ati x800 pro

[Hikaru IchijoSL]

Is there a pci express version.

[mrmister1]

I don't believe there is a PCI-Express version out for the x800 pro. They are coming out with the same card, in PCI-Express, but it will be the x880 series.

[RJ]

All new ATI cards come as PCI-e (X300, X600 and X800).

RJ

[shadowbreaker513]

and don't get an x800 pro. go for the 6800GT, it's a far superior card

[kram 2.0]

Originally Posted by shadowbreaker513 and don't get an x800 pro. go for the 6800GT, it's a far superior card

No. Both of them perform about the same - if you're talking benchmarks. Benchmarks don't play games - you do. The PCI-E version of the X800 Pro will be out in the near future.

kram

[Yuanji]

i've already seen x800 Pro PCIE version out on certain prebuilt comps specs in PC magazine. i'm supposing that this will show that the PCIE will be availible for the general consumer soon.

[AgentVX]

Originally Posted by kram8806 No. Both of them perform about the same - if you're talking benchmarks. Benchmarks don't play games - you do. The PCI-E version of the X800 Pro will be out in the near future. kram

Agreed, but then again the 6800GT is a bit cheaper than the X800 Pro, so that is sometimes taken into consideration as well.

[daveyp225]

Originally Posted by shadowbreaker513 and don't get an x800 pro. go for the 6800GT, it's a far superior card

What are you smoking? Spec wise, they are very close. Performance wise.. well.. let http://www.futuremark.com do all the talking. There isn't one 6800 Ultra score that comes close to the scores of the x800xt.

Dave

[AgentVX]

Originally Posted by daveyp225 What are you smoking? Spec wise, they are very close. Performance wise.. well.. let http://www.futuremark.com do all the talking. There isn't one 6800 Ultra score that comes close to the scores of the x800xt. Dave

True, at the moment ATI is owning Nvidias in terms of 3DMark05 scores. However, do you actually play 3DMark? What matters more is the frame rates in games; in this aspect the 6800GT usually has the edge over the X800 Pro, and the Ultra is more-or-less on par with the X800XT.

[fedz]

For me, it's the Nvidia cards this round. They have NUMEROUS advantages over the ATi cards which will help them pull ahead in future games. Not to forget SLi...

fedz

[daveyp225]

Does or will ATI ever support SLI? My guess is not, but maybe I am wrong? No matter..

The x800xt has already outperformed 2 6800 ultras in an SLI configuration by over 1000 3dmarks (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=18801). I'm sure if the 6800s were pushed harder they would beat the single x800xt, but the numbers probably won't go much further than they have already. On top of all this, the x800 consumes less power than the 6800. Granted these are not "real world" tests, and I do not have the experience to say first hand which card/configuration is ultimately better, but I see more promise in the x800 series (especailly if ATI goes the road of a similar SLI compatible interface). SLI is just too expensive, and seems to be only a temporary solution before the next breakthrough.

Honestly, I am not biased in any way, I just stick with ATI for the AIW cards .

EDIT: What NUMEROUS advantages does the 6800 have over the x800?


Dave

[kram 2.0]

Guys, as much as I like to side with the real performer (X800 XT), I think this is becoming a "ATI vs. nVidia" war rather than a thread intended to answer the question concerning the X800 Pro. Yes, the GeForce 6800 U have SLI, but it takes a massive amount of energy for sure (two cards more than one...got power?) and that the X800 XT in single mode performs very well with relatively low power consumption. ON the other hand, nVidia does have SmartShader 3.0 under their belts, but to what use? SmartShader HD that ATI has developed is good enough IMO. Also, here:BENCHMARKS don't play games...YOU do

kram

[daveyp225]

I do not think this is becomming an Nvidia vs. ATI thread (As I previously stated I am not biased), but rather an x800 vs 6800 thread, and so far it has been informative for everyone to read. I do agree that it has gone a little off topic.

BENCHMARKS do not play games, but then why do people benchmark? Is it to see how it will perform when they are actually playing a game? Just because some of the things in the current benchmark software are utilizing things that the majority of the games will not does not make benchmarking an inaccurate reference for playing real games. For some games it will be a little more inaccurate than others, but generally what these benchmarks are made for is determining a GENERAL performance level, telling you how your computer will perform while playing real games. Again, I do not have any first-hand experience with these cards so I cannot say which is better in the "real world" but I have always found 3dmark products adequate benchmarkers.

