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10-25-2001, 08:41 PM
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I like this post. I love stuff that, for a lack of better words, pisses other people off. I am a fan of entropy, too. This like my old arguments class, where we had to construct arguments are refute those of others based on facts. I liked when others shot down everyone of my arguments. I have grown accustomed to throwing my opinions out and not having any sentimental attachment to them. While this makes me somewhat easy to persuade, it allows me to accept criticism (and ultimately abuse) much better than most. Unfortunately, others do not have this trait, and feel hurt when their ideas are tossed back at them. And that is exactly what everyone has done in this thread. I love it! Ah, Memories.
One thing that I did not see the answer to was Confused's post "How does registration work with 2 PC's at home?" I always thought you could install software with a single license on any computer that you routinely use. Respectfully, Demosthenes |
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10-25-2001, 09:11 PM
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I want to echo the kudos for Reboot. He has done an outstanding job putting together a lot of good information about WindowsXP. I'm with Sarge on this one though. So far I haven't seen a good reason to spend $ to upgrade. I suspect that overtime I will become very acquainted with XP, at least at the office.
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10-25-2001, 09:21 PM
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Thanx Reboot. As usual you have given of your knowledge to the uninformed. It's too bad some of them choose not to listen. I will be buying XP as soon as it's available in my area. I would still like to know if I can use one copy for both my computers!
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10-25-2001, 09:22 PM
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It's always technically been one license, one machine - and now they are trying to make it a lot harder to get around that.
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10-26-2001, 07:37 AM
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clean install for XP
Well this a lively discussion!! I'm with ya Reboot. After two yrs of fighting with ME, I'm ready for a change. Reboot you have presented XP in a very fair and comprehensive way that I have not seen anywhere else. I'm not going to listen to the uninformed-flamers that replied, they will learn in time. No new OS is going to be perfect as first. For the gammers' complaints about compatibility, the games will catch up or they won't be around. Simple as that!
I don't mean to ask a stupid question, but, I want to be clear on how to do a "clean install". I have Me now and don't want to carry any junk-baggage to XP. I have always just install a new OS over the top of my existing OS. I don't think that's a clean install. Could someone tell me the exact procedure to complete a clean install from ME to XP. I will be buying the XP Home edition upgrade most likely. thankx |
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10-26-2001, 08:46 AM
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I too think that reboot has done his very best in this thread. As is usual for him.
 For me though, I'm for using what you like best and works for you. Microsoft won't be getting anymore money from me. I've switched to all Linux. Mostly because of XP. It's not that I think they are evil or even a monoply, I don't. They have every right to make a living too. And I think that XP IS the best they've ever done so far. At least from the little I've seen of it. But I need to make a living too. And I cannot justify the cost of the software and hardware upgrades I would need to do. So, bye-bye Microsoft, hello Linux. I feel I'm getting the best bang for my buck. For anyone else, use XP, I don't think you will be disappointed in it. Just my .02. OOPS!
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10-26-2001, 09:09 AM
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Nice add for linux OOPS, but my question has to do with a clean install of XP
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10-26-2001, 09:50 AM
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If it's like windows 2000, which it probably is, when you pop the XP CD in there, it'll ask you if you want to do a clean install or install over your current OS. If you choose clean install, you then choose FAT32 or NTFS file system, then it formats your drive with your chosen file system, then installs XP.
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10-26-2001, 10:04 AM
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Max Payne
"... Max Payne and Commandos 2 do not officially support XP..."
Note: Even if Max Payne was not officially designed to support XP, it still works perfectly. I beat the game under XP and didn't have any problems. |
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10-26-2001, 10:53 AM
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Yeah but for the people who run into problems,
theres not much Remedy will do for you. |
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10-26-2001, 10:55 AM
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Here's what a *clean install* is to me. Fdisk, format C:,and install new OS. Insert old OS when requested and continue. I read one post in here about doing a fresh install of Win98 and then install XP over top of it. I don't understand why. But maybe some one can explain it to me?
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10-26-2001, 11:31 AM
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This is just a guess, but maybe you have to do a fresh install of Windows 98 before upgrading to WindowsXP if you only have an upgrade copy of Windows 98 and WindowsXP doesn't upgrade from your full version of Windows 95 or Windows 3.1. Just a guess. I too would like to hear the real answer.
