Finally!!!!!!

[Kubie]

Well here I am again pattin' my self on the back.

My young son graduated from the McGeorge School of Law yesterday. He is 26 years old and been goin' to school for 21 of them.

Now for the bar exam at the end of July.

Sure has been a long haul.

Carl

[SARGE]

Carl, congratulations. Wish I had a lawyer in the family. Be careful at Sunday dinners telling lawyer jokes, or the ear may get thumped again.

[Kubie]

Hi Sarge,
He married a lawyer so I've got two in the family.

Like LawyerRon, he likes lawyer jokes.

Carl

[SARGE]

Originally posted by Kubie Hi Sarge, He married a lawyer so I've got two in the family. Carl

That should make interesting Sunday dinners. One of my docs (a lung specialist) is married to an allergist and both of their parents are docs as well. He said at dinner, conversation always ends up on med stuff, even dissections, despite they always say nothing med-wise will be discussed.

[SARGE]

bookmark this for future reference. Some funnies:

http://www.duhaime.org/Law_fun/dumb.htm

"Do you recall approximately the time that you examined the body of Mr. Brown?
It was in the evening. The autopsy started about 8:30 p.m.
And Mr. Brown was dead at the time, is that correct?
No. He was sitting on the table wondering why I was doing an autopsy! "

[Propain]

Kubie since hes done his schoolling . Maybe youll become Fully retired ?

[juppy]

Hey Carl! Congrats on your son graduating, that's great!

[dldz]

Congratulations Carl

[Blakhart]

cong rats kubster.

[avx]

Thats great to hear Carl

Im sure he will do fine on the Bar exam, if hes made it this far hes not likely to stumble now.

Best wishes to you and yours.

[mbossman2]

congrats to you and your boy, carl.

[LawyerRon]

Congratulations Carl,
Your son has pulled off quite an accomplishment and you should be very proud. I'm sure I don't have to remind him that the 3-Day California Bar Exam is the toughest in the nation. I'm sure he'll take a bar review course to prepare. A big part of passing the bar is handling the pressure. He's already heard all the horror stories so I don't need to add anything more.

[Force Flow]

That's great! Congrats, Carl!

It must feel great to finally finish with school

[Propain]

lol If he wasnt stressed yet I'm sure he is now Thanks to LawyerRon ehehe. I guess its not like writing a CFQ for plumbing. I went in hungover and wrote my final in 30 minutes lol. gave me a 4 dollar raise too

[Kubie]

Ron,
He starts the bar review course Monday. Since his wife has already gone through it, her help will be invaluable.

I want to thank all of you for the kind words. I know there are some here whose son or daughter has accomplished something in their lives that made you just as proud.
Its a good feeling, isn't it?

Carl

[sleepypost]

Is McGeorge law school with a university? Also, tell him good luck on the exam. I know at Cal the bar exam is the biggie part of the whole process.

[Kubie]

sleepypost,

McGeorge is part of University of Pacific.

Carl

[TimPoet]

Congratulations, Carl

[pam123]

Best wishes for your son Carl.

[Redo40]

Congrats Carl and the best of luck to your son on the Bar!

[Iman74]

Originally posted by LawyerRon Congratulations Carl, Your son has pulled off quite an accomplishment and you should be very proud. I'm sure I don't have to remind him that the 3-Day California Bar Exam is the toughest in the nation. I'm sure he'll take a bar review course to prepare. A big part of passing the bar is handling the pressure. He's already heard all the horror stories so I don't need to add anything more.

Not interested in being a lawyer but I am really curious what is that test like?

P.S.

Congrats

[LawyerRon]

Well, if you really want to know….

It’s a 3-day exam, 6 hours per day. You have 3 hours in the morning, a break for lunch, then 3 more hours in the afternoon. You’re responsible for 14 areas of law; contracts, torts, real property, criminal law, civil procedure, criminal procedure, constitutional law, evidence, corporations, wills, trusts, and so on.

The test consist of (6) one-hour essay questions where you will be called upon to analyze a lengthy “fact pattern” spot all the “legal issues” then bring the correct rules of law to bear on the problem; how you conclude is irrelevant. But it takes place under incredible time pressure.

Next you get (2) 3-hour written “performance exams” where you are given a very lengthy fact pattern or assignment; maybe 10 pages or more long, a “library” that contains maybe 10-15 cases you can use to resolve the problem. You might spend 1.5 to 2 hours just analizing and outlining the problem, then maybe 1 solid hour of writing as fast as you can. Again, the time pressure is crushing. To me, this was the toughest part of the exam.

Finally they give you 200 extremely difficult multiple-choice questions. 100 questions in the morning and 100 in the afternoon. Each question involves a very lengthy paragraph, followed by 4 possible choices. The questions (fact patterns) are unbelievably tricky. This area is where they test your knowledge of every element of the law. Most people who fail the Bar exam, fail this section. You must do well here to pass. It’s probably the toughest area of the Bar for most people. Again, the time pressure is very great.

So in summary, you’ve really gotta be hitting on all 8 cylinders when you tackle this baby and a large part of your success will be determined by how well you handle the incredible pressure. Choke for just an instant, and you’re history.

[Cricket]

Congrats Kubie!

Cricket

[Iman74]

Wow, I didn't realized it was that involved. With times changing, has their approach changed on the bar exams at all? For instance with the use of computers, are you still now forced to write or can you use computers?

[brassman]

Congratulations to you and your son, Kubie. Wishing him the best on his bar exam.

[LawyerRon]

"With times changing, has their approach changed on the bar exams at all? For instance with the use of computers, are you still now forced to write or can you use computers?"

Nope, the Bar Exam hasn't changed any that I'm aware of since I took it in '96. The last major change was was about 10 years or so ago with the introduction of the 2) 3-hour performance exams I mentioned above.

You can type if you want, but no computers are allowed. Typing is not worth it in my opinion because you're responsible for any mechanical problems; if your typewriter goes south, so do you. Most just use a good old fashion "pen".

[avx]

I can say with a good amount of a confidence that I would BOMB THAT TEST SOOOOO BAD!...LoL

I have always thought of legal representation as a very cool job, I love to argue, over the stupidest things, or some really important one...but if I had to take that test...first, I would be so stressed that I wouldnt even sleep for the 2 nights leading up too it. I would surely get a defunct pen that would give out on me. I would puke at lunch, and get a massive headache.

I work great under pressure in a physical job, but when it comes to tests...I bomb so bad...

[Kubie]

WHAT!!!! No computers??

Heck Ron, I bought him a new Toshiba laptop, signed him up to PC Mechanic and told him to keep you on line in case it gets tough.

Carl

[avx]

I thought his better half was supposed to save him when things got rough

[Kubie]

avx,

I thought so too, but she is teaching a summer class at Univ. of Cal at Sacramento.

Carl