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The Video Card Buyer's Guide!
For those who are mesmorized and bamboozled by all those big, juicy video cards (aka graphics cards)
Alright first off there are basically two big name companys making worthwhile and mindblowing cards.ATI and nVIDIA, both are good.(Matrox is great for buisness) First, ask yourself...Am I a gamer or a buisness rep or something of those sorts. Gamers: You want to play all the newest games, or are you fine with the older games? If you want to play the newest games such as Doom 3,Half-Life 2, or Halo that require high-performing cards. Buisness: You usually don't need the best card out there(unless your a game developing company  ) You should be fine with some of the older cards out there..------- Bit, mb? What? Gamers want those top cards usually, but you may not know how to tell the difference. Heres a quick help guide: Bit: If you plan on playing newer games, you must get atleast a 128 bit card to run games at max settings(Not always gonna happen) The best out right now is a 256 bit. Memory: Doesn't make as much difference as the bit does, but still requires some thought. NOTE: This memory is memory onboard the card, not the memory that rests in the sockets in your motherboard. Buisness: 6 words: Don't Buy Top Of The Line  You wont need as I stated before a great graphics card, just a simple 32 or 64 bit will do  ---------- Series and Pros and Xts? The nVIDIA geforce FX series has not had a good rep, people were expecting a better series from the almighty N. The new 6 series featuring the 6800, 6800GT (better and smaller), and the 6800 ultra are expensive but for good reason....they are this generations top gaming cards out today. ATI differs a good bit, they don't really use series but more like seperate generations in a weird way. Most casual to frequent gamers will be fine with a cheap but quality 9200....among the most popular is the 9800pro....used to be the best out there, and is still a good contender! The new cards from ATI is the x800 pro, x800 XT, and the x800 XT Platinum Edition I beleive. --------------- Third Party companys Alot of third party companys make quality cards here are some of the most popular: nVIDIA Chaintech eVGA Asus PNY ATI: Sapphire Hercules Powercolor Abit ------------------- Bottlenecks Make sure your graphics card can run at it's full potential, you dont want a $400 card to play like a $50 card. Get a quality and high ghz processer from AMD or Intel...... ----------------- RAM Gamers, your computer will need atleast 256mb ram to play some older games, and will need 512 to play the newer games. I and many others recommend 1024, but it's your decision! Buisness: Use either 256mb or about 320mb.....unless your running big computer-heavy programs like CAD or something, stick with a lower amount. RAM good and bad list: Good for overclocking: Crucial Kingston HyperX Corsair Geil OCZ Great for Buisness: Corsair Kingston ValueRAM Crucial Unproven: Simpletech Rosewill and any more that's not on the above list -------------------------------------- AGP or PCI-e Am I going on a budget or wanting to get into the future? If your on a budgut then get a AGP slot video card, but if your going with the future, get a PCI-Express card such as the ATI x800 XT Platinum Edition. NOTE: Make sure your motherboard is compatible with your video card! That Concludes the VCBG! Comments Appreciated !Good Luck everyone! 
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07-19-2004, 09:50 PM
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Good in depth guide. I'm not quite sure about the quality of the eVGA cards on nVidia - they have a shaky reputation, though I'm not completely sure. Also, the X800 XT will NOT be released for AGP8X, but for a PCI-Express solution. The X800 Pro, therefore, will only be released in the AGP8X solution.
You might want to distinguish onboard memory from real memory too - onboard memory is the memory utilized by only the GPU, and the real memory rests in DIMM sockets . You forgot Matrox - generally the best business user's card .Besides that, looks great - nice guide, thanks for the post .kram
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07-19-2004, 09:57 PM
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eVGA are supposed to be very good quality, I am ordering the 6800 non ultra non gt for my new build
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07-19-2004, 10:02 PM
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http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...131-408&depa=0 8X AGP PowerColor X800XT, which will be the last AGP card produced...as in last new chipset. |
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07-19-2004, 10:17 PM
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07-19-2004, 10:41 PM
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Yeah it was my understanding that they were going to release the X800 Series (Pro and XT) in both PCI-E and AGP, and from then on go full PCI-E. At least that is what I read somewhere, but we know about how people read things...lol...
