they are shutting down torrents

[id10x]

shutting torrents sites

after [torrent site A] now [torrent site B] , that site had such treasures of knowledge

must always money destroys everything good in this life

[jdeb]

Torrents are useful for downloading legit programs and files but you are always going to have people who are not ethical.

[Force Flow]

Those types of sites are typically distributing software and media illegally.

You could say that the owners of the content are saying that pirates are "destroying everything good in this life". Hence, they were forced or encouraged to shut down.

[Tin]

Originally Posted by Force Flow Those types of sites are typically distributing software and media illegally.

Bingo. On top of that, a change of habits goes a long way in this scenario. For instance, theres tons of open source software out there thats very similar to the paid-for software. I use about 95% open source software, everything from my programs to my operating systems. Software developers dont see any money from me unless I choose to donate to them. From my perspective, most people will do just fine running open source software. Every type of program your average person would view as a necessity is available in an open source variant. If you need something more specialized, there may be an open source equivalent. If not, pony up the cash. The big problem there is most people believe they have to pay for software, because either at the workplace or with their prebuilt computer, they were presented a piece of closed source software and arent even aware of the open source variants. If I had to pay for the closed source equivalents of the software I regularly use, Id have a bill in the thousands.

[id10x]

yes but with 5 million files on that web that is a loss for human knowledge
its like burning the biggest libraries in the world . i even have doubts they have
plans to limit the internet beyond the copy rights thing

[Force Flow]

Originally Posted by id10x yes but with 5 million files on that web that is a loss for human knowledge its like burning the biggest libraries in the world . i even have doubts they have plans to limit the internet beyond the copy rights thing

Knowledge? To what what knowledge are you referring to?

You absolutely cannot compare the offerings of a site full of pirated materials to the materials offered--legally--at a library.

[Tin]

Originally Posted by id10x its like burning the biggest libraries in the world .

In what way? Lets see, theres a fee to have a membership at the local library. That entitles you to check out books, movies, and CDs. On the flipside, there are things such as Hulu, Netflix, and Spotify. They too, have a fee, which entitles you to view or listen to media at your leisure. Nothing is being lost. In this age of digital material, its much easier to archive works, as its more of an abstract material that can be easily stored and backed up, versus a concrete piece that needs to be protected in order to maintain its integrity. If anything, the works created today will be much easier to preserve than those made only a few decades ago.

[doubledragon5]

The one thing I have against some open source software such as Linux is it not very user friendly imop. I have tried Linux many time, and still have a hard time figuring out how to do the simplest things such as installing additional programs.. Plus I'm not sure a lot of games people play can be installed on a Linux box..

I use to download software from illegal sites, but since have moved away from that, because my conscience, won't allow it and it is well illegal..

[Tin]

Originally Posted by doubledragon5 The one thing I have against some open source software such as Linux is it not very user friendly imop.

In my experiences and observations, the biggest mistake people make with Linux is treating it like Windows. I did exactly that my first few weeks with Linux. The only similarity is in the desktop environment. Under the hood, theyre two completely different animals. Once you free yourself from the Windows way, Linux really isnt that difficult. Even on the CLI its not too hard. The commands are pretty self explanatory, as most are abbreviations for the tasks they perform. For instance; mv = move, chown = change owner, cp = copy, rm = remove, ls = list, and so on. Believe it or not, Ive found it somewhat easier to teach people Linux who have little computer experience, vs somebody thats a Windows power user. The beauty of Linux lies in its ability to string commands together, something you cant do on Windows. Windows involves clicking a series of buttons to do one task at a time. In Linux, I can pipe commands together and get an exponential amount of work done in comparison to Windows.

[David M]

Why not offer a torrent site where the terms of use are that none of the files be stolen material? Is that a stupid question?

[id10x]

there is a lot of old stuff their no one want to sell like old movies songs lots
of free s/w old games , its just lots of fun . do u think ea cares for the copy rights
of a 5 yo game ? they dont remember what game they did yesterday
bf3 made 50 millions first week of sales i dont see haw s/w is suffering

[David M]

It is irrelevant if someone is stealing something of great value to you or not. It is still stealing and it is still your property.

