Marijuana debate

[satan]

why is marijuanna illegal, should it be? I don't think it's a matter of health, they allow cigarettes and alchohol, but no marijuana. It can be great for medicine, and I'm sure there are a lot of worse drugs then that being prescibed. What is so bad about smoking "weed", and why is it illegal? The answer is probally polical. Anyone for or against marijuana here?

[HAL9000]

Although I have never used it myself, I have been around those that do and I tell you, after working in a bar for 4 years, I would rather be in a regulated nightclub where everyone is smoking clean, unlaced pot, instead of drinking alcohol.

[LawyerRon]

Quote:
"The answer is probally polical."


It is.

[NickLuto]

I believe it is purely political. If the government had any way of getting a handle on the industry so that they make the most money, we would have legal marajuana tomorrow. However if big time pot dealers can sell it while it is illegal, what is to stop them from dominating when it is legal? The government wouldnt be regulating it, and that is why it is still illegal. It would probably be like it is just now where Big Tobacco has the government in its pocket and is making BILLIONS off of it..just my opinion and ..half-baked theory


Nick

[Jenni]

I have never smoked a cigarette, drank any sort of alcohol, or taken any illegal drug. So, what I say is based on opinion only!

I think marijuana is illegal because it is usually a "gateway" to other drugs. I had a lot of friends in high school that smoked pot all the time, and every one of them eventually tried heavier stuff. Most of them quit the other stuff and went back to smoking pot, but still, buying the pot put them into contact with people who had heavier drugs to sell.

That said, I personally wouldn't want to be around anyone under the influence of any "mind-altering substance", be it alcohol or drugs.

[HackinCowboy]

As an experienced user I would agree with Jenni in saying that it is a "gateway" drug. As often said in those after school specials. The people you chill as well as most of your dealers give you easy access to other experimental journeys. I can be high as a kite and 90% of people probably wouldn't even know it. Just from my experience and what i've seen, it effects people in different ways. Some people become dumb as a brick. This is completely opposite from me. I maintained a 3.89 gpa in HS and a 3.75 now in college (with a double major). If the government ever did legalize it they would tax the hell out of it. Mostly just to cover the health care costs related to its use.

[Scotty]

I have to agree that it is political. It is a shame that we have to do drugs in any form. I myself wasted over half of my life with drugs and by the grace of God I got free. The thing that makes me so mad is the time I wasted burnin up brain cells. I could have been something in life other than a mechanic/welder! Since I have stopped wasting my life drinkin and druggin I have learned more in the past year and that "hey, there is somethin on the other side of the fog bank". Sorry for the preaching but take it from experience cause I know the human nature( and I raised 2 boys )you will do what you want to do cause to try it your self is human! It is a shame that there is only a few that listen to the many and don't go there! If I did choose the lesser evil it would be the left handed cigs though Never got a hang over from pot!! Scotty
PS "Happy(sober)New year"!!

[Xayd]

No lies, I've done it back in college/high school. It's not a 'gateway' drug. The drug doesn't cause you to use more dangerous substances, the people that come with illegal drugs do.

Marijuana isn't 1/100th as addictive as cigarettes are.

Note that we didn't have these so-called drug 'problems' when anyone could buy heroin over the counter years ago .

[justbarron]

I have to agree with Xayed, it is not a 'gateway' drug. But one thing I disagree on is that "people that come with illegal drugs don't cause anyone to use more dangerous drugs. The drug user causes himself/herself to use more dangerous drugs. People need to learn to take responsibility for their own actions instead of blaming others. I have used Marijuana and much harder stuff when I was younger, but I don't lay the blame on anyone but myself.

justbarron

[Gintaras]

Originally posted by Xayd Marijuana isn't 1/100th as addictive as cigarettes are. [/B]

I never(actually I did-just 2 drags ), but what I was told of:

Brain damage from marijuana is 100/1 compare to cigarettes

I don't know why discussion like this should take place on PC Mech?
Maybe we should discuss sex here too? Even would be better than discuss about drugs

Here, to PC Mech comes a lot of very young kids- where all the mods are.

Don't think it's appopreciate.

[Scotty]

Ditto
Hmmm It does say General Discussion but I got more pressing problems now that I don't do drugs, it is called BLUE SCREEN !!!!!

[glc]

Gintaras brings up a good point - marijuana use/possession is illegal in the US and in most other parts of the world - but I personally don't see a problem with this discussion as long as nobody PROMOTES illegal activities. Let's try to keep the discussion within those guidelines, please. The kids get plenty of exposure to drug education in school so it's not a taboo subject by any means.

[gibsinep]

yeah i am 13 and have been through 5 drug education programs held in school. Starting fourth grade and stil in 8th. So itis no big deal to talk about drugs. I think it is funny to see how stupid (no offense meant) some of you guys are for doing drugs.

[Gintaras]

Originally posted by glc The kids get plenty of exposure to drug education in school so it's not a taboo subject by any means. [/B]

I might got wrong education.

Am I too drunk already?