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07-20-2004, 12:19 AM
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This is a pretty helpful thread. Thank you.
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07-20-2004, 12:51 AM
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That's a nice guide. I will say, however, that Asus makes excellent cards. I have yet to see a product made by Asus that isn't quality.
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07-20-2004, 01:06 AM
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Abit cards are also on nVidia's good manufacturer list.
As for supporting system specs, 512MB of RAM or higher is optimal for gaming.
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07-20-2004, 01:23 AM
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07-20-2004, 09:26 AM
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1.5 is done:)
Added some stuff, whoa that was a long guide....
Anyway what does everyone think of version 1.5?!
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07-20-2004, 09:43 AM
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Anyone know if the x800pro will come out in PCI-Express? Also, does anyone know how good the x600xt is? There is nothing on Tom's, which is a first. If the X800Pro is coming out in PCI-E then I'll wait...
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07-20-2004, 09:44 AM
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very good information, should answer a lot of questions that are ask over and over. cloeared up some questions that i had.
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07-20-2004, 09:58 AM
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Raft, it's good to help......maybe this will get stickied Force Flow *hint* *hint*
LOL Fedz: I don't think the x800pro will be PCI-E And there is no such thing as the x600XT, I believe you are thinking of the Radeon 9600XT, and yes it is still good for the price and will be able to run most newer games |
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07-20-2004, 10:03 AM
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Oh Fedz, I didn't hear about that, well it seems that it equals about a 9600pro, so if you could i would go with the 9600XT
OR....If you have a few more bucks to spare I think it would be best to get a 9800pro
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07-20-2004, 11:40 AM
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See here about x800 XT: http://forum.pcmech.com/showthread.php?t=104372
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07-20-2004, 01:15 PM
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07-20-2004, 01:38 PM
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I would like to see a review of all these cards, and some of the other older models like the 9800XT, Pro, 9600XT, Pro and such, just to see the performance gain of the new cards.
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07-20-2004, 01:47 PM
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Hey great guide!
Maybe it would be good to throw something in about pipes and overclocking? Crucial and Albatron also make good vid cards from what Ive heard. 128-bit and 256-bit cards......that means the cards memory has a bandwidth of 128 or 256 bits right?
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07-20-2004, 02:57 PM
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Noc, you are correct on the bits
I will edit it to include pipelines in one minute
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07-20-2004, 03:08 PM
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AHH! i ran out of edits
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07-20-2004, 03:14 PM
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BFG and XFX are also companies on nVidia's list.
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07-20-2004, 03:18 PM
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Nevermind, heres version 2.0! Changes are in Red
----------------------------------------------------------------------------- THE GRAPHICS CARD BUYER'S GUIDE 2.0! For those who are mesmorized and bamboozled by all those big, juicy video cards (aka graphics cards) Alright first off there are basically two big name companys making worthwhile and mindblowing cards.ATI and nVIDIA, both are good.(Matrox is great for buisness) First, ask yourself...Am I a gamer or a buisness rep or something of those sorts. Gamers: You want to play all the newest games, or are you fine with the older games? If you want to play the newest games such as Doom 3,Half-Life 2, or Halo that require high-performing cards. Buisness: You usually don't need the best card out there(unless your a game developing company) You should be fine with some of the older cards out there.. ------- Bit, mb? What? Gamers want those top cards usually, but you may not know how to tell the difference. Heres a quick help guide: Bit: If you plan on playing newer games, you must get atleast a 128 bit card to run games at max settings(Not always gonna happen) The best out right now is a 256 bit. Memory: Doesn't make as much difference as the bit does, but still requires some thought. NOTE: This memory is memory onboard the card, not the memory that rests in the sockets