By the way I just received an email from a non-techie lawyer I know. The following was totally unsolicited. "OK, I bought into the XP hype. I went out yesterday and purchased XP. I had dreams that it would end some of the stability problems I am having with ME (not myself and I). Prior to loading XP you are given the opportunity to have XP check for compatibility issues with your drivers and software. "XP noted that my NEC laser printer, HPK60(all in one), my keyboard(multifunction - Gateway)needed new drivers. Then I went to look for the new XP drivers. NEC - not available, HP K60 - not available until April 2002. "Software problems/compatility issues with: DirectCD 3 Adobe Acrobat 4 Easy CD Creator 4 NetBEUI protocol Creative Labs SoundBlaster DVD Movie Player" He tells me that he is taking WindowsXP back to the vendor. Is XP ready for prime time? CH Last edited by Computer Hobbyist; 10-26-2001 at 11:49 AM. |
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10-26-2001, 12:21 PM
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If I do a clean install, letting XP fdisk or format, won't that delete my data & other programs on my hardrive??
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10-26-2001, 12:38 PM
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first XP will not automatically fdisk and format. You have to do it. Usually thru a start up disk. Yes you will lose ALL information on that drive. That's why it's called a *clean* install. You will remove everything and start with a *clean* drive. Backup any files that you want saved and restore them after the clean install!! I do this about every six months with Win ME, as do a lot of people!
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10-26-2001, 12:52 PM
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OK, new thread for the pics and stuff...
Here's the answers to a few of the above questions. I hope I get them all... KoOk, well put, not argumentative, but logical, and opinionated. Welcome to the forums  Sarge and mc2phat, the old adage still works, "If it works, don't fix it", especially true when it comes to relationships. My wife won't "go to XP" for probably another 3 months, when her 98 box BSOD's yet again... mairving, only a couple, but I have big shoulders  Demosthenes and TEEB: AFAIK, a second activation license will cost approx 10-15% less than the original...I can't find much on that topic, but a quick call to MS would sort it out. There's GOT TO BE A BETTER WAY!  Right now, I'd guess a purchase of the "Corporate" version would work for up to 5 computers...bring $$$ (sucks)...bozo and others, to do a "clean install", prep the drive as you would in win98, fdisk, partition, make the first partition active, format. Set the computer to boot from the CD, install. Option #2, prep the disk as above, browse the CD for the setup.exe file. If you don't have it, browse to the i386 folder, and run the file "winnt.exe". Computer Hobbyist, the upgrade advisor is right in most cases. The NEC printer will work with the Win2k drivers, as will the keyboard. Adaptec (Roxio) products all have upgrades available already to work with XP. Acrobat simply needs to be reinstalled, NETBEUI is available in the "Addons" folder on the XP CD, Creative has SB drivers available, and the DVD I don't know about, BUT...the WMP included with XP will play DVD's, so... |
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10-26-2001, 01:41 PM
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Reboot,
I have forwarded the info to the lawyer. You might have saved him a trip back to Office Depot. Thanks. (I actually called you the most knowledgeable WindowsXP advocate I know.) CH |
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10-26-2001, 02:31 PM
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I used to think that an upgrade version would only switch the files necessary to upgrade from the previous version. (like when you install a new version of Counter-Strike, if you've ever played that game) For instance, if you upgrade from 98 to ME, the ME upgrade program only made the changes necessary to get ME up and running. So that your final product from using the ME upgrade version was the 98 files that were still used in ME + the new ME files. I figured that this "patchwork" version would give more problems than just a fresh install from a full version of ME. So that's was my reasoning. Guess I was wrong. |
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10-26-2001, 02:51 PM
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I've installed XP both as an upgrade, and a clean install.
