Do you think AMD can pull themselves together?

[hitchface]

Well, I've been doing some more reading around, and have gleaned some more information. They have finally jumped on the quad-core bandwagon, which was exciting because the only thing they had going for them was the Quad-FX platform. Not only that, but they have their very own brand spankin' new chipset! If they can gain as good a reputation pairing that chipset with their processors a Intel has, they might just have some fight left in them!

Aside from that, they are looking to reallr revolutionize the way processors are used. Multiple chips, all purpose processors, its all really cool to think about. Either way, the big question is how they plan on implementing their new strategies in a cost-effective and energy efficient way. They know full well that even their fans will switch to Intel if the next big wave is dominated by them.

Anyways, What I see here is a game of catchup, with a bit of innovation thrown into the mix. I couldn't find the page on AMDs site this time around, but I found a link here:

http://techreport.com/onearticle.x/11438

Gives you a brief idea of what is to come.

[HAL9000]

What will come.... AMD will pull ahead... fanboys will cheer AMD and say that the death of Intel is soon to come... Intel will catch up and Intel people will say "told you so"....AMD will pull ahead... fanboys will cheer AMD and say that the death of Intel is soon to come... Intel will catch up and Intel people will say "told you so"....AMD will pull ahead... fanboys will cheer AMD and say that the death of Intel is soon to come... Intel will catch up and Intel people will say "told you so"....AMD will pull ahead... fanboys will cheer AMD and say that the death of Intel is soon to come... Intel will catch up and Intel people will say "told you so"....AMD will pull ahead... fanboys will cheer AMD and say that the death of Intel is soon to come... Intel will catch up and Intel people will say "told you so"....AMD will pull ahead... fanboys will cheer AMD and say that the death of Intel is soon to come... Intel will catch up and Intel people will say "told you so"....AMD will pull ahead... fanboys will cheer AMD and say that the death of Intel is soon to come... Intel will catch up and Intel people will say "told you so"....AMD will pull ahead... fanboys will cheer AMD and say that the death of Intel is soon to come... Intel will catch up and Intel people will say "told you so"....AMD will pull ahead... fanboys will cheer AMD and say that the death of Intel is soon to come... Intel will catch up and Intel people will say "told you so"....AMD will pull ahead... fanboys will cheer AMD and say that the death of Intel is soon to come... Intel will catch up and Intel people will say "told you so"....AMD will pull ahead... fanboys will cheer AMD and say that the death of Intel is soon to come... Intel will catch up and Intel people will say "told you so"....

[Tin]

Originally Posted by HAL9000 What will come.... AMD will pull ahead... fanboys will cheer AMD and say that the death of Intel is soon to come... Intel will catch up and Intel people will say "told you so"....AMD will pull ahead... fanboys will cheer AMD and say that the death of Intel is soon to come... Intel will catch up and Intel people will say "told you so"....AMD will pull ahead... fanboys will cheer AMD and say that the death of Intel is soon to come... Intel will catch up and Intel people will say "told you so"....AMD will pull ahead... fanboys will cheer AMD and say that the death of Intel is soon to come... Intel will catch up and Intel people will say "told you so"....AMD will pull ahead... fanboys will cheer AMD and say that the death of Intel is soon to come... Intel will catch up and Intel people will say "told you so"....AMD will pull ahead... fanboys will cheer AMD and say that the death of Intel is soon to come... Intel will catch up and Intel people will say "told you so"....AMD will pull ahead... fanboys will cheer AMD and say that the death of Intel is soon to come... Intel will catch up and Intel people will say "told you so"....AMD will pull ahead... fanboys will cheer AMD and say that the death of Intel is soon to come... Intel will catch up and Intel people will say "told you so"....AMD will pull ahead... fanboys will cheer AMD and say that the death of Intel is soon to come... Intel will catch up and Intel people will say "told you so"....AMD will pull ahead... fanboys will cheer AMD and say that the death of Intel is soon to come... Intel will catch up and Intel people will say "told you so"....AMD will pull ahead... fanboys will cheer AMD and say that the death of Intel is soon to come... Intel will catch up and Intel people will say "told you so"....

