Intel releases 3.06GHz, and a Gates story

[Mr N8]

Intel releases 3.06GHz processor

Gates is welcomed to India

[juppy]

If I got off a plane and was greeted by a giant condom like that, I would probably take it as a putdown, thinking they were calling me something else!

[sam21]

Whoa!now that's fast...
how fast will AMD's Hammer will be when they come out?

[ryanatalie]

They are looking at 3200+

[Byte 2.0]

so in about a year we should have 4500 plus?

WE have to be getting close to some limit with out a major new architecture and system redesign? I believe the days of single OS systems are serverly numbered. I think Win XP HOME is the Last MS OS that only supports a single processor.

I could be wrong, but I beleive WIN XP HOME only supports a single processor, while XP PRO supports dual processors.

I just believe We are reaching a limit in what a single processor can do. The next step is going to be in effiently using multiply processors I think. But Limits are meant to be challenged. Someone will always be finding a new way to advance.

[Ryan2318]

Originally posted by byte so in about a year we should have 4500 plus? WE have to be getting close to some limit with out a major new architecture and system redesign? I believe the days of single OS systems are serverly numbered. I think Win XP HOME is the Last MS OS that only supports a single processor. I could be wrong, but I beleive WIN XP HOME only supports a single processor, while XP PRO supports dual processors. I just believe We are reaching a limit in what a single processor can do. The next step is going to be in effiently using multiply processors I think. But Limits are meant to be challenged. Someone will always be finding a new way to advance.

umm.. have you heard of the cell for the ps3? Anyway you prolly heard but sony's been working with a lot of people on this and around 2006 or so they'll have a 50ghz Anyway they'll also put it into computers etc, but it'll suppourt linux only, but I'll do linux for that kind of power...

you can look the thing up if you want, but don't believe everything you hear cause there is a lot of idiots out there saying junk like 200ghz gpu, 2gigs of ram etc etc and none has been confirmed by sony. Only thing sony said was that its working with ibm and others and the thing will be 50ghz. also it'll do 1 or 2 teraflops

[ryanatalie]

The P4 will reach ~10Ghz

[ryanatalie]

Originally posted by byte I believe the days of single OS systems are serverly numbered.

I don't think this is true. Many people like to experiment with different OS's without having to own multiple computers.

Originally posted by byte I think Win XP HOME is the Last MS OS that only supports a single processor.

I think Longhorn will support single processors.

Originally posted by byte I just believe We are reaching a limit in what a single processor can do. The next step is going to be in effiently using multiply processors I think.

If multiple processors do become the future they will be cut from one die. Meaining two chips in one. It would be more efficient to figure out a way of making the gates three dimensional. Stacking gate upon gate.

[Paul Victorey]

Almost every chip is now 3D, the CPUs have a lot of layers, but the flat shape is because you need a large surface area to volume ratio to dissipate heat. If you add more layers, you create heat problems.

[ryanatalie]

Originally posted by Paul Victorey Almost every chip is now 3D, the CPUs have a lot of layers, but the flat shape is because you need a large surface area to volume ratio to dissipate heat. If you add more layers, you create heat problems.

I was referring to stacking transistors (3D). Packing more transistors into the same die space. Also, using more gates per transistor. Todays chips have a single layer of transistors (2D) with only one gate.

[Byte 2.0]

opps let me rephase what i meant here

I believe the days of single OS systems are serverly numbered.

I believe the days of OS that can not support multiple processors are limited.

Also

I think Win XP HOME is the Last MS OS that only supports a single processor.

I think that is the last OS from MS or any major company that won't be ready off the shelf for muiltiple Processors.

sorry, when I come home from work, my mind is not all here.

[HAL9000]

Something to keep in mind. With Hyper-threading, yes, the BIOS sees the new P4 as a dual CPU, but you do not need Windows XP Pro which supports dual CPU's for it to work. Windows XP Home does support Hyper-threading.

[Tuf]

I think that it may turn out to be a significant advantage but I have read where with most current software it is actually slower with the hyperthreading enabled. But I am still intrigued.

[Demosthenes]

The current photolithography process used in fabrication is an expensive one. If you notice the trends, process size has gotten smaller, but more logarithmically than linearly. Indeed, the shift to .13 micron was expensive. The actual creation of the processor is not too expensive, but the creation of the masks are horribly expensive from my understanding. While it is entirely possible to shrink smaller, I doubt there will be more than one or two future die shrinks, unless, of course, a more economical way is devised.

Neither do I think the key lies in multiprocessing. The algorithms are much more difficult (at least to me, but I know a few who are better at parallel than sequential algorithms oddly enough) and not all processes lend themselves to parallel processing. In fact, many algorithms achieve no benefit from parallelism.

I could never confirm this story, but I would not discard it: The man who created Deep Blue (whose name escapes me) did previous work on parallelism. The board almost did not give him his doctorate because they could not understand his work. They knew it worked, they knew it worked extremely well, but they could not figure out why.

Respectfully,

Demosthenes

[ryanatalie]

Originally posted by Demosthenes The current photolithography process used in fabrication is an expensive one. ... The actual creation of the processor is not too expensive, but the creation of the masks are horribly expensive from my understanding. ....

Photo is about 30% of the overall cost of the chip. Masks are no longer used.

It seems like I am always doing many things at once. When I'm on the computer I'm usually checking the forums, writing emails, and video encoding all at the same time. Multitasking will benefit greatly from parallel processing.

[Demosthenes]

I must be behind the times.
What do they do now?