Wow, our lawmakers are hard at work keeping this nation great

[Paul Victorey]

http://www.mycfnow.com/sh/dating/sto...17-100519.html

They pass laws as to WHAT YOU CAN NAME CHILDREN? That is the stupidest thing I've heard in a long time.

<sarcasm>Glad to see American tax dollars are going to pay people to think up, draft, and vote on laws like this. I know *I* feel safer knowing that children won't (gasp) be taking their mother's maiden name.</sarcasm>

[morriswindgate]

When will people in this country wake up to the fact that lawmakers are selling out to all sorts of socialist groups who want to take over this country and rewrite the constitution. It was said a longtime ago that the only people who still think communism was a workable form of government are in this country.

[Werewolfdaddy]

Very well said, morriswindgate.
If you saw it on the page, it gives you the right to vote whether the government should have the right to decide such a thing or not. Most said not, but 11% of the people that voted said that the government should be able to decide. What a load!!!
This is not a socialist society. This is a republic. Each of us,everyone, is responsible for taking care of his/her own. The government is supposed to answer to us, not the other way around.
Our forefathers fought hard and many paid the ultimate price for our liberty. Now, so many of us eagerly give up those liberties for a false sense of security. The soldiers that paid a blood debt so that we may be free deserve better than that. It's an insult to those soldiers' sacrifice and ultimately, these people prove themselves unworthy of the freedom that they enjoy.

[Carl Price]

Wait a minute fellers, we are talking about last names here. Nobody has anything to say about their first name. My thoughts on this subject

Paul, Wait till you get married and have children. Are they Victoreys or are they something else? I'll bet, your parents will have a lot to say if they aren't. Also if this child does not have your last name, what will you name your subsequent issue. Suspose you remarry and have children by a subsequent wife. Are they Victoreys? I can see a lot of little Prices with names like Hutchinson (my first wife) Whitaker (my second wife) Saylor (my third wife) and Blanchard (my current wife). I see nothing there to hold the family unit together

Werewolfdaddy, it is not a liberty to be given up. From time immemorial children have had their father's last name. How else are families perpetuated. Please rethink your position.

MorrisWingate, This law probably predates Communism (although I am not sure of it). I really see no freedom being communized here.

[Werewolfdaddy]

My personal position is that out of tradition I would want my child to have my last name, but that is just me. While I like the idea that my child(if I ever have one) will have my last name, I must admit that the ol' tradition is based on chauvinistic customs that made women servile to men and that really don't apply here in the US. Women are now our political equals in this country and enjoy the same rights that we do. By her rights, the woman in the suit has the same right for her child to carry her name as her husband. What makes this country great is that our citizens have the right to be different. If a couple wants their child to have her maiden name, who are we to decide that they legally can't do that. Anyway, it's all moot; if they lost the battle they could still win the war. There is no law that says you can't change your name; matter of fact you can, but for a fee. Parents can do this for their children too. My mother wanted to do it for us when she divorced my father, but she let my brother and me decide.

As far as having children with different names, women have long endured that as they marry, re-marry and marry again. I have a friend with sisters from 3 different step fathers; every child has a different last name. What holds a family together is LOVE; nothing else is important. If you have that, you will overcome all obstacles.

[doctorgonzo]

Originally posted by morriswindgate When will people in this country wake up to the fact that lawmakers are selling out to all sorts of socialist groups who want to take over this country and rewrite the constitution. It was said a longtime ago that the only people who still think communism was a workable form of government are in this country.

Just a wee bit of exaggeration there. I think there are people on both sides who are only too willing to write laws to force their beliefs on everybody.

In Minnesota, it was Republicans who led the charge to pass a bill requiring all students to recite the Pledge of Allegiance. It is Republicans who are trying to put into school curricula that marriage and monogamy are "expected." Expected by whom? A conservative nanny state, perhaps.

Sure, the name thing in D.C. is silly. But it is just as bad to force people to say the Pledge of Allegiance if they don't believe in it: not only do scary agnostics like me have a problem with saying "under God," but so do conservatives who truly believe in the First Commandment and cannot morally pledge allegiance to a piece of cloth (false idol). And since when is it the purpose of school to tell kids what is morally "expected" of them? Isn't that what churches and parents are for? Finally, I find great irony in the fact that Republicans are usually against top-down mandates and always want local control; that is, unless the mandate is in line with their conservative beliefs.

Our country is selling out to socialists? Wow. Take a look around. Does it seem like the socialists are in charge? Hmm, gays are still discriminated against in the military and elsewhere, a woman's right to choose is in jeopardy, more and more people are losing their health insurance, the minimum wage isn't going anywhere, "abstinence only" non-education is being funded by the feds, and we are pulling out of treaties like the Kyoto protocol and the International court left and right. Gee, it really looks like this place is becoming a Red paradise, doesn't it?

[SARGE]

There really are times when I'm speechless, but not often.

[Kubie]

Yeah, Sarge. Me too.

Carl

[Xayd]

Originally posted by morriswindgate When will people in this country wake up to the fact that lawmakers are selling out to all sorts of socialist groups who want to take over this country and rewrite the constitution. It was said a longtime ago that the only people who still think communism was a workable form of government are in this country.

Selling out to socialist types is a farily recent thing. They sold out to corporate types years ago .

Again, internet access is the best example.

10mbps/10mbps in Sweden = 40 dollars a month
768kbps/128kbps in USA = 50 dollars a month

The single biggest determining factor in each new non-social-related law is "does this profit AT&T/Sprint/GM/Tort Lawyers/Unions/etc." depending on what the law is about.

When you eliminate private contribution to campaigns and make cash offerings to a politician a crime punishable by imprisonment, you eliminate the root of the problem.

[DFastLane]

I wouldn't say I'm speechless as much as biting my tongue...

[jamesrpm]

Of course that is from the city that gave us Marion Berry for a mayor.

http://www.webwombat.com.au/entertai...iles/barry.htm