What he said...lol

[Cricket]

Originally Posted by hitchface Well, I've been doing some more reading around, and have gleaned some more information. They have finally jumped on the quad-core bandwagon, which was exciting because the only thing they had going for them was the Quad-FX platform. Not only that, but they have their very own brand spankin' new chipset! If they can gain as good a reputation pairing that chipset with their processors a Intel has, they might just have some fight left in them! Aside from that, they are looking to reallr revolutionize the way processors are used. Multiple chips, all purpose processors, its all really cool to think about. Either way, the big question is how they plan on implementing their new strategies in a cost-effective and energy efficient way. They know full well that even their fans will switch to Intel if the next big wave is dominated by them. Anyways, What I see here is a game of catchup, with a bit of innovation thrown into the mix.

As HAL9000 so eloquently pointed out it's just history repeating itself...one company will rule the roost for a few years and then the other company will take the lead and so on and so forth.

Cricket

[hitchface]

I wasn't exactly aiming at the idea that AMD would kill Intel, but more of "Do you think that their new ideas could be really a step forward in microprocessing" or "Do you think they are still capable of really raising the bar and setting the standard" kind of questions.

I know that cycle all too well.

[HAL9000]

Well, by using the cycle posted above... the answer is of course. For one to top the other, the bar must be raised.

[Cricket]

Originally Posted by hitchface "Do you think that their new ideas could be really a step forward in microprocessing"?

Yes.

Originally Posted by hitchface "Do you think they are still capable of really raising the bar and setting the standard"?

Yes.

Cricket

[hitchface]

Man, you guys are no fun.

Discuss? Is that the missing word?

[HAL9000]

LOL... well it was too easy to answer.

[cuog]

Its just a matter of course in the technology industry, since it changes so fast it is hard for a single company to take the lead and leave the other(s) in the dust. This competition between Intel and AMD is the best thing for us the consumer, each one will work hard to one up the other and bring newer, better, and cheaper technology to us.

[Kuch]

I'm not even sure that Intel or AMD are trying to keep up with each other so much that I think they are calculating what to release and how to make the most money off each released product. I'm sure they have technology that would make our collective heads explode but they are biding their time to make the most amount of money from the lesser products. I imagine that if either company really wanted to drive the other out of business that they could format a plan to do so; but the truth is that competition between the two is better for them from a business stand point.

[jimmyrules712]

Originally Posted by HAL9000 What will come.... AMD will pull ahead... fanboys will cheer AMD and say that the death of Intel is soon to come... Intel will catch up and Intel people will say "told you so"....AMD will pull ahead... fanboys will cheer AMD and say that the death of Intel is soon to come... Intel will catch up and Intel people will say "told you so"....AMD will pull ahead... fanboys will cheer AMD and say that the death of Intel is soon to come... Intel will catch up and Intel people will say "told you so"....AMD will pull ahead... fanboys will cheer AMD and say that the death of Intel is soon to come... Intel will catch up and Intel people will say "told you so"....AMD will pull ahead... fanboys will cheer AMD and say that the death of Intel is soon to come... Intel will catch up and Intel people will say "told you so"....AMD will pull ahead... fanboys will cheer AMD and say that the death of Intel is soon to come... Intel will catch up and Intel people will say "told you so"....AMD will pull ahead... fanboys will cheer AMD and say that the death of Intel is soon to come... Intel will catch up and Intel people will say "told you so"....AMD will pull ahead... fanboys will cheer AMD and say that the death of Intel is soon to come... Intel will catch up and Intel people will say "told you so"....AMD will pull ahead... fanboys will cheer AMD and say that the death of Intel is soon to come... Intel will catch up and Intel people will say "told you so"....AMD will pull ahead... fanboys will cheer AMD and say that the death of Intel is soon to come... Intel will catch up and Intel people will say "told you so"....AMD will pull ahead... fanboys will cheer AMD and say that the death of Intel is soon to come... Intel will catch up and Intel people will say "told you so"....

hal, why do you always make "amd people" sound like idiots, and "intel people" sound wise?

"AMD fanboys" vs "Intel people"
Intel death soon to come" vs "I told you so"

I don't consider myself biased, I've been recommending the core 2 duo since it came out. But your bias is so obvious, and it always bugs me...

Hal's point is correct though. It's been going back and forth for years. Most likely, this is the part of the cycle where AMD has fallen behind. And most likely, they will do something to pull ahead and then intel will be in the same boat.

