Mild rant

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[faulkner132]

Originally Posted by mairving Not true. You can still get XP on Dell's. You just have to order them under small business.

You have to provide Dell with a valid Tax ID number (EIN) when ordering through small business, otherwise they might reject your order.

[hitchface]

Statica: thanks for the clarification. Yes, s/w vendors have been contacted. Symantec claims that pcAnywhere 12.1 works with Vista, as expected. Even still, as impressed as I recently became with the co-ordination you were talking about, it still seems a little too flawed. Should we just accept that every new O/S will be released with a bunch of problems, or should we be looking for a higher standard? It doesn't seem right to just carry on in the same old direction.

PR: my posts on this issue aren't ALL over PCM if they are in only 2 threads. And yeah, I know that it is my fault that I didn't find out about Dell's XP machines. I checked s/w vendor's websites as necessary, the transition looked to be smooth, so I took the opportunity. NOW I have a Vista loaded machine that doesn't run the stuff it was supposed to. If both ends are saying "It's his fault!", what good is it to me? My rant? Vista isn't ready because the software for it isn't ready either. If we could please stop calling me an ignorant buyer when I did all that I felt was in my power, I'd like that. From my chair, the ONLY option was to get a new laptop. HAD to be done, so I did it.

[Pride]

Originally Posted by hitchface Statica: thanks for the clarification. Yes, s/w vendors have been contacted. Symantec claims that pcAnywhere 12.1 works with Vista, as expected. Even still, as impressed as I recently became with the co-ordination you were talking about, it still seems a little too flawed. Should we just accept that every new O/S will be released with a bunch of problems, or should we be looking for a higher standard? It doesn't seem right to just carry on in the same old direction.

If they say it works then it DOES work. You are just having personal issues.

LOL i used to live in Battle Creek i moved to Florida about a year ago. But my grandpa just took a Vacation fron 80-85º Florida and went to michigan LOL his calls are hilarious not only that but only 2 or 3 days in michigan and he catches a gold.

[Statica]

Originally Posted by hitchface Statica: thanks for the clarification. Yes, s/w vendors have been contacted. Symantec claims that pcAnywhere 12.1 works with Vista, as expected. Even still, as impressed as I recently became with the co-ordination you were talking about, it still seems a little too flawed. Should we just accept that every new O/S will be released with a bunch of problems, or should we be looking for a higher standard? It doesn't seem right to just carry on in the same old direction.

Look there are 3 options you can go about resolution of stability problems:
FIRST OPTION: Dont go for something that's bleeding edge. If you cannot deal with growing issues then stay away from the latest versions of ANYTHING .. be it hardware or software. Stay away from the latest hardware on your production system because they are bound to have revisions to correct issues. Stay away from brand new software versions .. be it an operating system .. or just something as common as an accounting software.
SECOND OPTION: Stay with a platform that is pretty much as closed source as possible. For example a Mac. Nearly everything will work for the Mac because Apple just needs to test on ONE set of hardware parameters. Be prepared to spend a fortune on your computing!
or
THIRD OPTION: Do your due diligence. If you are going to select bleeding edge solutions on your-way-hardware then be prepared to do your homework before you get started and be prepared to embark on a learning curve. I've said it before with Linux-ers coming to Alt-OS saying how crappy the platform is - just because you've used a computer before doesn't mean you know everything about it. A person new to the Linux world needs to spend some time understanding it and learning it before passing a judgment. Same with Vista, just because it's got the word "Windows" in it's name doesn't mean that you know everything about it. Spend sometime doing your homework, on what's changed .. and what's remained the same. Find out what works for it and what doesn't before you jump into it.

Keep in mind that every software has a compatibility set written on it .. in fact it should be the first thing you should be looking at when buying software.

With all due respect to your doing your homework before choosing the Vista platform. I have a hard time taking your rants seriously at all. At no point in this thread have you pointed out that pcAnywhere 12.1 is in beta! The current stable release for pcAnywhere is 12.0. The system requirements for pcAnywhere 12.0 is http://www.symantec.com/home_homeoff...=pf&pvid=pca12
pcAnywhere 12.1 - the Vista compatible one that you keep alluding to - is in beta as in NOT COMPLETE ,.. as in MAY HAVE BUGS .. use at your discretion!

So now you've come on and posted a whole lot about Vista not working right, and presented your opinion without a complete representation of the facts. Unfortunately, this happens way too often on the internet, where opinions sound louder than most facts.

Should OS manufacturers be held to a high standard? Of course, but no higher than any other s/w manufacturer that sits on your system. The platform developers establish a set of rules and subsequent safeguards by which the program will run by - sometimes these rules can be violated, the onus now is on the OS mfger to correct those rules by establishing stringent safeguards. Sometimes 3rd party s/w break the rules or do something that compromises other rules. It is now on the s/w maker to patch it out.

Finally, we're talking about Symantec here .. personally I'd be shocked even if their gold versions worked as their supposed to on 7 year old platforms.

[mairving]

Originally Posted by faulkner132 You have to provide Dell with a valid Tax ID number (EIN) when ordering through small business, otherwise they might reject your order.

Only if you don't pay sales tax. I have ordered from them before and they have never asked me to validate any company.

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After reading this thread over again.. I think enuf has been said... thread closed.