1.) Upgrade over existing (full of programs, unstable) 98. Seems to have no problems. The upgrade advisor will notify you of all the software (and hardware) you have that won't work with XP. Nice way to go, so you can find out what software and drivers updates you need before you actually do the upgrade. 2. Upgrade over existing clean, new 98. No troubles. Upgrade advisor will let you know about any driver issues, but you'll have to find out the hard way if all your programs will work, by installing them one at a time. 3. Clean install. Obviously best. Upgrade advisor will let you know about any hardware issues, but can't notify you of outdated drivers or software. Again, you'll find out the hard way. Here's what I found is probably the best option. Upgrade to XP over top of your existing 98. Let the upgrade advisor do it's thing, and take note of what it says. Cancel the install. Go get any updated drivers and software you can (some are not released yet, obviously). Extract those drivers to a folder or floppy, ready for the install. Run the install, update drivers/software as needed. If, after all this, you find it buggy, you can uninstall easily, and be running back on 98 in less than an hour. If you like it, and it's running stable, leave it. If you like it, but it's not as good as you'd like, format, and do #2 or #3 above. Now you may understand my reasoning for doing an upgrade over a fresh 98 install. Not the best choice. AFAIK, the upgrade disk DOES allow for a clean install, you just need proof of purchase of a windows98/ME Cd to pop in when prompted. Hobbyist, thanks for the compliment! :blush: troysvihl, upgrading from 98 to ME is a WHOLE different thing. They're based on the same kernel, and thus you would be right, the upgrade would only rewrite the necessary files needed to "make" the OS become ME. Upgrading from 9x/Me to XP is completely different, as the upgrade completely rewrites the OS. About the only thing that stays the same is the disk format (FAT32), and that can be changed later. Last edited by reboot; 10-26-2001 at 02:57 PM. |
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10-26-2001, 03:28 PM
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I think my whole confusion on my part is moot though, since after checking prices, it appears that the upgrade version of XP is more expensive that the full OEM version. So if I do go to XP, I'll be getting the full version and not the upgrade, and it won't matter if you can do a fresh install of XP from an upgrade version. (rather than upgrading parts of 2k to get to XP) Allthough, knowing that you can do a completely fress install of ME, straight from the upgrade version may come in handy in the meantime while I'm waiting to get XP. Last edited by troysvihl; 10-26-2001 at 03:30 PM. |
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10-26-2001, 04:31 PM
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I would assume that the upgrade version is cheaper as the owner of previous OS has already 'paid his/her dues'. With an upgrade version, one has the option to install over another OS OR the ability to do a clean install ... a clean install much like what the full version would allow. Now the following part is where I'm not too sure about: if you have a full version, would one be able to install it on top of an older version? My guess is that it would not. Can someone please confirm that? [added edits to clarify even more]
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10-26-2001, 05:43 PM
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In most cases one can install the full version as an upgrade over an existing one. XP will not, thus buying the full version seems like a terrible waste of money. The upgrade version will allow a full install, providing you have a qualifying product.
The OEM versions are the same as the full versions (AFAIK), but are much cheaper than the fancy one in the box, thus an OEM full version may actually be selling for less than a RETAIL upgrade version. |
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10-26-2001, 05:58 PM
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One more point. I read, quite awhile ago, that XP would include a fax app. Did that idea ever go ahead?
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10-26-2001, 06:20 PM
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Checking pricewatch today, the OEM version is about $100 and the upgrade version at Amazon is $100. So, I see no reason to get the upgrade version.
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Because many of the people who have been "pirating" for home use all these years have been tweakers, professionals, and other opinion makers who have often promoted Microsoft software to businesses and casual users, and those people will now have a greater incentive to look at Linux and other open source OS's, I happen to think MS is being foolish, but that its legal right. CH Last edited by Computer Hobbyist; 10-26-2001 at 07:18 PM. |
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10-29-2001, 03:22 PM
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After following all these posts I believe I will have to go with XP now rather than later. I just bought a new HD so it will be blank ready for input. I might as well do it now (potential bugs and all) rather than later when my drive is full or of programs, data, drivers, etc. Based on the review by reboot and others I believe he is saying I should use my full install W98 as my qualifying product and then purchase the XP upgrade only rather than the full.
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10-29-2001, 06:05 PM
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Hmmm, I have three computers that are lanned for gaming- these computers are not connected to the internet. Not much chance that I'm going to shell out more than $300 to upgrade them and then wait hours on the phone trying to activate them. So looks like MS's activation nonsense cost them a sale. Wonder if I could buy one copy and then just reinstall it every 30 days on the other computers-- nope, that would be evil, please forgive me for having such a wicked thought
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11-05-2001, 09:15 PM
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Did we determine this?
Reboot, good job, great info, you're the man.
What, then, in everbody's opinion, would be the best gaming OS? 98SE 2K or XP?
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11-06-2001, 06:54 AM
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I actually find 'Change' is always painful for most of us, humans. I remember I cant' give up my favourite shoes that have serve me well for over 3 years ! And when I did my shopping, I just couldn't find a replacement for my favourite shoes !
But I think for those of you who have a bit of extra money and time for christmas, it's not a bad idea to fiddle with this new 'toy', it's for the good. . Always the case . |
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