[HAL9000]

Well, it comes from experience... heck, even when I was in the computer business, I would get on a regular basis, the "fanboy".... the person that would come in, not wanting to buy anything, but rather spew off his 100 reasons why an AMD is better than an Intel (even when Intel is in the lead)... I would literally have to push them out the door if it was AMD in the lead at the time. Not to say there aren't Intel fanboys.... but the ratio of them that I would experience was always much lower... heck, just do a username search with the words AMD and Intel, you find 14 users using AMD in their name (although a couple sound not impressed) and only 2 using Intel as their name (one obviously a fanboy)... history repeats itself.

You say my bias is always so obvious, but you've always selectively left out what I have said about AMD. I've never had anything against their chips and would consider one on an nForce chipset... I have previously owned one in the past on an Intel chipset (many moons ago)... and I would consider owning another one if Intel were to ever make another chipset OR if the rumor is true that AMD is going to be supplying their own chipsets. My bias is more heavily weighted on everyone going on and on about an AMD being cheaper, but they throw it on a crap VIA chipset and price the Intel on an Intel chipset. I won't even go into about VIA not being crap... I've heard it for over 10 years.. everyone says theirs is stable, yet when a new one comes out, they admit that it wasn't and so on.... history repeats itself.

My statement holds true... you can find it on these forums... AMD people stating "nail in the coffin" for Intel while the Intel side is stating Intel will come around = I told you so... and then as I stated in my first post, the cycle will continue... history repeats itself.

Am I baised towards Intel... sure... but when something works for you, you tend to stay with it.... just like my bias against a Ford... I'll never make that mistake again, but people will argue against me that a Ford is the best thing since sliced bread and assume I am GM biased because I have a Pontiac... little do they know.... BTW, I would consider GM and Ford owners to be equally "fanboyish"... but I don't see that so much out of others.

[David M]

Nobody really knows what the future holds for both companies. The best estimate that can be made is judging the future by the past. Given that, one cannot say with certainty that AMD will or will not come back strong. I feel fortunate that Intel has a competitor and is not a monopoly.

[hitchface]

Granted the competition is good for us, there is no argument there. What are your thoughts on the newer technologies they could be bringing, and how could you see it put into action? Do you think the APU idea is a good one?

[Lamp_light]

I think that all the cool stuff look like its coming out in/ after 2008 and don't think they will pull ahead until then.

[glc]

All you AMD fanboys do is spew reasons why AMD is the greatest thing since sliced bread and how they perform SO much better for SO much less money - and jump all over us Intel "fanboys" when we try to say OURS is better - but when the tables are turned you can't handle it. This is why we have been shutting down AMD/Intel debates, they accomplish NOTHING productive.

Hal - much as I like my Ford, you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

[The_YongGrand]

I'm wondering, what's with all this war about "Intel vs AMD"? For me, it ain't a difference to me when I can buy what I want and buy what I need. If it's cheap, economical and good, I'll choose that one.

Nowadays, the new Pentium E is cheap and nice. I'm choosin' it right now. If there's another cheaper alternative to it, I'm choosin' the another one. No offense.

[doubledragon5]

I have built 3 AMD macines and one Intel one.. I always went with AMD because of cost. But when I put my younger daughters machine together I went with Intel. I will say one thing her machine is faster than my current one in my sig go figure...

[Pride]

I own and AMD 4600+ but im no AMD fanboy i would LOVE to have a c2d but my opinion is that Intel's current quad core isn't exactly a TRUE quad core.

I think that AMD will show people what a quad-core really is and will put intel to shame. Unfortunately its going to be very expensive im sure AMD usually is. On top of that most likely you will need to buy a new mobo because AM2 will bottleneck it if it's backwards compatible.

I do think it will be very exciting to see the power im exspecting. At the same time just a normal c2d processor is totally overkill i mean it is future proof it will be a few years before software catches up to use a c2d much less its full power.

quad core is TOO much overboard im not sure if it is so smart to get ahead of everything like processors are at the moment.

[HAL9000]

Ummm 4 cores on a chip... = quad core... not sure what you're talking about....

[The_YongGrand]

I wouldn't worry about which one is better or which one is greater. As long as it fits one's needs, every company and customer is a winner. If I'm using MRI machines, I might be choosing the Xeons over the Opterons (maybe because they are cheaper and cooler), and if I'm making a simple HTPC, I'll just stick in an Athlon64 3000+ inside. Well, the world still spin and the day and night is still there.