in your motherboard. Buisness: 6 words: Don't Buy Top Of The Line You wont need as I stated before a great graphics card, just a simple 32 or 64 bit will do ---------- Series and Pros and Xts? The nVIDIA geforce FX series has not had a good rep, people were expecting a better series from the almighty N. The new 6 series featuring the 6800, 6800GT (better and smaller), and the 6800 ultra are expensive but for good reason....they are this generations top gaming cards out today. ATI differs a good bit, they don't really use series but more like seperate generations in a weird way. Most casual to frequent gamers will be fine with a cheap but quality 9200....among the most popular is the 9800pro....used to be the best out there, and is still a good contender! The new cards from ATI is the x800 pro, x800 XT, and the x800 XT Platinum Edition I beleive. --------------- Third Party companys Alot of third party companys make quality cards here are some of the most popular: nVIDIA Chaintech eVGA Asus PNY ATI: Sapphire Hercules Powercolor Abit ------------------- Bottlenecks Make sure your graphics card can run at it's full potential, you dont want a $400 card to play like a $50 card. Get a quality and high ghz processer from AMD or Intel...... ----------------- RAM Gamers, your computer will need atleast 256mb ram to play some older games, and will need 512 to play the newer games. I and many others recommend 1024, but it's your decision! Buisness: Use either 256mb or about 320mb.....unless your running big computer-heavy programs like CAD or something, stick with a lower amount. RAM good and bad list: Good for overclocking: Crucial Kingston HyperX Corsair Geil OCZ Great for Buisness: Corsair Kingston ValueRAM Crucial Unproven: Simpletech Rosewill and any more that's not on the above list -------------------------------------- AGP or PCI-e Am I going on a budget or wanting to get into the future? If your on a budgut then get a AGP slot video card, but if your going with the future, get a PCI-Express card such as the ATI x800 XT Platinum Edition. NOTE: Make sure your motherboard is compatible with your video card! ----------------------- Pipelines Pipelines increase quality by quite a bit, and it will make the client very happy! Gamers need the 12 pipelines atleast for the newer games Buisness, it can be almost anything there! Just remember, more pipelines doesn't always mean better graphics! That Concludes the VCBG! Comments Appreciated! Good Luck everyone!
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07-20-2004, 03:41 PM
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Actually, beg to differ on the pipelines. Most cards out there only have 4 rendering pipelines, and play games fine - the Radeon 9600s are 4 pipes, but the Radeon 9500 Pro and above have the 8 pipeline structure. It's necessary to have at least four pipelines, not 12 - haven't seen them until the release of the Radeon X800 Pro!
Be sure to point out that the XT series on the FX cards aren't real XTs...that's kinda confusing. Nice guide though - again, thanks for the post - I've been meaning to post something like this, haven't gotten around to it .kram |
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07-20-2004, 04:49 PM
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Great work 8raker. Lots of good information.
One thing I noticed is that you added some text in a yellow green color, do you think you could change that to an easier to read color? Because not all members have perfect eyesight, and it's a lot of strain on the eyes to try to read such a light color on a fairly light background. |
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07-20-2004, 05:11 PM
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Sure thing bigandy!
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07-20-2004, 11:41 PM
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It's been a while since I have seen a good post on graphics cards today.
Great job 8raker!!! |
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07-21-2004, 08:30 AM
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The 9600 series has 4 rendering pipelines. The 9500, 9700, 9800 series has 8 pipelines. This is also why the 9500 pro could be softmodded to a 9700, get a great overclock, and performed better than the 9600 pro. The x800 has 16 parallel pixel pipelines. The pipelines allow for more rendering effects to be sent per clock cycle is my understanding. Basically the more pipes the better from what I can find, as cards with more pipes give better performance.
Heres some info on how the pipelines work: http://www.ati.com/developer/sdk/RAD...fo/Design.html |
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07-21-2004, 08:55 PM
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Your comment:
you must get at least a 128 bit card to run games at max settings(Not always gonna happen) The best out right now is a 256 bit. I'm looking for a used 9800 card. I know that the card is available in both 128 and 256 bit. How can I tell which card has the 256 bit? There are many cards out there without any documentation, no box, no manual etc, even some OEM cards come only with an antistatic bag. Is there a quick way to ID the card? Bugnut
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