Excuse me...drugs....computers....see no match...education...Columbine stays in my eyes...... Should I try?....MUST BE CRAZY

I suugest better to listen to Heavy Metal bands who care more about young people about youngsters, than pols do.... see for yourself:

From Roadracer label artists:

[Scotty]

Ditto Stay in school, stay away from drugs and be the best you can

[Gintaras]

Originally posted by gibsinep yeah i am 13 and have been through 5 drug education programs held in school. Starting fourth grade and stil in 8th. So itis no big deal to talk about drugs. I think it is funny to see how stupid (no offense meant) some of you guys are for doing drugs.

This shows you sickness of american youngsters.

What's so funny about?

Would you willing to be one of drugged criminal victims?

Or do you think(I guess your parents thought you about) that everything bad happens to everyone else in everyone else's backyard.

That's what's FUNNY?

[gibsinep]

hey let me tell the crack about saying "my parents thought" really wasent neccesary. Well if people like some of u didnt do drugs no more drug related crimes would happen. Hey drugs are an everyday thing were i live. Amsterdam NY
look it up some time and you will se drug bust everyday. The pop is only 19,000
SO it heppens in my backyard. I love how adults sterio-type kids. People like you are so narrow minded QUOTE]This shows you sickness of american youngsters[/QUOTE]
Sick minded yeh.Funny not meaning hysterical. But the extreme stupidity shown by the poeple that do drugs.

DO you have a problem with American kids?

[Gintaras]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by gibsinep
Hey drugs are an everyday thing were i live. Amsterdam NY[quote]

Change your views and as much you can views of others torwards drugs.


DRUGS ARE NO GOOD, NEVER WAS, NEVER WILL BE


Damn, If I could change that.....


I wonder, what drugs mods are on.... to let this tread go on....?

[glc]

We are moderators, not censors. As long as the discussion does not violate the rules of the forum we have no problem with almost any subject matter in the General Discussion forum. I am interested in seeing what our young people have to say about the subject, because when I was that age this subject just wasn't even broached in school, much less by parents or anyone else. Intelligent, lawful discussion encouraged - flames not welcome.

I see a very good, short, and to the point post in this thread by a 13 year old. He calls people stupid for doing drugs - this young person is starting out on the right foot if you ask me!

DRUGS ARE NO GOOD, NEVER WAS, NEVER WILL BE

I couldn't agree with you more.

[Hpro]

Marihuana is as it seems not a dangerous drug so believes everybody at least - but it can be traced back in your blood for 30 after inhaling it - so more it will eat up Brain tissue and also cause Memory damage when taken for a long time -

On the other side it's a Medicin for poeple with Eye problems - as it improves seeing and also forces other eye deseaces to decrease to some extend - as far I know in the USA a doctor has the right to prescribe Marihuana for this reason..

for anything else I just can tell you something - STAY AWAY FROM IT -

In Swiss in The city of Zurich they build a drug rehabilisztion Center - this means every Junky - (hard Drug users) can get his dayli shot form the doctor controlled by the government - and Why ? because the do not like the junkys to see dying on TOLETS in the central TRAINSTATIONS because of crossed heroin with STRICNIN... a poison - and also to keep AIDS transfer down because of dirty needles.. in Swiss it is allowed to possess 10 Grams of Gras - Weed or whatever you like to call it - but it is forbidden to DEAL with it - so no deal no dope -

AS above - if you like to ruin your life and the life of you family - that's your problem - but if not then STAY AWAY FROM ANY DRUG.!!

I think this thread should stay at top - and be a warning to anyone who even considers to "Try"!

[morriswindgate]

1. The aromatic tars ( considered the cancer causing agent in cigarettes) in one marijuana cigarette is equal to the amount found in an entire pack of Marlboro reds.

2. After smoking one marijuana cigarette the number of deformed sperm in males increases dramatically leading to a potential of mild to severe retardation in children conceived during the 1 to 10 days that it takes to come back down to normal levels.

3. In women, since they are born with all the eggs they will ever have, changes in the DNA of these eggs have been observed. This damage is not reversible.

4. Frequent use of Marijuana has been associated with the early reduction in testosterone levels in younger males.

5. Marijuana does cause damage to the neurons in the brain and this is not reversible. Although alcohol causes similar damage, marijuana seems to concentrate this damage in the memory areas of the brain.

6. Young marijuana user statistically have a higher incidence of out of wedlock pregnancy and sexually transmitted disease that even teen alcohol users.

7. It has been noted that alcohol users will try an concentrate when operating a motor vehicle while intoxicated because they are aware of the impairment. Marijuana user, when intoxicated will tend not to concentrate displaying an I don't care attitude.

8, Marijuana users are more prone to give into the suggestion to try another drug if it is offered to them. Alcohol users will usually not use a drug, unless they already use them and usually stick with the same drink of choice.

9. Marijuana users are also normally alcohol users.

10. Where statistics are kept on the number of alcohol involve car accidents, very little information is know about the number of accidents where drugs were also involved. It is estimated that this could be between 1/3 and 1/2 of all accidents attributed to alcohol.