[Jester]

Pride is saying that intels quad core is not a true quad core because it is 2 cores on 2 dies. It's AMD propaganda because they will have 4 cores on 1 die.

[HAL9000]

I know exactly what Pride is saying and my post was meant as sarcasm.

Originally Posted by Pride I own and AMD 4600+ but im no AMD fanboy i would LOVE to have a c2d but my opinion is that Intel's current quad core isn't exactly a TRUE quad core. I think that AMD will show people what a quad-core really is and will put intel to shame.

I'm sorry, you have 4 cores on one chip that you put in one socket, I really don't care if it's 4 separate cores, 2 doubles, a triple and a single, you have a quad core processor. I'm sorry Pride, but you have just totally backed what GLC and I have said in defense to jimmyrules712 with the last statement there. Even if that does happen.... then;

Originally Posted by HAL9000 What will come.... AMD will pull ahead... fanboys will cheer AMD and say that the death of Intel is soon to come... Intel will catch up and Intel people will say "told you so"....AMD will pull ahead... fanboys will cheer AMD and say that the death of Intel is soon to come... Intel will catch up and Intel people will say "told you so"....AMD will pull ahead... fanboys will cheer AMD and say that the death of Intel is soon to come... Intel will catch up and Intel people will say "told you so"....AMD will pull ahead... fanboys will cheer AMD and say that the death of Intel is soon to come... Intel will catch up and Intel people will say "told you so"....AMD will pull ahead... fanboys will cheer AMD and say that the death of Intel is soon to come... Intel will catch up and Intel people will say "told you so"....AMD will pull ahead... fanboys will cheer AMD and say that the death of Intel is soon to come... Intel will catch up and Intel people will say "told you so"....AMD will pull ahead... fanboys will cheer AMD and say that the death of Intel is soon to come... Intel will catch up and Intel people will say "told you so"....AMD will pull ahead... fanboys will cheer AMD and say that the death of Intel is soon to come... Intel will catch up and Intel people will say "told you so"....AMD will pull ahead... fanboys will cheer AMD and say that the death of Intel is soon to come... Intel will catch up and Intel people will say "told you so"....AMD will pull ahead... fanboys will cheer AMD and say that the death of Intel is soon to come... Intel will catch up and Intel people will say "told you so"....AMD will pull ahead... fanboys will cheer AMD and say that the death of Intel is soon to come... Intel will catch up and Intel people will say "told you so"....

[David M]

Lets just hope AMD never falls by the wayside. Intel needs the competition to keep prices down for us consumers.

Besides, other than gamers, who cares how much faster the fastest Intel chip is over the fastest AMD chip? The difference is not relevant for the vast majority of computer users. Much is being made about relatively nothing in this thread.

[glc]

Much is being made about relatively nothing in this thread.

And most other similar threads.

[HAL9000]

Originally Posted by David M Lets just hope AMD never falls by the wayside. Intel needs the competition to keep prices down for us consumers.

EXACTLY!!... I don't want either to die... it wouldn't be good for the consumer.

Originally Posted by David M Besides, other than gamers, who cares how much faster the fastest Intel chip is over the fastest AMD chip? The difference is not relevant for the vast majority of computer users. Much is being made about relatively nothing in this thread.

Again, right on the money. I'm still on a P4 2.4Ghz on an obsolete (from a technical point of view) 400Mhz FSB... There's a lot of machines out there that will kick my machine's chips around the block when it comes to the latest and greatest games... but from a realistic point of view, they don't do what I do on my machine any faster.

[hitchface]

Hey folks, this wasn't ever designed to be an AMD vs Intel thread...as a matter of fact, I don't believe I displayed any hostility towards one or the other in my original post at all! I said that Intel had awesome chipsets, and that AMD might have a good tech on their hands.

The idea was to discuss up and coming technology (hence the APU-related link) and its possible benefits. Let's not start a fanboy debate when there was clearly no intention of it and stay on topic.

[Kareeser]

I'm not exactly looking forward... in fact, my next computer is going to be a 1.6 GHz AM2 Sempron, only because it's the cheapest CPU model my local store has... and because I've never built an AMD machine before.

Once that's done, I can have a harmonic balance of custom built machines. 1 Intel, 1 AMD...

Prices are going down late April, right?

[HAL9000]

I don't think you need to be too concerned hitchface, things in this conversation aren't so much the which is better debate and everything here is still being kept on a civil level... if not, the thread would have been closed already.