windows Vista

[jackmanplus]

hey anyone checked out the new windows Vista at the microsoft website? If you haven't you might want to

anyhow, if i understand it right, which im pretty sure i do, the entire theme for windows Vista is, like i told my buddy in an IM, "their entire theme in this new version of windows called "Vista" is total lack of organazation and super security", so tell me this does anyone really understand the virtual folders, because as I understand it "its like shoveing all your stuff into a big a$$ junk drawer and saying, "Yep ill be able to find everything faster and easier now" "and that really doesnt make much sense to me, especially now that they want to have heightened security. It does sound like something Micr0$0ft might do though, doesn't it, improving securtiy by making a new kind of file organization based on junk drawers you find in most houses. We shove everything into one drawer and just search through the entire drawer anytime we want to find anything.

What do you guys think about this, i mean, the way they explain their new OS, I definitley won't be buying it.

[Statica]

I hope you dont take offense to this, but I think you've missed the point on virtual folders entirely! But let me address your points one at a time ...
If beta 1 is anything to go by, I dont know how your IM buddy calls it a total lack of organization and super security. The interface is extremely clean, organization is great as well. I have no idea what your friend is running.
Now as to the Junk drawer one big folder, I can tell you that you couldn't be further away from what's going down. As the name implies, it's a virtual folder, it doesn't mean that all your files are sitting there, it doesn't even mean that everything sits on one location, it means that whatever you seek will be in one place at all times... that is if you so desire it to be. Consider this, in the traditional model (your OS today) you store pictures in C:\blah blah\blah blah\party hats\*.* and some in E:\xyz\etcetc\more party hats\*.* now just because you've gotten used to this schema doesn't really mean that it's the most efficient way of going about your life. Searching becomes morbidly difficult (hence the term wildcards). A virtual folder, allows you to "virtually" store all your files, for example party hat images, in one directory. Even though you access it through the virtual folder, they are physically on wherever you chose to store them.
If you really want to see it in action, check out OSX .. virtual folders are quite popular and quite successfully implemented (and before all ye MS bashers turn up with how it was stolen from Apple, it wasn't MS released whitepapers on it before OSX' came out with it) and is called Smart Folders (http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/spotlight/ or http://www.slackermanager.com/slacke...art_folde.html or http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/7005).
Anyway, the real point is that it's perhaps quick to believe anyone with a keyboard and a monitor; thanx to the web, you can search out what virtual folders really are so that you dont have to believe me, or your buddy
Here are some links to get you started: http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase...ualfolders.asp
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/image/vista/9
http://www.winmatrix.com/forums/inde...showtopic=5455

and many many more.... if you want to see screenshots of Vista's Beta 1, its available out there..

Lots of people keep going on about how they definitely wont be buying anything; I don't understand why people are so resistant to change, before change happens. Of course, it's your prerogative not to buy anything you don't want to buy ... but change is inevitable.

[jackmanplus]

thanks!!!
I kinda understand now, the way they made it sound was like it was mandatory(well not mandatory but close enough so) and you wouldn't have any manual control over file location, I see the need for improved search times, but the way i keep my computer EVERYTHING is neatly organized so i never have to search for anything/besides spyware which has manifested itself which is besides the point. Personally i think the current search method is very fast and works great, but whatever, and i probly will update to Vista eventually(grudgingly) because MS stops, or at least decreases, securtiy updates for their old software after so many years.

[TennBikeBerk]

If you know how to use "smart" playlists, then I think virtual folders will make sense to you. Virtual folders are like smart playlists, but for your files. They automatically compile a folder (instead of a playlist) based on certain criteria you give it - and then dynamically recompile the folder whenever things change.

If you want *all* of your pictures in a single "folder," then you can have that. If you want all of your pictures from the last month (always relative to "today"), then you can have a "folder" for that too.

I say "folder" (in quotes) because you aren't actually making copies of the files, and placing those copies into a new folder, but rather you're creating a folder that appears to have the originals, but merely contains what you might consider to be shortcuts.

[jackmanplus]

seem's kinda problamatic to me, yes i do understand smart playlists, but they files are still organized physically(OK,OK not actually physically on the hard drive, please don't go and tell me windows just puts files anywhere it can stick them because I KNOW),if you base your OS with that though, users might adopt them because they're so conveinent, not caring where they save files, and it will be a mess, you see what im trying to get at? Total caos, in any form, even organized as they will make it, is just not good sence. If you had a bunch of shelves, and lots of papers, would you stick one on hurricanes on shelf 1, one on food on shelf 2, one on food on shelf 8000, one on hurricanes in slot 279, one on drawing on shelf 89, etc.; and then make a registry of where they where at, so you have to look them up first on the registry, and then find the shelf, or would you put the one on hurricanes on shelf 1, the second on hurricanes in slot 2, and then label that area hurricanes? so all you would have to do is search for hurricanes, and then right there are your documents?