Nvidia's 6800 card may very well outperform ATI's (again I wouldn't know) in the current games.. But as games become more complex to the level of what 3dmark05 throws at us, I believe we will see the limits of the cards as they are now shown in the ORB database at futuremark.com, where the x800 is currently the winner. Notice I said CURRENTLY.

Dave

[imbest123]

Originally Posted by daveyp225 Does or will ATI ever support SLI? My guess is not, but maybe I am wrong? No matter.. The x800xt has already outperformed 2 6800 ultras in an SLI configuration by over 1000 3dmarks (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=18801). I'm sure if the 6800s were pushed harder they would beat the single x800xt, but the numbers probably won't go much further than they have already. On top of all this, the x800 consumes less power than the 6800. Granted these are not "real world" tests, and I do not have the experience to say first hand which card/configuration is ultimately better, but I see more promise in the x800 series (especailly if ATI goes the road of a similar SLI compatible interface). SLI is just too expensive, and seems to be only a temporary solution before the next breakthrough. Honestly, I am not biased in any way, I just stick with ATI for the AIW cards . EDIT: What NUMEROUS advantages does the 6800 have over the x800? Dave

That X800 was extremely overclocked vmodded to beat 2 6800's in SLI at stock.

[kram 2.0]

Benchmarks do give us a general reference of how the cards will perform...like the Radeon 9800 Pro is inarguably better than the Radeon 9600 SE. But what point would there be to have a machine tells us what the experiences are going to be in precise numbers...not from the point of the eye. The Radeon 9800 Pro performs more or less around the FX5950U yet, in real life through-the-eye view, ATI has a very distinct edge. That is to say that the FX5950 U also does cost far more than the 9800 Pro. I have found that no matter what score 3DMark2005 will give on my build (see signature), I will always know that it plays games at top notch and its 2D picture quality is one of the finest.

kram

[daveyp225]

Originally Posted by imbest123 That X800 was extremely overclocked vmodded to beat 2 6800's in SLI at stock.

That wasn't the point. The point was that one card beat two. Just for reference sakes and having no real relevance, take the AMD 3200+ and the P4 3.2GHZ. If these chips are as similar in performance as the 6800 is to the x800, then I should be able to say that an overclocked to hell p4 could beat TWO amd 3200+'s. In the real world that analogy doesn't work, and it is not true at all. BUT.. if it was, that means theoretically that the p4 is a better chip... at least in my head.

kram your sig only contains 3dmark2003 score. Did you overclock? I have the same GPU and CPU and got about 6600 (when my cpu was at 3.3ghz). I got about a 2900 in 3dmark05 with my cpu @ 3.4ghz.

Reguarding your comments about using precise numbers as measurement.. How else would they rate it? I would be extremely pissed off if I bought 3dmark05, waited for the long ass 3dFX scenarios (whatever you want to call them) and recieved a score of "Well lets see.. your computer would perform mediocrely.. Maybe.." or "Damn you computer sucks". I don't think theres much potential for a consumer base there.. On the other hand, it helps those "nerds" in HS build their ego by becoming the #1 3dmarker! lol.. sorry.. had to say it..

Dave

[OLLY89]

No The X800 Out Perfoms The 6800GT in Benchmarking But in Quality The 6800GT Out Perform's The X800 But Both of the Cards are good But GO NVIDIA 6800GT. Other wise Playing Games on HIGH No Problem with Both Cards But the 6800GTG is a better card overall to my Point of View.

[fedz]

Olly, it depends what benchie you look at :P
6800GT outperforms the X800pro, its direct competitor, and comes close to the X800XT. It is also very well priced and very overclockable, not to forget about its HUGE overclocking capabilities. As to that overclock, this idiot used dry ice. Now, if those two SLI'd Ultras were also overclocked that would be no contest. It's like saying that a P4 2.4GHz is better than an FX-55, just because you can get it beyond 4GHz and get it to outperform the AMD because of that overclock. To me, that overclock is complete bogus. If ATi had won this round, they wouldn't bother supporting these efforts. Truth is, guys, they've lost this time round. The next games, supporting PS3.0 and co. will be beyond the ATi cards.

fedz