Low value is no justification for theft.

[Force Flow]

Originally Posted by Tin In what way? Lets see, theres a fee to have a membership at the local library.

Public or private?

All the libraries around here are public and are completely free (unless you are late to return what you borrowed, of course).

[David M]

Not exactly free...taxpayer supported.

I was looking through the computer section of my library. I hope nobody actually checks out those books to learn about the latest 80286 processor or how to use a punch card machine.

[rwest]

The last time I looked at the computer section of our local library, I saw "windows 98 for dummy's'
If you really want a current book on new software, you have to reserve it. Which is easy to do btw.

[Force Flow]

Originally Posted by David M Not exactly free...taxpayer supported.

You know what I meant

[rwest]

Well I know I've said this before:
There not a tech alive who's not 'at least', just a bit, anal-retentive.

You can't be a good tech and not have this quality. and yes, I said quality.

[edfair]

Quote DavidM:
I hope nobody actually checks out those books to learn about the latest 80286 processor or how to use a punch card machine.

Granted that there probably are very few punch cards machines still running but understanding how the parts (EAM processing) fit together would be helpful to people setting up systems. There is over a 100 year history there that generated a whole lot of best practices with regard to data processing.

Although I've taken my share of kidding about using the term "unit record" I still use it occasionally when I really mean a "data base record".

[id10x]

dose those libraries have 4 millions files in them ?

guys i dunno why u have the idea that i am promoting piracy on one of the
most strict supervised forum on the net .

am not ok ? bt was not illegal .

they cant close torrents anyway [removed] have all the files they are after and
they cant close it there is [removed] and hordes of them closing [removed]
did not sole anything

[Force Flow]

Originally Posted by id10x dose those libraries have 4 millions files in them ?

If a library doesn't have something, you can generally put in a request for it. However, pirates are generally able release things on or before a release/publish date. A library typically won't have it available right away. But--a library *will* obtain it legally.

What is an example of something you would like to obtain?

guys i dunno why u have the idea that i am promoting piracy on one of the most strict supervised forum on the net .

Because you keep mentioning sites that are full of and blatantly promote illegal content.

am not ok ? bt was not illegal .

The bittorrent technology is perfectly legal to use. In fact, some content distribution networks (like steam, for example) use the bittorrent technology in a legal manner to distribute legal content.

I know of some independent musicians and filmmakers who release their content for free using several methods of distribution including bittorrent technology. Because they own the copyrights of their content, they can release their content however they choose.

they cant close torrents anyway [removed] have all the files they are after and they cant close it there is [removed] and hordes of them closing [removed] did not sole anything

Distributed file sharing is difficult to shut down because they are decentralized--there is no central server housing all the files (unlike the example of napster back in the day where the files were centralized on a set of servers owned by napster). Additionally, since may of these sites are hosted overseas, US copyright laws often don't apply.

Just because they're difficult to shut down does not by any means they are legal. The sites you listed all contain illegal content.

Copyright owners actively try to monitor sites distributing illegal content and sue users for downloading the content. They also file take-down notices with the websites in question, but since many of them are hosted overseas, US copyright laws don't often apply, and thus, the sites often ignore the take-down request.

So, if you download illegal content, it's entirely possible that you will get a notice in the mail about it.

I left this discussion open in the hopes that you might come to understand the difference between sites hosting legal and illegal content.

[id10x]

so bt was illegal site ? having an illegal content on a site makes it
illegal ? i thought bt was a usa domain based site . for long years

i never thought i was visiting an underground site . seemed that it was
way to public to have the feeling that you are in a thief den

[Force Flow]

bittorrent.com is legal. The software is legal. The technology itself is legal.

What some people do with it is not.

Think of a can of spray paint. It's perfectly legal to use and purchase, right? But..if you go outside and start spraying graffiti on buildings you don't own, you're likely to be arrested and fined. This is because what you're doing with the can of spray paint is illegal.

So, the same concept applies to bittorrent.

