly.

You may laugh, but 98SE is already, what, 7 years old? Still works fine for me...

I may upgrade to win2k sometime in the near future, too...