[Jenni]

What gets me is the number of "role models" that I see every year getting busted for marijuana posession, and nothing ever happens to them. They might get fined, or suspended a game, but nothing serious. A little slap on the wrist because of who they are.

And what about all the rappers, making it look "cool" to use drugs? Anyone seen a review for the new movie "How High"? Here's a good one if you haven't: http://www.screenit.com/movies/2001/how_high.html How many of you, as parents, even know the content of the music/movies your kids listen to/watch?

[morriswindgate]

I need to add something here, In the past three years I have know three young women that were found murdered (2 since May) one 19, one 22, and one 26. In all the cases they were so-called recreational users of marijuana. The first two were last seen in areas clubs known to be drug dealing places and the other had a boyfriend that was recently arrested for dealing. All three were raped and stabbed to death, two were not found for several days in their apartments and one the murderer tried to cover their tracks by setting her apartment on fire.
I know that a lot of people who will read this are below the age of 25 and believe this would never happen to them, but the fact is, it isn't your local farmer selling the drugs, normally it is a person with previous felony convictions that is using the same drugs or others.

[audiyoda]

Recreational? Not a gateway drug? Tell that to my best friend's widow and his yet to be born son whom he will never meet or hold.

He didn't do the drugs, but the 14 year old that ran him over did. The police report stated that this kid had done pot since he was 9 (first offense). He made his way up from there (they found a variety of drugs in his system after the hit and run). This punk was from a upper middle class home in Grosse Point Woods, MI -- had everything he could have wanted in life including a stable home. But he made a choice -- a choice to do drugs. Regardles of the drug, it was illegal. And now my best friend is gone. Happy New Year to me.

-Craig

[justbarron]

I just want to say that I am personally proud of gibsinep for what he said. I wish more kids had the same attitude towards drugs as he does. Hell, he even seems to realize that people are responsible for what they do! Let's quit blaming rap artists, bad upbringing, bad parenting, and whatever else.....BLAME THE USERS!!!! If there weren't any users out there, there would be no dealers. But, I know that will never happen.

justbarron

[Charliey]

It is true that illegal drugs do cause alot of hardship and pain for people, the problems with dealers and so on. But if it was legalized, and the government controlled its distrobution, it would take away alot of the pain. You would have to deal with dealers and much of the danger would be taken out of the distrobution and use of it.

Although there would be the same problems as there are with cigaretts and alcohol.

[Toaster]

Howdy,
As a child of the 60's (the parts I remember anyways) I found total lack of control and respect for others from users.
That, and the problems caused by those operating machinery or driving autos.
In a plant I once worked, a user passed the "test" but still came to work stoned.
I left that plant because of a few errors he made, one of which resulted in a person being maimed for life.
While alcohol is no better, there are tell tale signs of usage.
I don't drink nor get high, I have better things to use brain cells on.
The biggest problem is abuse, plain and simple.
What a person does in their own home is their biz but when they threaten my safety and well being, someone has to lose and my aim is to win in such a situation regardless.
Many folks claim "I know what I can or can't do when stoned". Invariably, someone has to die or be maimed for the user to come for a reality check.

Personally, the laws should be as so:
Any person who endangers the life of others due to substance abuse (any substance) should be held for "assult with a deadly weapon". That weapon being their vehicle,
any part of their job duties or simply them disturbing the "safety" of others.
This also would apply to vehicle accidents where the operator was "impared" under ANY substance. An accident resulting in death of another should be considered "manslaughter in the first".

[DDeRek]

Drugs, shmugs. Everybody uses drugs of one kind or another. America is the biggest user of chemical substances on the planet, and that's because people here want and can afford them. Yes, if you have so little control over yourself and respect for others that you hurt people, you should be punished, but this has nothing to do with drugs. It has to do with the attitude of the individual. I have never had a DUI. Do you know why? Because I don't drink and drive! Someone mentioned that they wasted a major portion of their life because of drugs. I say BS. I wasted the last 10 years of my life, but it wasn't because of drugs, although they were a part of that life. It was just bad choices. But that's part of life. The freedom to make your own choices. And guess what. I smoked cigarettes first. Would that be a gateway drug? Hmm. As for the the doomsayers who cite statistics on brain damage, how do you know the participants in the studies weren't stupid in the first place? All I know is after 10 years of "burning brain cells", I'm making 4.0 GPA in one of the most complicated fields of study short of an MD. Genetic damage? Sorry, the facts just don't match the stats. And health risks? Sure, but it's a health risk to walk out side your front door, too. Ya gonna make a law against that? I noticed the brevity of the response made by the attorney earlier. I guess he's satisfied with the status quo, you know why? Cause he's making money with the criminalization laws, and that's what it comes down to. The big wheels are making more money with it criminalized. Launder the money, then lock 'em up and make more money off 'em. I am in no way recommending illegal actions. You can't fight city hall. Trust me, I tried.

[KronoLeginaire]

I chew gum in my spare time.

[freptide]

Why would you talk about smoking the stuff when its illegal? How smart is that?



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