[acr98disc]

Originally Posted by Force Flow If a library doesn't have something, you can generally put in a request for it. However, pirates are generally able release things on or before a release/publish date. A library typically won't have it available right away. But--a library *will* obtain it legally.

That's correct, I am using library extensively for a few years now, and found out real quick, that most of the stuff I am borrowing, like DVD videos, audio CD's, etc. has already been destroyed by others. It is not playable, broken, cracked, scratched, etc. People just not taking care of it, probably because it is not theirs. Library never checks it, passing stuff from one to another.

[birddog_61]

Torrent sites will never be shut down, to many of them are overseas where the governments protect them. If they shut one down 2 more pop up in its place, plus the private trackers will be almost impossible to shut down.

[Force Flow]

Originally Posted by acr98disc That's correct, I am using library extensively for a few years now, and found out real quick, that most of the stuff I am borrowing, like DVD videos, audio CD's, etc. has already been destroyed by others. It is not playable, broken, cracked, scratched, etc. People just not taking care of it, probably because it is not theirs. Library never checks it, passing stuff from one to another.

I've only had that problem once or twice over the many years I've been visiting libraries.

Do you let the librarians know that the media has been damaged, or do you just drop it in the book drop?

Originally Posted by birddog_61 Torrent sites will never be shut down, to many of them are overseas where the governments protect them. If they shut one down 2 more pop up in its place, plus the private trackers will be almost impossible to shut down.

Never say never.

[birddog_61]

Originally Posted by Force Flow I've only had that problem once or twice over the many years I've been visiting libraries. Do you let the librarians know that the media has been damaged, or do you just drop it in the book drop? Never say never.

They were going to kill p2p also, they got napster but there are more p2p services now than there were at that time. All they can do is make it difficult to do, however china will gladly tell the us courts and government to take a hike when they tell china based sites to close down.

[HAL9000]

Originally Posted by Tin In my experiences and observations, the biggest mistake people make with Linux is treating it like Windows. I did exactly that my first few weeks with Linux. The only similarity is in the desktop environment. Under the hood, theyre two completely different animals. Once you free yourself from the Windows way, Linux really isnt that difficult. Even on the CLI its not too hard. The commands are pretty self explanatory, as most are abbreviations for the tasks they perform. For instance; mv = move, chown = change owner, cp = copy, rm = remove, ls = list, and so on. Believe it or not, Ive found it somewhat easier to teach people Linux who have little computer experience, vs somebody thats a Windows power user. The beauty of Linux lies in its ability to string commands together, something you cant do on Windows. Windows involves clicking a series of buttons to do one task at a time. In Linux, I can pipe commands together and get an exponential amount of work done in comparison to Windows.

I have used Linux.. didn't mind it...learned some of the CLI and such... but I have to agree, there is NO reason, none at all, why with the constant development, they cannot implement a click to install. It's almost like the Linux developers refuse to do that to keep a separation of the people that can understand in detail how to use Linux and the point and clickers. As long as that attitude is kept, Linux is remains loosing out on a lot of popularity that could be there.

[birddog_61]

Originally Posted by HAL9000 I have used Linux.. didn't mind it...learned some of the CLI and such... but I have to agree, there is NO reason, none at all, why with the constant development, they cannot implement a click to install. It's almost like the Linux developers refuse to do that to keep a separation of the people that can understand in detail how to use Linux and the point and clickers. As long as that attitude is kept, Linux is remains loosing out on a lot of popularity that could be there.

I can't speak for all distro's, but the new versions of ubuntu and mint both have a click and instal option. The newest version of ubuntu even has a one or two click to dual boot option.

[HAL9000]

Ya.. they're slowly getting better at it... we were using Kubuntu at school and it was definitely becoming a lot more user friendly.

[birddog_61]

Originally Posted by HAL9000 Ya.. they're slowly getting better at it... we were using Kubuntu at school and it was definitely becoming a lot more user friendly.

I am not gonna lie though being that its has been hard to instal meant that only tech savy people ran it, and it made me feel like I was part of some special nerd club.